Operator
Ladies and gentlemen, good day and welcome to Restaurant Brands Asia Q1 FY '27 Earnings Conference Call hosted by Motilal Oswal Financial Services Limited. This conference call may contain forward-looking statements about the company which are based on beliefs, opinions, and expectations of the company as on date of this call.
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I now hand over the conference to management. Thank you, and over to you.
Gaurav Ajjan
Thanks, Parie. Good evening, everyone.
Welcome to the conference call to discuss results for Q1 FY '27. I am Gaurav Ajjan, the Head of Corporate Development and Investor Relations.
As always, joining us today are Mr. Rajeev Varman, Whole-time Director and Group CEO; Mr.
Sumit Zaveri, Group CFO and Chief Business Officer; Mr. Kapil Grover, Group Chief Marketing Officer; and Mr.
Sandeep Dey, Brand President Indonesia. We will start the call with the presentation and after which we'll open out the floor for questions and answers.
With that, I'll hand over to Rajeev for his opening comments and a business update.
Rajeev Varman
Thank you, Gaurav. Thank you first of all for your interest and joining your time with this evening.
I know it's 5:30, it's probably time for you to get home. Thank you for joining the call.
I will give you a very quick, India overview as well as Indonesia overview, and then I'll hand it over to Sumit Zaveri who will go through the numbers with you guys. Now we have two businesses of course, and in two different countries.
Then we also have two brands that we operate. I'll just give you a little perspective.
Burger King India, we have 590 restaurants as of June. June 30th, Burger King Indonesia, we have 137 restaurants there, and Popeyes Indonesia, we have 25 stores.
Now if you look at the revenue perspective, we have 83% of our business is really Burger King India from revenue standpoint, 15% of our business is Burger King Indonesia, and then 2% of our business is Popeyes Indonesia. That's the make up of the revenue of our business.
Now quickly on the India Q1 highlights. Now Q1 has been a very, very, very exciting year exciting quarter for us.
Some very good results that we are proud of, that we thank our entire team that has worked very hard to kind of deliver those those results. The top line for us is again, 590 stores, which is 71 year-over-year growth, plus nine stores quarter-over-quarter growth, which gets us to 590.
Same-store sales growth was 12.6%. This is the highest we have done in the last 15 quarters.
In fact, highest that I can remember as far as we go back several years. Congratulations to the operations and marketing team for delivering such a high SSSG number.
Our ADS, average daily sales, for this quarter was ₹1,31,000 as well. Revenue, ₹682 crores, which is 23.6% higher year-over-year same quarter.
Gross margin, 70.8%, which is 3.1% over year-over-year and 0.6% quarter-over-quarter. A very good improvement in gross margin as well.
Restaurant-level EBITDA we delivered ₹90 crores, which is 68.1% over year-over-year. Our company EBITDA in India was ₹52.7 crores and that is 133.6% year-over-year.
Literally I'm looking at a green page, SSSG 12.5 12.6, looking at the revenues up 23.6, gross margin 70.8, restaurant-level EBITDA ₹90 crores, and company EBITDA ₹52.7 crores. Thanks to the entire team for an exciting quarter.
Now strategy-wise, we haven't changed anything. We stay steadfast on the strategy that we spoke about in the last several quarters.
I'll reiterate. We continue to be a QSR that leads in value leadership here in India, no different.
We continued our our pursuit in being that value leader with the 2 for X strategy, as you've seen us grow from Stunner and Tasty Meals at 99, 2 for X. Whatever the the strategy is, it will all be consistent with our value leadership in the country.
We continue that. On menu strengthening, we spend a lot of time because we have built a lot of traffic over the last several years.
We we we call this value strategy induction or introduction of new customers into our business. Then we started about last year to start strengthening our core menu, as well as our premium side, to be effective in terms of our product mix, which which saw this 12.6% kind of a growth number.
We launched BK Cafe, as in 2022. We continue to build those.
Now approximately, actually most of our restaurants, all if not all of them, have a cafe. Burger King Cafe continues to grow and we have long-term, strategy to make this a prominent part of our of our of our menu structure.
This year and this last quarter, we also launched some co-branded desserts and shakes, which have started to grow and part of the 12.6% that you see over there. The burger portfolio we launched, as premium range Korean, and now subsequently we have launched peri-peri, as you saw in July.
Both those promotions have been really, really good for for the company and has drawn a lot of traffic through those promotions. One of the other pillars that we have been working on is digital.
As you already know that, SOKs, self-ordering kiosks, BK App, 90%, 90% of our orders are digital. This is not only a good foundation for good management within the restaurant, but also you will see that we in in the future, this database that we are collecting through our digital means will become a foundation for the CRM program that we will be launching very soon.
That digital efforts continue here and I'll speak in a minute about what that means in Indonesia as well. Profitability-wise, same focus, laser focus.
Our capex spending is very disciplined. When we open restaurants, there's a disciplined process of outlaying that capex.
We open good, sites and good restaurants so that we continue to grow profitably. The profitability focus was threefold, right?
We continue to focus on menu, product mix, and gross margin. Gross margin is just not simply a result of increasing price.
It's also about a proper shift in product mix and making sure that the product mix that we deliver continues to grow our gross margin. We continue to work with vendors, continue to bring in new vendors.
That strategy continues. We continue to do that through our supply chain initiative.
As you know that we continue to do a cluster approach every time we build a market. That supply chain efforts continue in this in this quarter as well.
You you've seen a, improvement on our gross margin as well quarter-over-quarter. Initiative that that Sumit Zaveri, who will speak next, started a a few quarters ago was on the utilities front.
He worked very diligently with our teams here. We were able to, and we continue to drive efficiencies through utilities.
Whether it is in the installing of new equipment, we installed a new broiler that consumes half the energy of the old broiler, but we also started the solar farm initiative, which several of our restaurants now are covered under that, and we continue to grow that as well. We continue with that profitability focus.
It's not about just, building the top line, but it's a continuous effort to, bring efficiency within the top line and the bottom line, which the team continues to deliver on. Quick word on on Indonesia.
The Indonesia 137 Burger King restaurants delivered a ADS of 102, and I'm putting these in INR so that the people here can understand. So ₹1,02,000 ADS, revenues of total ₹124 crores, and restaurant-level EBITDA was ₹6.4 crores.
These Burger King restaurants, they're profitable at the restaurant level and they delivered a positive positive EBITDA. We are testing a lot of things and I'll talk to you in a minute on on where we are going with the Burger King business.
The Popeyes business was exactly where it was when I spoke to you last time. The 25 restaurants still continue to operate there with a ADS of 69,000.
Revenues over there were 15 ₹15.7 crores. We actually had a loss of ₹3 ₹3 crores over there.
Combined, losses in in EBITDA, restaurant-level EBITDA in Indonesia was ₹3.3 crores. Significant reductions that you've seen, all because of all our strategy that I'll discuss with you.
Now the value focus. Now we had a 25,000 King Deal program that we were running in Indonesia for the longest time, which was driving some traffic, but didn't get us the kind of leverage we required in terms of volume.
We are now testing and probably by the end of September should be in good shape to launch a new value strategy over there. I think that's very important for the Burger King business over there, and I'm talking about the Burger King business now.
That strategy, once we put that in place, it was one of the missing links that that that we needed to put in in Indonesia. Now when you look at the menu strategy, it's, we kind of went backwards in Indonesia compared to India, where we built a very strong premium and core menu ahead of the value strategy.
That menu is doing very well. I think we had a few limited-time options that we put out and they were all doing well in Indonesia.
We also had spent a lot of time in the last three years building a very strong chicken line. When I say chicken, it's bone-in chicken line, which has, climbed from what it used to be 30% of sales to about 50% of the sales in the Burger King business.
We continue to, stay true to that. We continue to provide, different options on that by dunking the BIC and and it becomes a good limited-time off offering to to to the businesses.
What we started to do, and I'm I'm saying just two quarters ago and more prominently last quarter, is to focus on our burger line. The reason we're doing that is our UNA our study that we did with the consumers in in Indonesia gave us a clear lead on Burger King as a burger brand.
Burgers, when you ask consumers over there, their first choice is Burger King. We started to promote, and our value strategy will include our efforts in bringing burgers into the value platform and and driving that business.
We also installed self-ordering kiosks for the first time in Indonesia, which has actually pushed our APC, average per check, up by about 4%, 5%. It is just we just installed them, we should see some progress on that as well as we move forward to unlock all the stuff that we have done here in India, but also to set the benchmark for CRM in future.
Our profitability focus in Indonesia continues in the same lines. Corporate overheads, as we we continue to reduce them and we bought them down by 25%.
We have done a done a very good job. I think we have kind of reached a point where we have optimized that.
We continued to optimize our portfolio there. We closed some restaurants that were non-profitable.
In all, in the last couple of years, we have we have reduced that portfolio by 42 to the 137 that we have. Then delivery profitability is something that we started a few a few quarters ago.
Now we are doing almost the same sales we were doing before, but significantly more profitable in in in our Indonesia Burger King business. We continue to stay focused on that: corporate overheads, portfolio optimization, delivery profitability.
Now what we're doing is carrying the learnings from India when it comes to, the equipment, utility bills, and the portfolio of, that can go onto solar farms there we can reduce our utility bills. All those will be transferred by our team from here to Indonesia, and and I think that will give us a very strong P&L at the current ADS.
Not that we are looking at, bringing in more EBITDA at higher ADSes, which we are working through the value strategy, but at current ADS, we want to bring some efficiencies into the P&L as well. This is basically the top-line strategy and and now Sumit will carry you through the numbers in detail.
Over to you, Sumit.
Sumit Zaveri
Thank you, Rajeev has already covered the individual quarterly performance for India and Indonesia. I'll start with slide 17, and then we'll go into the details how the quarter-on-quarter performances have moved.
As as we can see on slide 17, on a consolidated basis, our store count between India and Indonesia stands at 752, up by 69 restaurants. The entire growth is led by India growth.
Continuing with our overall revenue trajectory growth on a consolidated basis, as we've seen in standalone as well, our overall revenue grew by 18% to ₹823 crores for the quarter ended 20s FY '27 as compared to ₹698 crores that we had last year. Similarly, restaurant EBITDA showed a robust growth of 73.5%, a total of ₹93.3 crores.
This this had a ₹3.3 crores of Indonesia as well. If you do compare to last year, you would realize that we were at a break-even level in terms of restaurant EBITDA.
From there, we have moved to 3.3%, and we will go into brand-wise as well as to which brand has performed well for us in Indonesia as compared in addition to India also performing very, very strongly. As far as company EBITDA is concerned, we moved from ₹12 crores last year to 4 ₹43.5 or ₹44 crores.
It's almost over 3x growth in terms of company EBITDA that we've seen as compared to last year. We are not only on a standalone basis, but even on consolidated basis, we've had a very strong performance.
Now going on to slide 18, and we will go into the nuances of the India performance and then Indonesia performance. We've already seen a constant focus on adding restaurants in India and to grow the brand in India.
We ended the quarter at 590 restaurants. As we've always been stating, that we would continue to grow at a pace of around 80 restaurants on an annual basis, and that still continues to be our goal going forward as well.
As far as ADS is concerned, you could very clearly see that there is a step change led by very strong SSSG growth that we've seen in quarter one. We, at a portfolio level, we stand at an ADS of ₹1,31,000 with SSSG growth of 12.6%.
As far as revenue is concerned, ₹683 crores, 23 24% growth over last year. Delivery mix continues to be, very similar tight range at 44%, though it is 2% higher than what we had seen in quarter one last year, which is more a comparable quarter from seasonality perspective.
Gross profit margin, you've always seen us improving on a quarter-on-quarter basis. That trend continues.
We ended the quarter at 70.8%. We believe that this is a trajectory at which we should continue to grow our gross gross profit margin going forward as well, with restaurant EBITDA standing at 13.2% at ₹90 crores, which if we look at it from a seasonality perspective, it is up from 9.7% in quarter one last year to 13.2% in current quarter.
Then translation of the restaurant EBITDA improvement is also is also reflected in company EBITDA numbers moving from 4.1% or ₹22.5 crores ₹23 crores to ₹53 crores for the quarter at 7.7%. If we quickly look at the Indonesia summary, and I'm looking at slide slide 20 there.
As far as Indonesia is concerned, ADS-wise, we've remained fairly flat. All the efforts that we've taken to improve the overall restaurant EBITDA on the Burger King side by building efficiencies into the P&L, what Raj spoke about including delivery profitability or looking at cost initiatives, we have been able to move the needle to a store EBITDA of 5.2% as far as Burger King is concerned.
Popeyes is something which continues to remain at a stable ADS of around 69 to 70,000 in terms of Indian rupees. That is an area which we continue to work towards.
What is important is that at a consolidated level between the two brands, we have been able to move the needle to a positive EBITDA for for quarter quarter one at at 3.2 or ₹3.3 crores for the quarter. There is a positive directional change that we are seeing in Indonesia as well, as we saw in India.
Obviously, India shift is substantial at the back of 12.6% 12.6% SSSG that we've seen. If we look at, and I would kind of take a moment to take you to take you to slide 23, which which talks about India performance and on a post-Ind AS basis as well.
You could see that on a post-Ind AS basis as well on India, we've made a substantial shift. We are We reported a marginal profit after tax loss of ₹3.2 crores, but there is an exchange loss that really caused the profit after tax to be negative of ₹12 crores, which is on a pertaining to the investments that we have in Indonesia.
Otherwise, subject to that, our directionally we've also started to move towards making the company not only generate good cash, but at the same time also to directionally move towards positive after-tax numbers as well as we kind of see as far as standalone performance is concerned. Similarly, on consolidated performance, which is slide 25, the profit after tax on consolidated basis, we had a loss of ₹45 crores, which is also reduced by 27% to ₹33 crores.
We we kind of believe that there is an all-in improvement in India, as well as directionally we've started to move on the positive side on Indonesia. We feel that as a on the journey side, we are we are moving directionally we are moving in the in the right direction, and we will kind of take this take this forward.
With that, we would open it up for Q&A. Happy to take the answer happy to take that questions that that you all would have.
Rajeev Varman
Operator, we can proceed with the questions if they're lined up. Thank you.
Operator
Thank you very much. We will now begin the question and answer session.
Anyone who wishes to ask a question may press star and one on their touchtone telephone. If you wish to remove yourself from the question queue, you may press star and two.
Participants are requested to use handsets while asking a question. Ladies and gentlemen, we will wait for a moment while the question queue assembles.
The first question is from the line of Aditya from PLSA. Please proceed.
Aditya Jakhotia
Hi. Good evening, and thanks for the opportunity.
Two questions. Firstly, we've seen a significant acceleration in SSSG.
Could you maybe break that down into sort of pricing, mix, and volume, how that was in the quarter, and how you expect that to play out for the rest of the year? Then secondly, when we look at the sort of restaurant EBITDA in the context of the very strong SSSG, we find that maybe the improvement isn't as strong.
Would that entail that there has been a higher marketing spend, or is that something else? Thanks.
That's it from me.
Rajeev Varman
Thank you for your question. Look, our total sales, whether it's delivery sales or dine-in sales, is driven at the back of traffic increase.
You can probably reflect on our restaurant pricing as well. We haven't taken any significant pricing to have reached that 12.6.
It's driven by traffic that we have generated, and we believe that that's what we have been doing for the last three years. We continue to stay in lines with doing that.
As long as we continue building traffic, you will continue to see that SSSG number progressively going forward. We have had a very good start to Q2 as well, I can say that some of the things we have put in place is driving more people into our restaurants.
The second question, which was on marketing. Yes, you always see in Q1 that we have a higher marketing expense.
This time it was 6.9%, 6.6%. Usually, this kind of gets amortized over the year.
Usually we have a lot of spends initially which we kind of tie up for the year. If you bring that down to 5%, 5.5%, 5%, then yes, the EBITDA, the restaurant level, will go up by that much amount.
Aditya Jakhotia
Thanks, that's very clear. Again, congrats on a very impressive performance.
Rajeev Varman
Thanks, Aditya.
Operator
Thank you. The next question is from the line of Monik from Investec.
Please proceed.
Monik Bhardwaj
Hi. I had a question on given the 12.6 SSSG achieved this quarter, what percent of revenue was allocated towards advertising and promotional activities in India?
Do you expect ad intensity to remain at current levels and considering the season, which is typically strong for Burger King coming, it increase? Another question is on future synergies with the Rebel acquisition.
How does management plan to integrate menu options or is there any plan, or because we have not heard post the business unit Rebel acquisition any synergies or what is going to happen. What do you think about since the sole focus is on increasing efficiency, sourcing, and everything.
Also we have fresh capital infusion coming in, based on that, any strategic alignment with Inspiras global and Rebel ecosystem or are there any concrete cross-brand procurement, co-located stores, or anything happening in such direction?
Rajeev Varman
On the first question, which was on the customer trend and the SSSG, I think I answered that earlier, but I'll re-emphasize that we have actually developed more and more customer base through our value strategy. Now with a premium strategy, which has become very popular with our kimchi Korean promotion, and then recently now you've seen what we have put out with the peri-peri promotion, both of those they're a big success for our company.
Now as we move forward, synergies you spoke about, look, both the businesses and you're talking about Inspiras business, are operated independently. They will continue to operate independently.
We do have a lot of learnings from the promoters because, as Ayush Agarwal has actually set up the entire Inspiras food business, which is Chinese Wok from scratch. While we are here running a brand, a global brand, and building a business, he's actually got a lot of experience in building a brand, not just building businesses.
I think those energies from there will definitely be transportable to our RBA business. Most people ask what are they going to benefit from that.
This is what RBA is going to benefit from. I think we are excited about it and a lot of good feedback.
In the last few days, we have had a lot of meetings with them and a lot of questions on efficiencies and so forth, which have been very, very useful for us to understand. We'll continue to have that kind of discussions and whatever we can transfer into our business here in RBA, we will continue to kind of move forward into that.
Monik Bhardwaj
Okay. There is no plan for any co-located store expansion strategy as of now, it continues to operate as independent?
Rajeev Varman
They're two very different businesses. They operate very independently.
They have their own teams and their own CEO who operates that business, and we operate our own.
Monik Bhardwaj
Okay. Thank you very much.
Operator
Thank you. The next question is from the line of Dhwanil Desai from Turtle Capital.
Please proceed.
Dhwanil Desai
Hi, good evening everyone, and congratulations for extremely strong set of numbers. Sir, my first question is, I think if we look at last four quarters, every quarter progressively we have increased the SSSG.
Generally what I understood is that QSR is a momentum business. Once momentum picks up, it continues to carry on as you have enrolled more customers, they come to stores, spend more.
Given this, how do you look at next four, five, six quarters? Should we be able to kind of grow at double-digit SSSG on a longer-term basis, because earlier we were guiding 4% to 7% SSSG and we have far exceeded that number this quarter.
So?
Rajeev Varman
Very good question. Look, I think you spoke about the last four quarters, but I would say even the last maybe six to eight quarters, you generally got on calls and listened to very muted sales in the industry, right?
You've seen some negative sales and you've seen very muted sales for a very long time. This quarter you've heard nothing but positive from the industry.
It should tell you where the industry at large, the food business in the country, is going. We are very blessed and everyone's benefiting from it, and so are we, right?
Now if you have this kind of environment and you have the right promotions in place and the right strategies in place, which we have had for a long time, then they benefit in ample amount when things turn positive and the wind's behind your back instead of in your face. I think those are the things.
We don't make forward-looking statements, but I'll submit to you that we have started this quarter very well, Q2, and we feel very good about the market.
Dhwanil Desai
Got it. A second question is a lot of capital will get infused into the company, and as a shareholder, that is something we want to understand how this capital will get utilized, because our profitability is increasing, cash flows will make sure that even 70, 80 stores eventually will be self-sustained, maybe not now, maybe four, six quarters later.
What is the plan on the capital that we will have in the company, how do we deal with it? Will we again not get into that mode of acquisition and then investment again, and then waiting for next two, three years?
Your thoughts on that?
Rajeev Varman
We are in the process. You can appreciate that this is the first call with the new promoters, and we just closed the deal just a few weeks ago.
You would appreciate that we would like to have some time to put together a strategy moving forward for the next three to five years. We are working with them on a strategy to move forward: how we are going to do capital allocation, what is going to be the growth rate, what is going to be the different efficiencies we can bring in, what is the back of the house integration.
A lot of conversations happening. Once we have a steady plan put together that we are all fully energized and behind, then we will be in a position to share those plans.
Dhwanil Desai
Got it. Last question, sir, and I'll come back in the queue.
Sir, on the Indonesia side, I think earlier we were working on two work streams. One is, of course, making the business go to the profitable part, but the alternative stream was again to kind of sell off the business or hive off.
Are we still on the same line? I think last call you indicated that at least on the Popeyes side, you are working on a very urgent basis to do something about it.
Any updates on that, any change in thought process, if you can update on that front?
Rajeev Varman
No. Thank you for your question.
Very aligned on what we spoke last time. Look, the Burger King business is improving there very well, right?
You get a feel of it. Even though you don't see it in numbers immediately, you get a feel from the market whether what you're doing is right.
We have that focus over there in terms of our value platform that we're launching, but we already see that the restaurants have started to generate a positive amount of EBITDA. We see that the efficiencies that we have bought here, that we can transfer to Indonesia very quickly.
We're now working on those. We feel the Burger King businesses is stronger than it was a few quarters ago.
I think we want to continue to put a focus on that and make sure that we strengthen all those things that we have done in India, we kind of parallel those off into Indonesia: the value strategy being a big one, the utilities and the middle of the P&L refinement that's another one, the delivery strategy where we have an opportunity, we've already done some progress by making it more profitable, I think we still some work over there. We'll complete all those things and stay focused on that.
Popeyes, like I told you, we are now in very deep conversations with the new promoters. It is a tough business and it is something that we will not exclude any strategic decisions on that.
We will inform you as we kind of arrive at a path that is visible to us. Either way, if you appreciate it, whatever we do with both those businesses, bringing efficiency into both those businesses, making sure those businesses are moving towards profitability is important in the near term anyway.
We haven't left our eyeball from that, and we continue to look at some strategic options on Popeyes as well.
Dhwanil Desai
All right, sir. Thank you and wish you all the best.
Rajeev Varman
Thank you.
Operator
Thank you. The next question is from the line of Devanshu Bansal from Emkay Global.
Please proceed.
Devanshu Bansal
Hi, Rajeev. Just continuing on the discussion, right?
Firstly, congratulations for a very strong performance in Q1. You sort of answered to this from a acquisition perspective, right, as in you are currently phasing on the strategy.
I also wanted to sort of get some clarity because promoters may have taken some debt to consummate this stake acquisition, right? Do we have as a company any plans to share dividend going ahead to sort of maybe service that debt taken by the promoters?
If you could also sort of maybe provide clarity down the lane on that front, it would be helpful. Secondly, I wanted to check that your delivery channel performance has been pretty different from that reported by peers this quarter, right?
Your mix has actually increased, checking if you are also benefiting from relatively lower competitive intensity on that channel. If you could throw some light there?
Rajeev Varman
Yeah. Look, just let me answer the second question first and then I'll turn it over to Sumit on the PAT and the dividend.
Look, our strategy on delivery has been very consistent, right? We continue to focus on driving traffic, right?
Profitable traffic, not just traffic, but profitable traffic. We started doing that a while ago.
We have been reporting positive delivery sales flow-through for a while now. We haven't stopped improving on it, we continue to improve on it.
When we do delivery sales, we actually do that more profitably than we have done it in the past. That journey continues in those lines, and we're not shaking away from it.
You saw a kind of shift in some of those delivery numbers because there were certain markets we had some good delivery businesses because of certain events in those areas, whatever those may be. We will take all sales, whether it's delivery or dine-in, as long as it's coming in profitably.
That's how it came in, and so that's why you see those numbers in EBITDA as well as on revenues, which is up 23.6% on revenues, SSSG up 2.6%, and EBITDA, restaurant level and company EBITDA, both up 168%, the other one 133%. All this is because these things kind of lined up well.
As far as
Sumit Zaveri
Devanshu, I'll just take the first question. As far as the business is concerned, we are very clear that the cash that the business generates will be utilized for the purpose of growth of our businesses.
That's something which we're clearly kind of agreed as a part of our long-term plan. We're very clear we continue to kind of use the cash for the purpose of growth of our businesses, the current businesses that we have.
Devanshu Bansal
Got it, Sumit. Just one more clarification.
You did mention there is some forex-related loss, right? Your pre-Ind AS head office cost is somewhere around ₹37.6 crores, but your post-Ind AS head office cost comes out to be around 50-odd crores, right?
What is this exact difference and whether this is expected to continue in the coming quarters?
Sumit Zaveri
One is, Devanshu, the exchange loss that I mentioned to you is sitting below the EBITDA line as a part of finance cost. That does not impact the EBITDA line.
As far as the G&A is concerned, our G&A for India business stands at ₹37 crores for the quarter. That is the number.
The exchange loss number that I spoke to you is not forming part of the G&A or the EBITDA, whether it is pre-Ind AS or post-Ind AS EBITDA numbers, Devanshu.
Devanshu Bansal
Okay. Got it.
Then there might be some mistake at my end, I'll correct that. Got it, sir.
Thanks for taking the questions.
Sumit Zaveri
Thanks.
Rajeev Varman
Thanks, Devanshu.
Operator
Thank you. The next question is from the line of Aditya from Complete Circle Capital.
Please proceed.
Aditya Kondawar
All my questions are answered. Thank you.
Rajeev Varman
Thank you.
Sumit Zaveri
Thank you.
Operator
Thank you. The next question is from the line of Manoj from Geometric.
Please proceed.
Manoj Dua
Am I audible?
Rajeev Varman
Yes, Manoj, please go on.
Manoj Dua
Okay. Congratulations on super metrics in all areas.
I understand that you will take time for the capital which will come from the equity dilution. Can you give some sense what you will not do, what we will do, you have a time?
I understand when multiple permutation and combination that looks like that capital will go into the investment phase in some form of sense. Like last time there was a promoter in the report Burger King Indonesia, can we it is that we can buy something in Chinese Wok?
Is there any guideline what we won't do? What we will do we will come to know.
Rajeev Varman
Manoj, please give us some time. We are in discussions on an outlay plan.
We will come back. We will have a plan.
There are a lot of options which include backwarding integration, bringing some efficiencies by investing in, for example, solar farms. It's a good way to kind of spend the money long term.
Backward integration, there's growth initiatives. There's a lot that is on our plate that we are sorting out.
Given the very small timeframe that we have had since the deal was closed till now, I think we should do this honestly and we should come back with definitive answers more than speculative answers. Please give us some time.
Manoj Dua
Understood. Looks like my commentary of Indonesia Burger King looks like that more or less we are continuing with Burger King.
It looks like a very positive commentary. How much capital if we continue with Burger King Indonesia would be needed more?
Any idea on that?
Rajeev Varman
Let me clarify that Burger King Indonesia is doing much better. We have a good feel that that business is kind of on track towards a strong positive EBITDA line at the restaurant level.
We continue to kind of work around that. We have identified the gaps that were there.
It took us a little while, but given the rough market that was there because of the boycott, and before that COVID, and then the second boycott, all these things happened in Indonesia. It was a fantastic business when we bought it.
Pre-COVID, it generated very strong EBITDA margins and it was in a market where we had very high out-of-home consumption. It was a very, very, very strong business that we bought, but kind of fell through because of all that string of events that happened because of the war in Palestine and the boycott subsequent to that.
Let's leave that alone. We made a good decision that kind of turned out to be tough on us.
We have found some solutions with Burger King, we're moving forward with those solutions. Like I said, whether we have a strategic output from this effort, we still need to be, as a company, reducing losses, finding efficiencies, building a strong business as long as we own it.
We're continuing to do that, right? Popeyes, we think in the near future that we will make some strategic decisions.
We still need to continue to improve that and minimize the losses. We're working on both those fronts, and that's the real plan that we shared with you prior to the new promoters coming in.
It's no different now. Promoters and we are aligned on how we're moving forward with that.
Just kind of stay put to hear a little more from us.
Manoj Dua
Just
Sumit Zaveri
Manoj, just want to add to what Raj mentioned. It was an initial question as well with respect to the way both the business, our business and promoters' business, will be run.
I think he's already clarified that those businesses will continue to operate individually, and that is something which is how we will continue to operate both the businesses there. There are absolutely no plans to consolidate those businesses there as far as we are concerned.
We're very clear and focused to run these businesses as individual businesses, including the allocation of capital, which will go towards the growth of the business that we are currently operating. So.
Manoj Dua
Understood. Congratulations and hopeful for a very good journey with the new promoter, and transparent, and very better to the shareholder.
Thank you.
Rajeev Varman
Appreciate it, Manoj. Thank you, Manoj.
Operator
Thank you. The next question is from the line of Rahul from Athleco Analytics Service LLP.
Please proceed.
Rahul Kumar
Hi. As part of the acquisition, the promoters have pledged 14%.
Is there a chance that that 14% could go further up?
Sumit Zaveri
Rahul, that is obviously completely the plan and that the promoters have with respect to funding the acquisitions honestly. That's a question that rather we would kind of stay away from as far as their concern.
Rahul Kumar
Fair enough. Is it possible or likely that in the next concall, the promoters would be open to being on the call?
I think many shareholders would appreciate that if it's possible.
Rajeev Varman
Look here, I'll definitely have a chat with Ayush on that, but I think it makes more sense for us to finish a business plan, set that out, and then kind of share that with the wider community, and then kind of have that call. We'll discuss and get back for sure.
It's a good question from you and we'll get back to you on that, yeah?
Rahul Kumar
Right, right. Thank you.
That's all. Yeah.
Rajeev Varman
All right. Thank you.
Operator
Thank you. The next question is from the line of Rohit from I-Thought PMS.
Please proceed.
Rohit Balakrishnan
Hi, good evening and congratulations on solid performance. My question is in Indonesia, while you sort of hinted that maybe you may look at things at Popeyes side, but just on Burger King Indonesia, what kind of capital outlay do you see?
Given that you seem to be very confident about the things improving notwithstanding the numbers yet. What kind of external capital from the parent, do you see that you will need to sort of invest?
I saw that we have invested close to ₹50 crores in the Indonesian subsidiary. Assuming that the business improves from here on, is there sort of a limit you are thinking that this is the kind of capital that we would sort of give out to Indonesia, Burger King Indonesia, in the next, yeah?
Rajeev Varman
Rohit, that's a very good question. Let me reiterate to you that the franchisor, which is RBI, Restaurant Brands International, has committed to invest $9 million over the next three years in the Indonesian market.
That's the capital that they are outlaying in terms of marketing support to spruce up our marketing program over the next three years. We thank them for that.
That's their belief that this is a strong market and this is a market that they would like to build if anything, right? That's one thing.
Now we haven't got a plan in place right now to build any new restaurants there, right? There's nothing in this year's plan to build any new restaurant.
We are optimizing, reducing rent in existing restaurants. We are looking at the solar farm, we are looking at the new broiler.
We might end up buying the new broiler, which will actually bring efficiencies. The last time when we told you about this plan for India, the payback was about a year and a few months.
That kind of paid off real quickly over here in India. We're looking at those and we will have that into our plan as we kind of move forward on that.
A lot of efficiencies will come out without any capex outlay, right? A lot of this will come out.
Marketing support is there from RBI that they have invested into this business. These are the initiatives.
We're not looking at putting in capex to grow restaurants, but we'll find a ways to bring in efficiencies at current ADSes and then of course the value strategy that we are going to roll out will help us kind of improve the top line over there. We have seen in the industry over there at the other players that are there, that they have slowly started to move their top lines as well.
Generally the industry, and when I say the industry, I'm talking about Western QSRs in Indonesia, are now creeping up and improving on their ADSes and their sales and P&L and so forth. It's not just that we're hoping to do that, we're seeing the entire market doing that.
Rohit Balakrishnan
Right. Just two small questions on this follow up.
I think when we had acquired, I think I remember maybe you had articulated that while the gross margins there are lower than India, but at a restaurant level or at a unit level, probably because of lower rents and lower delivery commissions etcetera, the margins actually are slightly ahead of India. Of course a lot has happened since then in terms of macro environment.
Assuming that you work through these efficiencies and you get some bit of market tailwinds in terms of ADS, does that still hold, or that argument has probably not played out? If you can share some comments?
Secondly No. Go ahead.
Sorry, one more question on this was that I think when we had acquired this piece, I think we were very hopeful on the chicken part, and I think you mentioned that we have gone from 30% to 50%. Concomitantly, I think we were talking about a gross margin improvement there as well because of this mix changing when we had acquired.
Can you maybe also talk a bit about that, what kind of potential improvement in gross margin because of this have we already achieved and what can happen going forward in Indonesia specifically? Thank you.
Rajeev Varman
Very good question, Rohit. Excellent question actually.
Look, the dynamics of that P&L haven't changed, right? We have an advantage over there in rent.
While we kind of 12% over here, when we bought that business, it was sitting at 8% because of volumes, right? The volumes were there, sitting at 8% rent.
We hope to get there very quickly as we kind of do this value strategy and we kind of hold this out. Many of those benefits that was there in those P&Ls still exist, right?
For example, delivery is a lower percentage there, the commissions on delivery are lower. There are a lot of intrinsic advantages that we have in that business that haven't changed.
As you grow the volume back in there, those things will be still firm and available to us, right? Now you spoke about the chicken.
Yes, we moved the volumes of chicken, which of course you saw gross margin in the BK business has improved significantly. That gross margin will continue to improve and that will hold down to our EBITDA line.
What I think we learned from the study that we did is that Burger King is very strong and known for burgers over there. People that visit QSR, and if they visit for a burger, they would like to visit a Burger King.
What we're doing now with the value strategy is including burger options into our value induction menu. Those will be rolled out.
In fact, they are in test as we speak. In fact, the test started on the first.
We're already in test in three markets. We will see how this test run.
As we kind of learn which of those strategies are best, then we will implement those to drive the top line over there. Did I answer all pieces of your question there, Rohit?
Rohit Balakrishnan
Yes, Rajeev. I think this was very helpful.
If I can squeeze one more in. I think you mentioned that we tried some value strategy in Indonesia, but it sort of did not work out and we are moving to another strategy.
Anything you can share, what didn't probably work out?
Rajeev Varman
Rohit, see, when we put a value strategy, we have a 2 for in India, right, 2 for 79, that's a value strategy, right? We have a gross margin percentage that's lower, but because of the traffic we drive, the gross margin dollars or rupees in India, those are substantial, right?
That's what helps us in driving EBITDA and top-line sales, right? Every company has some kind of a lead offer that they use to generate trial and bring in it's called the induction menu, people into the business.
Now we had that strategy in place in Indonesia for a while. It did give us some kind of a initial jump, but did not go to the traffic numbers that we had speculated.
One because maybe there was a better offer and a better strategy in place that we did not put. Secondly, the marketing spends around that were muted because of the muted sales that we had.
Now both those things we're trying to solve. One is we've got additional marketing rupees that have come in, or rupiah in Indonesia, that have come through our franchisor who was graciously partnered in that business.
Secondly, we are also testing what different strategies would work better than what we currently have. Once we have those pieces put together, I think we're going to come out a little ahead than where we were when we started this journey.
Rohit Balakrishnan
Understood. Thank you very much and all the very best for the remaining year.
Thanks a lot.
Rajeev Varman
Thanks, Rohit. Really really appreciate it.
Thank you.
Operator
Thank you. The last question is from the line of Vignesh Iyer from Sequent Investments.
Please proceed.
Vignesh Iyer
Hello, my question is on the gross margin part for our Indian business, in which we have seen sequential improvement for several quarters now. Even in this quarter, we have seen improvement, if I have to say, on a quarter-on-quarter basis.
I wanted to understand what is the target or anything in mind, or is this the steady state number that we should model in for the future quarter, considering the fact that we have been hearing from other players in QSR industry that there has been impact of raw material inflation on their gross margin part, but we have still seen a good improvement in our gross margin on quarter-on-quarter basis?
Rajeev Varman
Yeah. Thanks, Vignesh, for your question.
We are slightly ahead of where we thought we would be in terms of gross margin, we have already outlayed that. Our goal is, as we have outlined in the last call, is to get to 72 over the next three years.
Now given we are at 70.8, that tells you that we're kind of a little bit ahead on our strategy. I've been sharing this now for the last three years.
We are continuing to fill up markets which have DCs with more restaurants. We amortize the primary transportation over more restaurants in that region.
Automatically we see efficiencies coming in. It's again the cluster approach.
You build a DC, there's some fixed cost to the DC. When you put enough restaurants around it, not only absorbs the fixed cost, but in future it brings down the total cost.
This cluster approach that we have been doing is helping bring down the total cost of distribution, but also buying and, as I say, bringing food close to the restaurant. That's another strategy that we put in place a couple of years ago and I think as we keep working on that strategy, you will find that the fruits of that will continue coming in.
Our plan is to get to 72 in the next two to three years. We'll stay on that plan.
If we meet that ahead, kudos to the team, but that's the plan. Right,
Vignesh Iyer
right. Would it be fair to say that on a quarter-on-quarter basis, this entire improvement is due to the structure that you have set up, like your cluster-based approach, and there is no as such a price increase that you have taken in this specific quarter?
Rajeev Varman
Yeah. Look, we haven't taken any strategic price increase at all.
We take a few paise here or a few rupees here and there. We haven't had a price increase for a while now, and we have stayed true to that.
We have taken some in delivery, some here and there, but nothing that we haven't done in the past. We haven't really gone out of the way to take a price increase.
We won't do that. I think we continue to stay true to our strategy of continuing to drive traffic into our business, and I think that strategy kind of keeps us honest and keeps us clean.
Vignesh Iyer
Right, understood, sir. That's all from my side.
Rajeev Varman
All right. Thank you so much.
Really appreciate it, guys. Again, thank you for your interest in our business.
It's one of those quarters that we are actually as a team proud of: 12.6% SSSG, ₹682 crores in total revenues in India, 70.8 gross margin, ₹90 crores in restaurant-level EBITDA, and ₹52.7 crores in company EBITDA here in India. Indonesia Burger King business getting strong.
We're looking at all options on Popeyes. We are going to be putting a structurally sound plan in the next several weeks and months to kind of take this company forward.
Thank you for your support. You guys have been good.
Please go and buy Burger King, go buy Whoppers. You'll appreciate that.
Thank you very much. Over to you, operator.
Operator
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