Espen Gylvik
Hi and welcome to the Q1 earnings call for Cyviz. My name is Espen Gylvik, and with me, I have our new CFO, Lars Hjarrand.
Lars, do you want to just introduce yourself?
Lars Hjarrand
Sure. My name is Lars Hjarrand, and I joined Cyviz at the end of March.
Prior to joining Cyviz, I have about 20-plus years of similar roles experience in different companies, both in Norway and abroad, both listed companies and privately owned companies. I'm very excited to join the Cyviz team.
Espen Gylvik
Thank you, and we are very, very happy to have you on board. Just going through the agenda quite fast.
Of course, we will go through Q1 in a brief: the performance, some business highlights, Q1 financials, a little bit around how we see the market going forward, and then, as we always do at the end, a Q&A. Let's just kick it off.
Q1 was, I would say, an interesting and somewhat challenged quarter. The underlying momentum in our business in the U.S.
and European market has moved on quite well. Both regions delivered more or less on plan, and we had a significant offset by the geopolitical situation in the Middle East, the war in Iran, impacting the Q1 numbers quite significantly.
I will go through that when we take the numbers by itself. Order intake landed at 99 million.
As I said, quite negatively affected by Middle East, approximately 30 million NOK, that we didn't lose, but we didn't bring it in due to the conflict. There wasn't any chance to have formal meetings across Abu Dhabi and Dubai and parts of Saudi during two of the months in the quarter.
We do see today positive uptake in meeting frequency across the whole region, and as the world is right now, Q1 looks significantly better for the region. We do hope and aim to at least be back on plan for the second quarter when it comes to order intake also in that region.
Revenue landed at 108 million, which is down 27 million from previous years. Of course, also impacted from the conflict in Middle East.
ARR, which is important for us as a company, we have talked about the pivoting we are working on as a company, more towards partner-driven sales of Cyviz core technology, and of course the ARR component and the subscription business, landed at 66 million, quite stable since previous quarter. I think it's important to mention that we had one cancellation of a very, very old customer in U.S.
on the support and maintenance agreement in the range of 350,000 dollars, which we have compensated with new customers in the quarter, hence balancing where we went out of Q4 when we go out of Q1. I will talk more about the new software management platform that we launched the 16th of April slightly later today.
Gross profit of 56 million NOK, still very strong margin. We are still managing to deliver margins above 50%, 52% for the quarter.
It's still then down 18 million from last year, again back to the order intake and the revenue side, of course impacting also the gross profit, hence also the EBITDA, which landed at minus 15 million, which is 16 million below what it was last year. As you can see on the 12-month rolling, the order intake a year ago, 641, now 618.
If we had added 30 million in Middle East on top of that, we would have been at 648, which would still be a positive development of order intake. We are not incorporating the impact on the currency of dollars in this case.
This is with actual dollars. Gross profit, same trend from 315 to 284.
Still would be in line with 315 without the impact on the Middle East business in Q1. Then a significant drop on the rolling 12 months on EBITDA, which also is largely explained by one defense deal for delivery that moved from Q1 to Q2 and the situation in Middle East.
If we look a bit more on the order intake and backlog development, also to put some color on things, as I have mentioned a couple of times now, the order intake for Europe and North America is on track. It means that the operational underlying business in those two regions is running as planned.
Trend looks similar for Q2, and the Middle East part then went 30 million short, making the numbers as it is. The geopolitical situation is also delaying some decision-making process in the federal space and also in the private enterprise space in Middle East.
During Q1, we have seen a positive uptake in Q2, where we already have signed significant deals, one with one of the largest energy companies in Saudi in the range of slightly more than 3 million dollars. It seems like that type of deals, there have gone out of the pipeline, and the pipeline continues to be strong and continue to build up.
We talked about for, I think, six months one of the additional bets we see for the company, which would be directed to the defense sector, and we see a strong build-up of pipeline and cases in the defense sector, especially in the European market. We can talk a little bit more about that when we get to the outlook side.
Of course strong start to Q2 orders, and we do expect in the second quarter to get back to growth. However, I think it's important to mention that despite the situation in Middle East that pulled us back 30 million in Q1, the backlog, which is cases signed, future money, is up 6% compared to Q1 in 2025.
I think that is an indication that the underlying business in the other regions are running quite well. Some of the highlights in the quarter: We signed a very strategic important energy deal in Texas, U.S.
It's a continue on a customer we started to develop in 2025. We do anticipate that journey to continue during 2026 with a lot of interesting cases.
Hopefully by next presentation, we will be able to talk more about additional deal within that customer. One of the first really significant strategically important defense deals in Europe, slightly more than 30 million NOK, was signed in the quarter.
We are now capitalizing and building with our partners on that deal with additional opportunities for defense. A smaller deal in the financial district in Saudi, the long-term customer with Cyviz that has come back in U.S., which is positive, a customer that hasn't bought anything the last five, six years and now they are starting to look at upgrading.
I think it's a strong sentiment for the technology that we provide that they choose to come back and ask us to do the upgrades. A Fortune 500 global consultancy company, we delivered a solution for them in Dubai, and a retail health customer and a new educational university in India, which is important for the journey we have in the Indian market.
I think the key message here is quite clear. If you look at order intake by vertical, you see that we are starting to increase the verticals we work with.
That type of diversification is important also to reduce risk. If it's a small drop inside one of them, we can compensate with other verticals that has higher investments appetite in the period.
You can also see that defense, which has been a tiny, tiny portion of verticals historically, is now the largest vertical in the quarter with 36%. Energy continues to be significant, the same as corporate.
I think those are the three key verticals for growth going forward as well. On the right side, it's just a visual view on the world.
Europe had 51%, North America 35%, and then Middle East with 13%. For those of you that have followed us quarter by quarter over the last years would probably recall that Middle East normally accounts for 30 to 35% of the business by quarter.
This is just a reflection of the situation that region has been through in Q1. On the ARR side, which is very important for us, we have ambitious targets for ending this year on the ARR side.
Quite stable in the quarter. We grew that, if you compare to the cancellation of the deal, with roughly 3.5 million in the quarter net.
These are real ARR numbers. It's not an aggregated view.
This is a billable number. Maybe the most important thing, we have talked about the new software management platform for many quarters now, the future of the company.
The really, really new software management platform launch happened during April 16th. I think an important factor, we did that with a global launch and also a launch for Middle East and APAC.
I think we had more than 400 participants joining in for nearly 90-minute presentation, and the feedback has been fantastic from all of them. We are now starting to run paid POCs, or proof of concepts, with a lot of partners and customers.
This is where the ARR growth going into the second half of the year is going to come. Important note: we have already migrated three of our largest global accounts over to the software management platform, which will generate significant software subscription revenue to the remainder of 2026.
The effect of those three is not incorporated in the numbers here that says 66 million. The pivoting we have talked about has largely been centered around finding, educating and initiating the right partners to go out and sell Cyviz Core technology, which is our controller software, our video processor and our software platform, and enable and allow partners to go out and actually deliver complete turnkey Cyviz solutions to customers in a larger reach than we can do with our own people.
We already have 25 partners signed. I think that's more than significant, and it also has a good distribution geographically.
The important thing is now to help them start selling more so that that scales up. We continue to build partner pipeline, but I think the key thing is to really start scaling up the sales funnel with these partners on the CCT.
We see now into Q2 that a much more significant part of our forecast in the quarter is related to Cyviz Core tech sold through partners than it has been before. Then one of the key elements of the future of the company, the software management platform, 31 partners have signed by the end of Q1 to go out and sell and deliver and install and build managed services around our platform to customers.
I think that's a significant, important number. We have advanced discussions and paid trials with 13 more partners, there is a good type of influx of partners that would like to work with us.
Some of them are global, some of them are regional and some of them are local. The spread related to where we are and where we do our business is quite important.
We already have eight end customers hosted in the new Cyviz Cloud, they are payable customers, and we continue to actively build the partner pipeline. When we get into Q2, when we will start also to report by product group and not overall, we will dissect on the Cyviz Core tech and the development on the ARR software management platform to give more insight also to how these business areas are developing for us as a company.
Then I think I hand over to Lars to talk about the financials.
Lars Hjarrand
Thank you, Espen. Looking at some of the key financials for the quarter, Espen has been through some, but on the revenue side we ended at 107.5 million, and it was negatively affected by the situation in the Middle East, but also some delayed contracts and FX that hit us.
When it comes to gross profit, the absolute value of 56 million is low, and that is obviously related to the revenues for the quarter. When that said, the gross margin in percentage was 52%, which is quite healthy and in line with the previous quarter's average.
The EBITDA ended at negative 14.8 million, and this is obviously based on the gross profit, coupled with the operational expenses, which has been stable at 70 million for the last couple of quarters. We have, as a result of this, implemented a cost optimization program where we look at different activities and how we can reduce the cost going forward in response to the quarter that we have had.
Related to that also is that we have increased the RCF credit limit from 75 million to 100 million NOK, and we have also then received an approved waiver for the covenants for the coming few quarters. Looking at the order intake, I think Espen has been through it, but we were definitely negatively affected by the situation in the Middle East, and the underlying business activity levels in Europe and North America has been quite good, and we see good trajectory in Q2.
Looking at the operating cash flow for the first quarter, we had obviously starting out with the negative profit before tax, but then we have actively worked on the working capital part, we have a positive impact from the accounts receivable, which has been reduced. Inventories are pretty stable, and we also then reduced the accounts payable, which had some negative impact, and coupled that with the add-back of depreciation, we ended the quarter with a positive operating cash flow of 5.3 million.
Espen Gylvik
Let's spend some minutes on the outlook side. As you can see, the slide is somewhat similar to what it has been over the last quarters, and that is just related to that we have a very clear four-year plan for the company, and the task ahead is to capitalize on the fundament we built in 2025 on the technology side and the partner side to drive core business, new products and services, and of course cost optimization.
We are very focused on looking at how we can improve margins, how we can balance cost versus what we do, and add new services that is largely subscription-based to enhance the margins and also the revenue growth. We have for a period now put a much tighter process in place for collecting cash, improve the contractual agreements we have with our vendors, so that we have better terms with vendors than we have with our customers, shorter payment terms from customers, longer with vendors, also to secure that the cash flow component is more under control.
You look at Q2, good start on the Q2 orders. I think the pipeline growth in defense in particular and also in corporate business is significantly improved during the first four months of this year.
We do expect significant uptake in deals in the defense sector during the second half of the year, late Q2 and in the early stage of Q3. The same goes for the corporate enterprise space where we have customers that want to modernize and upgrade their technology centers across multiple locations around the world.
Some of the key elements is the thing I was talking about when it comes to our core technology kit. We need to scale through partner ecosystem, because selling Cyviz core tech kit through partners would reduce cost of selling.
It will enhance the margin, because we have significantly better margins on the products, both software and hardware, we develop ourselves, than adding the third-party elements. It's a key element to reach broader out in the market, enhance the gross margin and the margin on the products we sell, and through that also improve the profitability of the company.
Then on the software management platform and the services related to that, which is a pure subscription-based platform, the key thing is to upgrade all existing Cyviz customers that is on a perpetual on-prem Cyviz platform today and over to the new one, and then of course enable the partner ecosystem to bring that platform out to a much, much broader set of customers, so that we can build and increase a much more predictable revenue stream through subscription-based revenue. Last but not least, capitalize on the increased defense budgets we know is present in the European market and also partly within NATO.
We have a very strong position today within defense in Europe. We are one of the few companies that has all the four NATO certified agreements in place.
We are capable to deliver NATO secured solutions both on-prem, but also in a mobile context. We are already today providing customers with stationary operations centers and control rooms, but also mobile operations centers and control rooms that has the TEMPEST NATO certified security clearance.
We are quite positive when it comes to the development of defense, not just in 2026, but for the next four or five years, and we are in a position to capitalize on that. We are also now working on additional partnerships to enhance our offering into the defense sector.
With that, I think we move into Q&A. I'm going to change my specs.
Okay. We start.
Jeg tenker at vi kan ta spørsmålene på norsk, tenker jeg, så vi helt sikre på at vi får adressert det riktig. Så det et spørsmål fra Kim Erik Lokker.
La oss ta det siste spørsmålet først da. Samtidig som dere i brudd med covenanter knyttet til revolver-fasilitet hos DNB, velger dere å øke kredittrammen fra 75 til 100 millioner.
Dere klarer ikke å omdanne EBITDA nok til cash, og det fremstår litt retningsløst hvordan dere skal komme dere ut av likviditetskrisen. Det overhengende fare for emisjon?
Vil du svare på det, eller skal jeg ta? Ja, det et helt legitimt og veldig, veldig godt spørsmål.
Vi ser ikke i dag at det en overhengende fare for å gjøre en emisjon. Og det handler jo om at vi sitter og jobber med cash forecast mer eller mindre ukentlig i selskapet.
Vi sitter og mapper det som av cases som kommer inn, betalingsbetingelsene på disse, versus det vi har av leverandørbetalinger. Grunnen til at vi har løftet kredittfasiliteten også for å gi oss selv litt mer fleksibilitet på tvers av kvartaler, fordi at fortsatt så mer enn 80 prosent av butikken vår prosjektdrevet, og det innbefatter også en noe grad av usikkerhet i forhold til når ting blir levert ferdigstilt, som igjen påvirker når betalingsstrømmene fra kundene kommer.
Men vi gjorde senest i går ettermiddag en grundig vurdering av det, og vi ser ikke i dag at det fare for noen form for emisjonsbehov. Og så det ingen av oss som vet hvordan verden kommer til å være i morgen, eller om en måned, eller to måneder, eller tre måneder, og om det tas opp den problemstillingen som har vært gjennom første kvartal i Midtøsten på nytt igjen, og at det kan skape et helt annet scenario.
Det kan vi egentlig ikke hverken spekulere i eller forskuttere i. Men det vi ser i hvert fall av vår business og vår drift fremover, så det ingen overhengende fare for at vi trenger å gjøre noen emisjon eller kriseemisjon, hvis det det som spørsmålet.
Så spørsmålet: Hvordan kan dere prate om sterkt momentum i backloggen når den har ligget flat i tre år, mens totalmarkedet dere opererer i vokser med tosifrede prosenter årlig? Ja, det et godt spørsmål, og det nok en sannhet med en del modifikasjoner.
Hvis vi isolerer det til de områdene vi opererer i innenfor de markedene vi opererer i, så det ikke nødvendigvis en tosifret vekst i den delen av den industrien vi opererer i de siste årene. Og det ser vi også hvis vi ser på de store globale selskapene som Diversified og AVSPL.
Innenfor samme kjerneområder så har de hatt alt fra minus 30 prosent vekst til minus 12 prosent vekst. Det vi ser nå at momentumet for vekst i stor grad knyttet til nye produkter og tjenester, og det har vært noe av grunnen til at det har vært viktig for oss å bruke tre og et halvt år og utvikle en helt ny softwareplattform som markedsledende og som skal være fundamentet for å bygge langt mer forutsigbare inntektsstrømmer for oss som selskap.
Vi kan ta det siste spørsmålet som kom der også. De siste fem årene har dere hatt fire forskjellige CFOer.
I samme periode har market cap falt med 30 prosent, mens Oslo Børs og teknologiindeksen Nasdaq har steget 67-69 prosent. Med slik massiv underperformance i forhold til markedet, har styreleder og/eller CEO vurdert om det riktig å lede selskapet videre?
Det jo et spørsmål som der hele tiden. Min jobb som CEO ikke å vurdere min egen stilling.
Det det styret som må ta stilling til og vurdere om jeg den som rett til å lede selskapet eller ikke. Og så tror jeg andre får gjøre en vurdering av om styreleder rett til å være styreleder eller ikke i selskapet.
Og så det alltid sånn at det årsaker, valide årsaker, til hvorfor man gjør skifte på roller. Ja, vi har hatt relativt hyppige skifte av CFO i selskapet, men det ganske forskjellige grunner til hvorfor de skiftene har kommet, uten at jeg skal gå altfor mye i detalj på det.
Jeg veldig trygg og veldig fornøyd med å ha fått Lars om bord, og jeg tror Lars kommer til å gjøre en fantastisk jobb for selskapet som CFO i Syvis. Når det gjelder market cap på selskapet, så tror jeg det veldig mange variabler som påvirker det, uten at vi skal spekulere eller gå altfor mye i dybden.
Men det klart hvis vi ser på aksjonærstrukturen og hvor mye aksjer som tilgjengelig, eller free float det i markedet, så kan det ha en betydning. Og så det ikke sånn at vi kjempefornøyd med de resultatene vi har levert heller.
Men om det reflekterer riktig prising i dag i markedet eller ikke, det opp til meg å gjøre en vurdering av. Det må andre mene noe om.
Skal vi se. Hvordan tror dere forsvarsvertikalen kommer til å utvikle seg fremover, og hvorfor skal dere lykkes med det?
Vi vet jo at forsvarsvertikalen utvikles, for vi kan gå inn og se hvordan pipelineen vår har utviklet seg fra i fjor til nå. Så hvis vi ser på hva pipelineen av forsvarsrelaterte case var i oktober i fjor, så den cirka fire til fem ganger større når vi gikk ut av april enn det den var i oktober.
Og det langt flere inngående forespørsler også knyttet til forsvarsrelaterte prosjekter. Mange av de tar ganske lang tid, men betalingsviljen veldig høy.
Muligheten til å opprettholde gode marginer på de prosjektene vesentlig bedre enn i privat sektor. Så for oss så dette kanskje vertikalmessig det viktigste nye tilskuddet av vertikaler for å drive lønnsom vekst fremover.
Og så spørsmålet hvorfor skal vi lykkes? For det første så har vi allerede fått på plass en god del strategisk viktige partnerskap i Europa med partnere som da jobber aktivt med forsvar, enten i form av at de eier og fasiliterer alle bygg forsvar i på tvers av land i Europa, eller at de jobber strategisk inn på leveransesiden.
Og vi har allerede referanseprosjekter både på tradisjonelle mission critical kontrollrom inne hos forsvarskunder i Europa og blant de første til å levere mobile kontrollrom også til NATO direkte. Så teknologisk sett så vi bedre posisjonert enn veldig mange andre.
Vi har sertifiseringene som nødvendige og vi har også sikkerhetselementene knyttet til teknologien vi bruker som NATO-godkjent for å levere de mest optimale sikre løsningene. Summen av det viktig for at vi skal lykkes fremover forsvar.
Siste spørsmål. Lansering av softwareplattformen for ARR fremover.
Strukturen på den modellen da. For det første så det en ren softwarebasert plattform.
Vi kan levere den i skyen hos Amazon, Microsoft, whatever. Vi kan levere den i en egen servicerelatert sky og vi kan levere den on-prem.
Så kundene har egentlig alle de mulighetene og fleksibilitetene som nødvendige for at dette skal kunne leveres. Den plattformen kan levere tjenester som spenner langt utenfor det vi opererer med, altså som kontrollrom, teknologisentere, møterom, etc.
fordi at den har veldig få begrensninger i forhold til hva den kan monitorere og drive management av. Vi ser etterspørselen og forespørselen fra strategiske partner og konkurrenter med spørsmål om å få lov til å ta med seg den plattformen ut til sine kunder.
Og den har en betalingsmodell som bygd for skalering. Den nye softwareplattformen, plattformen som sådan, tar vi årlig like mye for som vi gjorde for den som var one-off og perpetual historisk.
Det som skal drive volumet når kunden har behov for å koble mange rom på den plattformen for å drive management og monitorering. Det der abonnementsinntektene skal komme.
Og så kan man jo bare spekulere i en del av den kundebasen vi har, hvor vi har kunder som kanskje har 10-15 000 rom rundt omkring i verden, som de etter hvert trenger å få inn i samme infrastruktur for å drive management, monitorering og remote access og support på. Det det plattformen gir av verdi til disse kundene.
Da vet jeg ikke om det var flere spørsmål. Repetisjon tålbar.
Jo, det kom et på slutten her. Pexip is selling off cloud systems while you have developed a strategy in cloud.
Pexip is performing better, why?
Lars Hjarrand
Altså Pexip
Espen Gylvik
leverer jo en løsning som utelukkende abonnementsbasert eller softwarebasert. De har greid å bygge opp en veldig solid, god recurring base av inntekter på kundene sine.
Og vi ser også på Pexip som en mulig partner, spesielt da inn mot forsvarssektoren. Så det kan hende at vi kommer med noen interessante caser sammen med Pexip på et eller annet tidspunkt som partner.
Da tror jeg ikke det var så mye flere spørsmål. Nei, sier ikke det var flere spørsmål da, så tror jeg vi bare sier tusen takk for veldig gode og viktige spørsmål og for deltakelsen.
Og så ses vi igjen om cirka tre måneder, og så får folk ha en riktig god dag. Takk for oss.
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