Shoppers Stop Limited

Shoppers Stop Limited

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Q2 FY2027 · Earnings Call TranscriptOctober 16, 2026

Operator

Good evening, and thank you, all, for joining us on the Shoppers Stop Q2 FY '27 earnings conference call. Today we have with us the senior management represented by Mr.

Kavindra Mishra, Customer Care Associate, Managing Director, and CEO; Mr. Pankaj Chaturvedi, Customer Care Associate, and CFO.

We will begin the call with the opening remarks from the management, after which we will have the forum open for the interactive Q&A session. I must remind all that the discussion in today's earning call may include certain forward-looking statements and must be viewed therefore in conjunction with the risk that the company faces.

Please restrict your questions to the quarter's performance and to the strategic questions only. Housekeeping questions can be dealt with separately with the IR team.

I would now request Mr. Kavindra Mishra for the opening remarks.

Thank you, and over to you, sir.

Kavindra Mishra

Thank you, Deepali. Good evening, all.

I am joined with Biju and Mahesh, in addition to our colleagues from the finance team, Pankaj, who is our CFO, JP, and Rohit. We have uploaded the investor presentation on our corporate and stock exchange website.

Let me start with talking about the current operating environment. The current operating and consumption environment, which started picking in Q1, sustained the momentum through Q2, and I'm happy to share that the demand continues to remain strong.

Both Raksha Bandhan and Onam saw good con- consumer traction. I'm happy to share that the run-up to Pujo in east and Dussehra in key markets has been significantly strong, and I and I would comment on this in detail.

Talking about the festive season, the start of the Pujo calendar for east market has been very good, and we are pit- witnessing a healthy mid-teen like-for-like growth in our stores. Given the fact that we have a very strong base in east, these numbers are very encouraging.

Similarly, the Dussehra calendar, too, has shown a strong upsurge with a mid-teen like-for-like growth. Coming to our quarter two performance, here are some of the key highlights.

Given the background of festive calendar shift from Q2 last year to Q3 this year, I am pleased to report that the results for Q2 have been quite encouraging and demonstrate the execution of the Shoppers Stop 2.0 strategy beautifully. While on a non-GAAP consol basis, our revenues grew by 7%, EBITDA grew by 56%, and as a result result, we were able to turn around PAT from a loss of ₹7 crores in last year to a profit of ₹6 crores this year.

This is GAAP also, PAT recorded a positive swing from ₹20 crore loss in last year to ₹3 crore profit this year. Let me talk about the individual verticals now, starting with an update on the departmental store business.

We opened four departmental stores during the quarter, Sindhu Bhavan in Ahmedabad, Jabalpur, [Bailey?] Square in Patna, and Jhansi, which means we open total in total six departmental stores in the H- in H1.

From our earlier guidance of gross store openings where we had mentioned that we will open between 9 to 10 stores, we are looking at 12 stores openings this year. In line with our strategy, these are upmarket stores with elevated designs, modern ambience, and premium assortment.

We will be opening our seventh store in Pacific Mall in Jaipur, which is North India's largest mall, in next week on 23rd October. The like-for-like business for departmental stores grew by 2% this quarter with a total growth of 4%.

Adjusted for the festive calendar shift because Pujo dates shifted from September to October, the like-for-like growth was 6.5%. Our consistent focus on premiumization and experiential retail continues to resonate strongly with consumers.

Our customer entry grew by 1% for like-for-like stores and the overall growth of 7.7%. We had the highest-ever additions to our First Citizen loyalty program with 2.5 lakh new recruitments.

The premium end of our loyalty program, which is our Black Card program, has reported the highest-ever enrollment. We had 19,000 new recruitments and highest-ever renewals of 21,000, which is a renewal rate of around 66%, demonstrating deep value proposition from our con- consumer perspective, besides personalized service standards.

The total loyalty membership base grew to 14.1 million. The total contribution this quarter was 84% with a repeat rate of 68%.

Noticeably, our numbers across the loyalty program metrics continue to grow. What was specially heartening for us was the fact that with the positioning change, we were also able to attract a new set of consumers, and 37% of our bills were made by consumers who came for the first time in our stores.

With constant focus, the premium portfolio contribution in stores improved by 390 basis points, and they stand now at an all-time high of 73%. The ATV for the quarter has gone up by seven by 9%, which now stands at ₹5,471, showing core operational strength.

Our Personal Shopper program, which is central to our expense experiential retail strategy, is now contributing 27% to our revenue, which is a growth of around 200 bps versus last year. Sales generated through Personal Shoppers grew by 13% with total sales reaching ₹349 crores for the quarter.

In our quest for the premiumization in service experiences, we are resourcing the stores through more Personal Shoppers, and we see this contribution reaching to 30% of revenue by end of the year. As a part of our premiumization strategy, we have always talked about the five power categories.

They continue to outperform within the departmental stores. Watches grew 24% Y-o-Y, handbags grew by 16%, fragrances by 13%, footwear by 9%, and sunglasses by 8%.

We're also seeing a very strong growth in fashion, and we believe that this augurs well for the coming festive. Now I will move on to the private brands business.

Private brands continue to be a strategic key pillar for us in terms of offering differentiated ranges and covering the gap for a set of categories. We shall continue to focus on driving productivity and improving profitability through premiumization and rationalizing discounts.

Despite reducing the number of brands and reducing the inventory by 26%, I am very happy to share that we have seen a significant uptake in the profitability of the private brands concept. We had also announced a partnership with Aditya Birla Lifestyle Brands on the Stop Peter England collab.

It brings together two iconic names in Indian menswear to deliver exceptional quality, contemporary style, and greater value for our consumers. I am very happy to share that the initial results have been quite encouraging, and we expect the same to accelerate further.

Our beauty business continues to deliver encouraging momentum, and here's an update of the same. The overall beauty business, including Global SS Beauty, delivered a revenue of ₹367 crores during the quarter, registering a healthy year-on-year growth of 18%, led by fragrances, which grew by 35%.

With consistent efforts and new initiatives, including MAC loyalty program and pushing exclusive services, Estée Lauder business grew by 4% like-for-like for the second consecutive quarter after an LFL decline for the last four consecutive quarters. Our beauty distribution business continued its strong growth trajectory, generating revenue of ₹168 crores, which is equivalent to ₹270 crores of GMV with a stellar 59% year- growth year-on-year.

We opened two boutiques in this quarter, and with this total, we now have 11 boutiques: four Armani, three NARS, two Shiseido, one Prada, and one Creed. We'll continue to accelerate scale through ongoing capital allocation, which has generated healthy return on capital employed.

The performance underscores beauty as a strategic pillar for Shoppers Stop, aiming high growth through strategic partnerships, digital acceleration, and store expansion. Let me throw some light on new initiatives, starting with InTune business.

Our continuous commentary last year on InTune was that we need to stabilize the operations, improve the unit economics, and liquidate the old inventory before we start seeing the growth in business. I am happy to share that the execution of the business has started showing initial results.

We recorded a revenue of ₹72 crores in InTune with a festive-adjusted like-for-like growth of 6%. Just like as in Shoppers Stop, the start of Dussehra and the festive calendar has been very positive, and we are growing mid-teen in InTune as well.

Relentless focus on inventory freshness through in-season clearance and online accessibility helped us in reducing inventory by ₹32 crores year-on-year. Business is currently operating at an inventory level of 16 weeks cover.

We are confident of operating with similar discipline in coming months, driven by improved full-price sell-throughs, robust supply chains, and more frequent drops. Due to these controls, we are entering the festive with a high freshness in merchandise, and we believe Q3 will be a very strong quarter for us.

Our repeat customer business improved to 49%, while the ABVs improved by 6%, and the items per per transaction were at 3.5. Given the fact that in Q1 our repeat customer mix was 47%, this quarter-on-quarter movement is a very good news for us.

Led by improvement in InTune productivity and integration of ssbeauty.in into shoppersstop.com, we could reduce the EBITDA losses in new businesses by ₹8 crores in Q2 and ₹12 crores in H1. We expect the losses to reduce further in Q3 and Q4.

We also believe that we'll be able to share our expansion plan plans for InTune in our Q3 earnings call, something which has often been asked to us. Moving on to the e-commerce business, our investments and efforts over the last year on improving the UI/UX and integrating the site have started showing good results.

We grew by 50% 52% over Q2 last year. Interestingly, we are seeing the impact of premiumization online as well.

Our average bills value grew by 9%, and power categories like watches led growth, reflecting the premium behavior of our consumers across both offline and online. On store expansion and financial discipline, we continue with a prudent capital allocation strategy focused on enhancing returns and reinforcing balance sheet strength.

During the quarter, we opened seven stores: four departmental stores, two beauty boutiques, and one MAC shop-in-shop. The total inventory was optimized by ₹78 crores year-on-year.

I'd like to share how we are leveraging AI across the business. Over the past couple of years, as an organization, we have been working a lot on both machine learning, language, and AI in various parts of our business.

Within Shoppers Stop, we look at AI with two perspectives: revenue generation and cost. Under revenue generation, our focus is on personalization and targeting the consumer activations.

We have just rolled out the Personal Shopper app version 2.0, which uses deep insights for enhancing the consumer experience. We have also rolled out the personalization of couponing for consumers in the stores, based on their shopping behavior.

We believe that as both these projects mature, they will be very meaningful in our consumer experience journey, as well as driving the like-for-like growth. Under the cost mitigation, our focus is on sharpening the back-end systems and processes.

Inventory planning and optimization through demand forecasting, which started with private brands, has now been extended to InTune as well. The efficiency being pushed will be seen over the next few quarters.

Finally, let me reiterate our strategy going forward. We'll continue to accelerate premiumization.

We'll continue to deepen our strategy by strengthening partnerships with leading brands and expanding our premium portfolio, launching new brands, and enhancing the premium shopping experience through new store openings and key renovations. Building on the momentum in consumer walk-ins, we will continue to elevate the Shoppers Stop experience through innovation, GTMs, and aspirational brand positioning.

We'll continue to strengthen our footprints in premium malls and high-potential locations, leveraging our growing preference among leading mall developers and reinforcing our position as the departmental store of choice. We'll continue to work and reduce the further further losses in InTune in H2.

Finally, beauty distribution is something which is a core target for us, and we'll continue to expand the portfolio. We maintain our estimated revenue growth of mid-single or little slightly higher LFL for FY '27, and healthy expansion of profitability as already witnessed in H1.

With this, I would like to open the floor for an interesting Q&A session. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you, sir. We will now begin the question-and-answer session.

Anyone who wishes to ask a question may press star and one on their touchtone telephone. If you wish to remove yourself from the question queue, you may press star and two.

Participants are requested to use handset while asking a question. Ladies and gentlemen, we will wait for a moment while the question queue assembles.

Our first question comes from the line of Avi. Please go ahead.

Avi Mehta

Hi, team. Thanks for the opportunity.

This is Avi Mehta from 360 ONE Capital. Sir, I just wanted to kind of get your thoughts on one aspect.

For the last few quarters, we've been on this journey of balance sheet health improvement, and you've been more or less done or closer to the finish line, if I may say. Just wanted to get your thoughts.

How do you see or what is required for us to up the ante on store addition, especially in, say, InTune and the departmental stores? Your thoughts on how do you see it.

While you've increased from 9 to 12, is this something that can move to, say, 20, 30? What is required for that to kind of happen?

That'll be useful. Point number one.

The second question, sir, that I also wanted to kind of check with you is on the beauty side. Now, we're witnessing this question about online versus offline in the beauty segment.

Yours thoughts on what kind of is, because we started with a very strong kind of situation over here, the pace of growth, how do you see this spanning over the next three years? How large do you see your market share being?

Those were the two questions. You could kind of connect, answer.

Thank you very much.

Kavindra Mishra

Thanks, Avi. Great questions.

Let me start with the first, which is on the departmental store expansion thought process. As you rightly mentioned, at the start, we had spoken about opening close to 9 stores, and now that number is extended to 12.

How we are looking at the departmental store business is, because as we move into a more premiumization story, we need to ensure that there is a certain size of the store and a certain catchment of the store. When I say catchment, it doesn't mean that we can we only need to be in the jous of the world.

We just opened Jhansi, and we opened Jabalpur, and both of them for their the stores are premium and they are doing well. Currently, as we speak, our sense is that the number of store openings is also a function of the malls and the locations.

We are in the process of building a very healthy pipeline of the same. Our guidance would be around 10 to 12 stores, of which we have mentioned of 12 stores this year.

Similar number for the year for the coming two or three years. If we are able to get more options, based on the pipeline availability, we are very, very eager to do that because what we are seeing is that clearly the concept is working well in terms of the differentiated positioning which we have and the kind the way consumers are reacting to our product offering, right, and service offering.

We are quite bullish on it. It's a function of getting the right departmental store space and location.

From our side, I think we are we are we are we are quite open to open more stores. It's a function of how we are able to close the thing.

In terms of InTune, as I mentioned, last year, we were we were talking about the getting the operational piece right, and I think, as a team, even at the start of the year, we had said that we want to wait two or three quarters, see the performance, and then fix the operating pieces, fix the supply chain, fix the merchandising. Once those pieces are fixed, the unit economics is something which we have cracked, then we would go for the next set of expansion.

I think a very critical quarter for us is Q3, as we speak. I would be able to answer your queries in a much stronger way and a more positive way that what is the expansion plan or how we are looking at InTune for FY '28 and going forward.

Right now right now, I think our focus is to just ensure that we deliver on on the momentum which we have got right now. Yeah?

On the question of on the question of beauty, I think, as I mentioned, beauty is something where we are seeing strong, accelerated growth. If I if I talk about beauty businesses, there's a retail business and there's a distribution business.

In retail, we are seeing the way stores are growing, we are seeing a growth there as well. We are also very excited about the distribution business where we see that, I think we are more or less growing by 50%, 55% in a year-on-year, and we we will continue to grow in that that segment going forward.

If you look at our distribution, we are very strong in the premium end of play, and fragrances is something we are very, very very, very strong, and it's doing well. For us, ELCA, which was struggling for some period of time, has actually turned around, and it has become positive.

Again, we are talking to the business there and trying to build up on that piece as well. I would request Biju also to maybe speak about what he feels about and how he sees the distribution business in its current scenario.

Biju Kassim

Hi, Avi. With regards to the distribution business, as you could see from the numbers, we have been able to reach to a strong base.

Obviously, the company is still very young, but in the last 3.5 years, we have been able to grow quite strongly, and also the ability to work with partners that are, let's say, serious, long-term, and who believe in the Indian market. Together, we think that we should be able to continue this great momentum and the belief that international fraternity puts in this country as a big opportunistic or opportunity market, and this is where we are working around.

Avi Mehta

Got it, sir. Got it.

Sir, if I may just clarify one bit on the beauty side. Do you think the path to better profitability may entail need for investment in working capital to kind of better, as we kind of use data, is that the way I should see this margin profile, or this is just an operating cost leverage kind of story?

Pankaj Chaturvedi

Pankaj this side. As far as addition of portfolio and brands is concerned, yes, we might need infusion of some capital, and you would see in our cash flow statement that we have invested in the distribution business.

As far as the retail business is concerned, it will be pretty much BAU, any kind of investments required are self-funded. If you see the kind of optimization that we have done in our overall inventory levels, that working capital reduction is also helping us over there.

Whatever growth that we are achieving right now, we expect to achieve that, and if there is some requirement of capital, I would say that there are no constraints to it. We are geared up for that.

Avi Mehta

Got it. Very clear, sir.

Thank you very much for taking the question. Thanks.

Kavindra Mishra

Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. Before we take the next question, we would like to remind participants that you may press star and one to ask a question.

The next question comes from the line of Avinash Karumanchi with Motilal Oswal Financial Services. Please go ahead.

Avinash Karumanchi

Good evening, sir. Congratulations on good set of numbers.

My question is regarding InTune. InTune has seen a couple of store closures this quarter.

What are the learnings from these store closures? What is the commonality amongst these closures?

Do we foresee any further closures as well?

Kavindra Mishra

Thanks, Avinash. I think if I talk about the store closures, one, yes, there are obviously operational learning for us in terms of the spaces which we have chosen for the combination of locations and catchments.

I think, for us, the malls, especially because of the throughputs, work really, really well. The two places where we have closed are primarily high streets, and this is something which we are learning on.

On the other hand, we also have opened two stores of InTune. I think that's a small number.

What we see is that as the brand matures over a period of time, we will get that strength in the high streets as well. While malls are doing well for us, I think high street is something which we are working on driving through both marketing and repeat customers.

I think that the data which we shared with you in my speech that 49% of my consumers are coming back in again and buying is a very, very healthy number. I think, as we build that repetitive consumer behavior, I think we will be able to drive both high streets and mall spaces stronger.

Avinash Karumanchi

Got it. Can you speak something on the back-end of the supply chain changes that you had done for the InTune, because of which you'll be expecting a better performance going forward?

Kavindra Mishra

Avinash, the back-end changes have happened at three fronts. One in terms of getting the supplier base right, working with more reliable suppliers to ensure that your OTIF becomes better.

I think that's one of the key things which we wanted to drive, to ensure that the product is there on time when it is required. The second thing is on the automation.

Two years back, we launched OneBeat within Shoppers Stop private brands, and we saw a very good, positive impact there. This has now got implemented in InTune, and that's what I was saying, that that's something we'll keep on driving there.

I think the third is we wanted to have more frequent drops, because the focus on freshness is super important in a category like this where at such an infant stage, 49% of the people are coming back and shopping, right? I think that's other thing which we're trying to drive.

Vendor base, ensuring that the automation takes care of the deliveries, and focus on freshness, which means more drops. These are the three fundamental things which we have driven to ensure that InTune productivity goes.

Finally, I think the other project which we're doing right now is to ensure that we are able to reduce the TAT from design to floor, whether it's taking bets on grey fabric to ensure that we are able to get the output faster. I think there's another project which we are working on this.

That's something which is WIP. The other things which I have told you have already been implemented over the past few quarters, and we are now seeing the results of that.

Avinash Karumanchi

Just double tapping on this one, how frequently are the launches currently, because if we speak of one of the competitor who is doing well, every 45 days, the entire store will be with the newer products, the product catalog-wise. How frequent is it, the similar number for us?

Kavindra Mishra

We are ensuring that right now we have moved to a weekly updation of the merchandise. Typically, obviously we are not doing the entire store, but at least 100 to 100 to 150 options or lines, as we call them, are dropping into the stores every week.

Avinash Karumanchi

Got it, sir. Lastly, is there any RM pressure in the InTune private labels?

Kavindra Mishra

Sorry? What pressure?

Avinash Karumanchi

Gross margin, raw material cost pressure, and have you taken any price hikes to offset that? No,

Kavindra Mishra

we don't see that pressure right now with InTune. We have not taken a price hike, but I think, in our mind, we were artificially having a ceiling of 999.

When we started testing out this last year or at the start of this year with a line of 1,299, we realized that both the ROAS or which is the return on ROS, which is the returns on sales, as well as the throughputs are which is the sell-throughs are very high. We are actually building on a nicer product, which is not necessarily a price hike, but a better product and testing out prices at 1,299, 1,499, and we are seeing very, very good success there.

To answer you, no pressure on the margins as of now, and we're also seeing a higher ASP doing well for us.

Avinash Karumanchi

Got it, sir. Got it.

Secondly, regarding the departmental stores, you have raised the guidance on the departmental store additions. Wouldn't it be a challenge finding such a big areas across the country?

Whether these stores are going to be in the existing cities or are you tapping newer cities for this expansion?

Kavindra Mishra

No. That's why, I think, when Avi asked this question about can we open 20 stores or maybe higher stores, the answer was that we are trying to build a healthy pipeline.

Over the next three years, we have a visibility of at least 12 stores every year in terms of addition, but we keep on doing. I think two or three things are happening, Avinash.

One is, our teams are working on building the pipeline. The second is, see, a lot of departmental stores which got signed in 2000 early 2000s are all coming for renewals, right?

Those might be in the places where we currently didn't have a store. Given the fact that we are the only departmental store operator who is now working on premiumization and attracting that kind of consumer which the premium malls want, we will also get spaces from our competitors.

We did one in Pune where we opened a store now, which was with somebody else and we got that. I think that will keep on happening.

Our size is something which we have to have because size is important. As I mentioned, if you premiumize, you should have a nicer walking aisle spaces.

You need to give respect to the brand in terms of spaces they want. We'll keep on working on this.

When I say that we are opening stores, we are looking at a combination of metros, tier 1, and tier 2. In fact, the last two stores which we opened were in Jhansi and Jabalpur, and the next one which we are opening is in Jaipur, which is where we already have three stores.

We will always keep on having a mix of newer cities and more stores in the same city, and I think the response has been encouraging. We know for sure, and we are seeing this our interaction with all the leading developers now, that we are the partner of choice for them.

I think that this whole repositioning in Shoppers Stop 2.0 has helped us to achieve that. As you go up, there are very few operators who work on that kind of a thing.

I think that's where we are seeing a positivity there, Avinash.

Avinash Karumanchi

Okay. Got it, sir.

That has answers a lot of things. One last question if I may ask.

We are mostly likely to be debt-free by the end of this year. With the cash that you'll be generating, what is the plan to deploy that?

Is it be adding more stores, or how are you looking at it?

Pankaj Chaturvedi

Avinash, good question. While we'll achieve our balance sheet robustness that we've set for ourselves, the cash that is generated and all our internal accruals will be used for expansion, expansion in a healthy, profitable manner.

Kavi just mentioned about 12 stores per annum. At the same time, we also discussed how InTune is on course for profitability, there will be some investments required wherever we get right opportunity for InTune as well.

We will grow our distribution business also very rapidly. You've seen the kind of CAGRs that we have achieved on the distribution business.

All these areas, areas of profitable growth, they will need some kind of capital investments, and we'll have internal accruals as well as the balance sheet robustness to fund for that growth.

Avinash Karumanchi

Got it, sir. Thank you.

I'll join the queue.

Operator

Okay. Thank you.

The next question comes from the line of Abhiram Mandowara with Equitas. Please go ahead.

Abhiram Mandowara

Hello. Thank you so much for the opportunity.

My first question is in terms of the distribution, GSS Beauty. Since it's a three-year contract with all the brands, what is the kind of stickiness do we see going forward since the company has scaled up to a larger phase, since there are a lot of competitors out there, like Nykaa, Reliance, etc.

What makes these brands stay sticky and not to not worry to renegotiate the contract, or? Just wanted to understand this business going forward.

Can we see some competitor pressure for the blitz of the newer contract, which could lead to lower margins or lower market share?

Biju Kassim

Hi. Great question.

If you think about it, we were not in the distribution business at all. The sheer fact that we were able to sign contracts with very powerful groups and brands globally confirms that we are doing few things right.

While we don't want to underestimate the competition, and I'm sure competition is here to stay, we believe that certain beliefs and thoughts that we have is making us a very, very preferred partner for the country. Yes, contracts depends.

Largely, it's three years. Some of them five years and some of them beyond that.

Contract is obviously a binding factor, but what is more important is to be able to do a good job for the brand as they see fit, with local adaptations. All these brands have got a very, very strong capabilities in terms of market knowledge, expertise, exposure, marketing might, etc.

What makes us quite different as we believe, is our ability to do a lot of things locally, because we position ourselves as the experts in India. For us, with the legacy of 30-plus years of retail, consumer behavior, and exposure in beauty, we think we're quite qualified and we are able to continue this robustness going forward.

Having said that, we are quite cognizant of the competitive landscape. We respect the competition, because as a distributor, we work with all these partners.

Our philosophy is just to be very, very unbiased, very, very fair to all partners that exist in the ecosystem.

Abhiram Mandowara

Okay. Thank you so much.

My second question is in terms of our InTune.

Operator

Ma'am, I'm sorry to interrupt. Could you please use your handset?

The voice is not coming clear.

Abhiram Mandowara

Yeah. In terms of InTune, our losses have, on a quarter-on-quarter basis, increased by ₹5 crores.

Just wanted to understand that since we're done with our closures and inventory rationalization, A, wanted to understand where is this incremental loss coming from. Second, what kind of further store closures are we looking for in the current year?

Third would be, are we still online to close this year on 40, ₹50 crore losses?

Pankaj Chaturvedi

I think you're referring to Q1 versus Q2, if I understood your question correctly. See, that may not be the right comparison, okay, because of various reasons.

Every quarter is different in nature. The right way to compare is Q2 of this year versus Q2 of last year.

If you see our new ventures performance update, we actually reduced the losses by 33%. I think that would be the right comparison, that's what we have done in H1.

As far as your store closure question is concerned, Kavi did mention that as we continue to improve our margin profile, there may be some part of the tail that we have to cut down. At the same time, when we get the right opportunities, we'll open new stores as well.

We're not averse to opening new stores. We've added two stores in this financial year for InTune as well.

Abhiram Mandowara

Okay. On a net basis, we will be seeing store addition is what you're expecting, on a net basis.

Pankaj Chaturvedi

As of now, yes. As of now, yes.

As we mentioned, as far as InTune is concerned, our strategy is to fix the margin profile and then ramp up. In the process, if we get an opportunity for a right store, we will open it.

At the same time, if we find that any store is where we are losing money, we'll be bold enough to shut it down as well.

Kavindra Mishra

Abhiram, as I mentioned, please wait for Q3 because that's when that's when we will give an update on this. For us, Q3 is super Q- When we are talking about the Q3 results, that is when we will talk about the InTune expansion plan going forward.

All right. Coming to Q3, you've mentioned in your press release that festive like-to-like, we are seeing a mid-teen kind of a growth.

That would be 100% coming from ASP hike, or that would be mix of volume and? Are you asking me that is the hike coming from?

Abhiram Mandowara

Price-led or volume-led, or what would be the mix of the same? No,

Kavindra Mishra

no. That 15% growth or the mid-teen is a mixture of both.

It is around 7% for ASP and the balance 8% because of volume. What we are seeing is that we are able to sell more merchandise and with a higher price.

Abhiram Mandowara

Okay. This will be for the first two weeks, right?

Kavindra Mishra

No. Actually, for Pujo, we have a we have a six-week six-week this thing.

Right now, as we speak, the data I'm talking about to you is at at five weeks are over. This actually is a very, very, very strong data.

It's not a two-week data. For for Pujo, the the Pujo week take till till till Dussehra, till Vijayadashami day.

For all practical purposes, now we have done 37, 38 days, and the mid-teen growth is coming from there. Similarly, the Dussehra number which I told you is also a four-week data.

Right now we are in the last four days. In both the cases, the mid-teen number covers a fair bit of time taken by the stores to see how they how we are performing.

Got it.

Abhiram Mandowara

Got it. In terms of overall departmental stores, are we seeing four new stores this year to bring our total to 12 for the year?

What kind of closures are we seeing there?

Kavindra Mishra

Abhiram, we have opened six stores, and we will till 31st or till 30th September. We'll open six more stores this year.

We are looking at a one or two store closure.

Abhiram Mandowara

Okay. With every store closure, do we see any cost getting optimized or reduced?

Like what would be our ballpark cost that would, fixed cost in nature, which would be reduced for that?

Kavindra Mishra

What we are doing is we are running a very strong project to either turn around the few stores which are loss-making, maybe because the market is shifted or whatever other thing is. Otherwise, I think, if you look at the way we are managing costs quarter-on-quarter, that's super, super tight.

I think we have been quite efficient in controlling costs. In fact, our OPEX is, for more practically purposes, it is flat.

I think looking at a full-year cycle, and with stores coming in, I think it's a very good, strong, tight cost optimization and cost control without compromising on the consumer experience.

Abhiram Mandowara

Got it. Got it.

Currently, we are reading a lot of news that the rentals for the malls, etc. have increased because the vacancies, there's no supply as such.

Are you seeing similar trend when you're saying that you are adding four new departmental stores, etc.? Are you seeing the kind of incremental rental versus your average rental value, and what kind of?

Kavindra Mishra

No, we are not seeing, A, Abhiram, the stores which are opening now must have got signed 24 months back, on an average, right? Second thing is, because, in a lot of cases, we are the only departmental store which is offering that kind of merchandise mix, we are a retailer of choice for the partners, right?

I think it works both ways. We are not seeing that struggle for us.

Abhiram Mandowara

Got it. Okay.

Thank you. Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from the line of Ashutosh Joytiraditya with ICICI Securities.

Please go ahead.

Ashutosh Joytiraditya

Yeah. Thank you, sir, for the opportunity.

My first question is on basically the consumer behavior. If you see across your portfolio maybe on the departmental side, the premium portfolio, which is there, luxury beauty, say, and then the value format in InTune.

Just want to understand, are you seeing any structural shift basically in the consumer spending? Just to give an example, say, a urban pauper, he may be going for the experiential the maybe experimenting with the luxury or say the fragrances of luxury brands, and they might be cutting, say, back on the mainstream apparel portfolio.

Any such thing happening at your portfolio level?

Kavindra Mishra

Thanks, Ashutosh. Great question.

No, so as I mentioned, and I think in my call as well, in my commentary as well, the growth which we are seeing for a mid-teen growth, I think it's a very, very strong growth. I think the markets are strong.

The demand is there, and it's a strong demand. That's the first starting point.

This demand in the previous quarters was aimed more towards the non-apparel, but as I mentioned, what we are seeing now is that fashion is also doing really well, which, for me, is very good because fashion allows customers to come again and again to the retail store, in our case, to Shoppers Stop, and non-apparel or watches and the entire segment helps to drive the ASP. What we are seeing is that demand especially in the festive season has been quite, quite strong, and apparel is also doing very, very, very good numbers, whether it's menswear or women's western or women's Indian.

I think we are seeing a broad demand in premium merchandise across the entire portfolio. Even when we look at our business, and within that, and if we start ranking the brands So, in our portfolio also, our premium brands are doing better than our mid-segment brands.

I think what we are seeing is, and I can't comment upon Diwali because Diwali is just starting. Maybe if this call would have happened 10 days down the line, I would have given you a strong reference of Diwali markets as well.

What we are seeing is that, both for Dussehra and Pujo, the demand is for premium merchandise is quite strong, and it's not limited to non-apparel. It's now broad-based, including fashion and apparel.

Yeah? In terms of InTune, you were asking me, what we are seeing is that because last year, I think, and to be fair, last year, we had a lot of challenges in terms of the merchandise availability, in terms of our operations, which we have corrected now.

That's how we again have a mid-teen growth in our InTune business as well, and we are seeing a strength there. Clearly, the premium brands are doing really well.

The premiumization is really working.

Ashutosh Joytiraditya

Okay. Basically I wanted to understand are the consumers basically cutting on the premium apparel and spending more on the adjacencies like, say, fragrances?

I got my answer. Yeah.

Kavindra Mishra

No. Actually, that's not the case, is what I'm trying to tell you.

This festive, especially for the last five or six weeks, we're seeing that the fashion brands also doing very well.

Ashutosh Joytiraditya

Right. Okay.

Kavindra Mishra

That's a very strong state.

Ashutosh Joytiraditya

Next thing on InTune, I think you have already commented a lot on InTune. Just want to get your sense.

There has been aggressive expansion by other value retailers across geographies. What would be our differentiated strategy to basically keep the footfalls at the store levels high and maybe the conversion rates also at a higher rate?

Any specific strategy which the company is trying to implement?

Kavindra Mishra

As a company, our CRM is a very strong strength for us. In the Shoppers Stop business, our ability to reach out to the customer.

I think that particular piece, we are really, really working in terms of market activation even for InTune, and we are seeing some very, very good successes. That's one.

Second is that, as our positioning is very different from somebody else while others are focused on young fashion, we are more a family-led business where kids wear plays an important role. We are a young family, and we are not necessarily the Gen Zs.

There is a positioning difference. This positioning difference was always there.

The product differentiation was also there, because I think our products generally are very good. What we are able to do now, and which I think will give us a very good Q3 and subsequent quarters is, our ability to engage with the customer, get the operations right, get freshness in the store.

Right now, if you ask me, Ashutosh, we are just focusing on this. In terms of our competitors opening more stores, the market size is huge and the market will continue to formalize and from non-organized to organized, that will keep on happening.

There will be enough spaces for us to acquire. I think we have had two quarters of strong recovery.

This Q3 and what I'm saying right now is what I maintained in Q1 call as well or Q4 last year call as well, that give us time till end of December to completely get the processes right, and then we will start the journey of opening stores post that.

Ashutosh Joytiraditya

Okay. Understood, sir.

One last question, I don't know if anyone has already asked. On the debt thing, you have mentioned that it will be basically paid, all the debts will be cleared by Q3 '27.

Now we have turned positive this quarter. Just want to understand how will this repayment be done?

It will be through the cash generation, or maybe some optimization on the working capital side? Just want to understand on that.

Pankaj Chaturvedi

Okay. Large part of the working capital optimization has been done and the good practices will continue.

As far as debt reduction is concerned, it will be purely on account of the internal accruals and the strong EBITDA momentum that we have got.

Ashutosh Joytiraditya

Okay. Sure.

Pankaj Chaturvedi

Yeah? Okay.

Ashutosh Joytiraditya

Thank you, sir.

Pankaj Chaturvedi

Thanks.

Ashutosh Joytiraditya

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. The next question comes from the line of Yash with YES Securities.

Please go ahead.

Yash Nathwani

Hello. Am I audible, sir?

Pankaj Chaturvedi

Yes, Yash, you are.

Yash Nathwani

Thank you so much for the opportunity. Sir, I don't know if this is asked before, but I want to know about the margins of the beauty retail.

If you compare it with the beauty distribution and the department stores' beauty counters. The comparison.

Hello?

Pankaj Chaturvedi

Yes. See, the beauty margins are relatively better than the overall margin of a departmental store, if I think that is your question.

Yeah.

Yash Nathwani

Departmental store and beauty distribution, too.

Biju Kassim

Okay. Even in beauty distribution, the margins continue to be healthy.

Yes, the brand portfolio is bit different because we are importing from various leading brands. We are also promoting them through aggressive marketing.

At a gross margin level, the margins are pretty healthy. You can see that in the overall profitability numbers of our distribution business.

Yash Nathwani

Yes. Will we be able to sustain that?

Biju Kassim

Absolutely, yes. All the new contracts that we are entering into, they are either at the same or higher margins.

There is no question of margins going down.

Yash Nathwani

Okay. Thank you so much for the answer.

My next question would be, what are the brand concentration risk in distribution? What is the contract duration with the top brands?

Biju Kassim

Sorry, what was the first part of your question?

Yash Nathwani

What are the

Biju Kassim

brand concentration risk? Okay.

Basically, there are two large cohorts that we look at. One is powerful brands and powerful groups.

Normally, if you look at categories, of course, you have makeup, skin care, fragrance, hair care, etc. From our point of view, we look at every potential brand group that could do well from a Indian perspective.

The starting point was that we were and we continue to be heavily focused, or let's say, playing in the luxury segment. There are quite a strong portfolio of brands that's also in the lifestyle segment.

Obviously, there's a play in the masstige segment, but we are quite careful there to select brands that gets the right commercials, because at the end of the day, we also are cognizant of the local market players, D2C brands, etc., etc.? That is if I've answered the first part of the question.

For the second part of the question, as I mentioned earlier also, that is important and sacred, but at the end of the day, it all depends on how good you do the job for the brand. For us, it is a global perspective with local twist, local adaptation.

Yeah. Having said that, brand contracts can be 2-year to 5-year contracts.

It can go even upwards of that. It's a function of how confident each partners are and how much we want to take the leap of faith for the future.

Yash Nathwani

Okay. Thank you, sir, for your answer.

Sir, my next question would be regarding beauty stores opening. What competitor impact do you see from competitors like Nykaa, Tira, and Sephora?

As

Biju Kassim

I think Kavi clearly mentioned, that we have a particular position that we believe that we have a right to win. Our focus is quite on the consumer engagement and the experience.

I think, for a market like India, which is still quite I wouldn't want to use the word nascent, but still very small when it comes to organized retail, we have a lot of opportunity to coexist. I think it is for the right to win for each of the partners to decide how aggressive they want to take it.

We want to get the fundamentals right. We have been in the space for a long time, and we think that we will continue to be focused on this category as such.

Yash Nathwani

Okay. Thank you, sir.

If I'm allowed to ask one more question, then what is the share of company's own D2C beauty brands, if you can tell me?

Biju Kassim

Sorry, can you repeat?

Yash Nathwani

What is the share of company's own D2C beauty brands?

Biju Kassim

It's very, very small, very, very small, negligible as of now,

Kavindra Mishra

Yash.

Yash Nathwani

Sir. Thank you for that.

Kavindra Mishra

Yeah.

Operator

Thank you. Participants who wish to ask a question may press star and one.

The next question comes from the line of Prakash, an individual investor. Please go ahead.

Jai Prakash

Good evening. Thank you for the opportunity.

I am being a retail investor with the Shoppers Stop for the 2 years. I have only one question for Mr.

Kavindra Mishra. Sir, is there any value creation for the investors, because last 2 years, there has been a negative return for the retail investor around 60% to 65%.

Is there any discussion in the board about value creation for the investors?

Kavindra Mishra

Thank you, Mr. Prakash, for asking this question.

No. I think we have also chatted about this before.

As you are seeing that our focus is to drive the business productivity and profitability, we have gone through some difficult time because of whatever reasons it might be, but I think we are on the cusp of seeing a breakout now. Please have some more patience.

I requested some amount of patience from you, and thank you for that. I think if we have this question in the next quarter, the quarter after, I think we will be in a better position to address your concerns.

I just wanted to assure you that from our side, whether it's the teams or whether it is a thing, we are seeing some stand-out performances happening, and you will be pleasantly surprised the way things are going to happen. Because I think there is a festive shift, the very fact that we have been able to grow our business and profitability over the previous year, I think it's a remarkable turnaround, and you will see the same journey going forward.

Thank you for the trust, and hopefully, we will pay back handsomely to you. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Deepali Kumari with Arihant Capital Markets Limited.

Please go ahead. Yeah.

Deepali Kumari

Thank you for the opportunity, sir. Sir, other income has risen sharply this quarter and seems to be main reason for that turned positive.

Could you break down how much of it is one-off versus recurring since there have been one-off gains in most recent quarters? What would be PAT is we're excluding these items and by when do you expect core operation to be profitable on their own?

Pankaj Chaturvedi

Pankaj this side. Let me just clarify.

There are no one-offs and whatever results that you have seen are purely operational.

Deepali Kumari

Okay. And?

Okay. Sir, what is the age inventory like over 180 days and the markdown provisions?

Pankaj Chaturvedi

Let me again clarify. While that's too sensitive a information to disclose about aging of our inventory, but what I can tell you is that the inventory profile has improved significantly as compared to aging profile.

The amount of liquidation that we've done off the aged inventory is also very substantial. On that note, you can also see the kind of working capital improvement that have taken place in our cash flow statement.

It's on a very high improving trend. That's what I can tell you.

Deepali Kumari

Okay. Sir, what is the separation between stores and e-commerce, and how much of the online sales are omnichannel, like pick from store?

Kavindra Mishra

For us, e-commerce mix is around 3% to 4%, depending upon the categories. Is that the question which you are asking, Deepali?

Deepali Kumari

From e-commerce, how much you do the direct sale? No,

Kavindra Mishra

yeah, around 4% is what's our e-commerce business.

Deepali Kumari

Got it. Sir, what is the private labels beyond apparel, and what is the roadmap for that?

No,

Kavindra Mishra

our private label businesses or what we call as Shoppers Stop brands are primarily based in fashion. We do have a very small, as I mentioned before, that we have a very small mix of our beauty brands which are in this, but I think that's negligible.

Whatever you see private brands, 99% of that is basically fashion, and I did speak about that in terms of the profitability which they are driving for us as an organization.

Deepali Kumari

Sir. One more question.

What is the customer acquisition cost on the business digital channel, if you can give me some idea? See,

Kavindra Mishra

for us, I think the beauty of Shoppers Stop is that we try to use and drive business to our First Citizen database. Unlike a lot of other retailers who need or e-commerce players who need to build through performance marketing a huge new customer this thing, for us, the focus is to use our First Citizen.

While that information is too sensitive to disclose, I'm just trying to tell you that for us, the focus is more towards driving our omni behavior through the First Citizen customer, right?

Deepali Kumari

Sir. Got it.

Thank you so much.

Kavindra Mishra

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, that was the last question for today.

With that, we conclude today's conference call on behalf of Shoppers Stop Limited. That concludes this conference.

Thank you for joining us, and you may now disconnect your lines. Thank you.