Jacktel AS

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Q1 FY2026 · Earnings Call TranscriptMay 27, 2026

Moderator

My name is Øyvind Larssen, and I will be your moderator today. You have a Q&A function at the top of your screen where you can ask questions, and I will read them out after the company has presented.

The questions will be asked anonymously. With that, I'll leave the word to Harald Thorstein and Daniel Samuelsen, which will go through the presentation.

Harald Thorstein

Thank you very much, Øyvind. Let's start on the summary slide.

Jacktel had another quarter with 100% operational and financial utilization. We delivered an EBITDA of $8.8 million.

We had a net profit of $2.3 million. We had a strong cash flow in the quarter, bringing our net interest-bearing debt down to $44 million.

By end of the quarter, we had firm EBITDA backlog of $58 million, and $82 million if you include our options. In March, we secured another extension with Equinor, bringing the firm contract with Equinor to 27 17th of May, 27th of May.

That is today, we are now done with the Equinor contract. As we speak, Haven is in transit from Draupner, where we have worked with Equinor, to Valhall, where we will commence our contract with Aker BP.

We are getting back to the details here. Paying dividends is a key priority for Jacktel, and we are pleased to announce a distribution of 2.5 cents per share for the first quarter of 2026.

As you have seen, that dividend will be paid the 11th of June. In Q1, we reached another milestone, which was the listing on Euronext Growth.

This is something we have had contemplated for a year. We were just keen on finding the right timing, the right window.

Happy with the process. We got listed in March, and here we are.

If you take us to the next slide, Øyvind. As I said, dividend is a key priority for us and the board of Jacktel.

The board aims at distributing all excess cash to shareholders on a quarterly basis. The dividend declared today is our third quarterly dividend payment.

We paid our first dividend following the Q3 last year in 2025. This was kind of a catch-up dividend, being triggered by the refinancing we did in October last year.

That dividend was quite a lot higher than the cash flow we had in Q3 2025. We paid 5 cents per share for Q3 2025.

Then for Q4 2025, we paid 2 cents, and now increased that dividend, or the dividend for Q1 2026, to 2.5 cents per share. We are keen to continue paying these quarterly dividends.

If we look into the simple bar chart on the right-hand side on the slide, we illustrate our kind of cash flow forecast for 2026. Our EBITDA forecast in 2026 is approximately $40 million.

We believe we will deliver $40 million. That's the starting point.

Then we are paying amortization of $10 million, reducing our debt of $10 million through the financial year of 2026. Then we pay interest on our debt on $6.5 million.

Then we have a very small amount of CapEx scheduled for 2026. That brings the cash generation following debt service to approximately $23 million per share.

What is not included in this overview is the proceeds we raised when we did the small capital raise for our Euronext Growth listing of approximately $3 million. There is $3 million that has been brought into the company in addition to this.

As you see from that, that will bring the cash generation following debt service and CapEx close to 10 cents per share for 2026. This should give you a good proxy for our dividend capacity or distribution for the coming quarters.

What we want to address is that our amortization is quite steep. We pay $10 million in amortization per year, which we believe is good and prudent today.

That means that we are quickly reducing our debt and interest cost, which is good. Following the $5 million amortization we paid in April this year, our gross debt today is $65 million.

According to our loan agreement, that amortization will continue to be $10 million going forward. What we see is that when the debt is down to around $50 million, which it will be 1.5 years from now, we believe we should target a debt structure with no amortization.

We believe $50 million is a kind of good long-term debt level for the company, where basically we see no reason to have any amortization if you are down to $50 million. That means after 1.5 years from now, if we do this and are successful, we are increasing our distribution capacity from where we are today, meaning you don't have the amortization of $10 million, and our interest cost should also be reduced.

There is no immediate plans to refinance the company. We will continue with the current debt we have, at least for 1.5 years from now.

This is just a highlighting that there is further potential down the road by reducing the amortization. For now, we are happy with amortization, and that brings down interest costs and is reducing our debt.

Okay, Øyvind. Daniel, operational update?

Daniel Samuelsen

Thanks, Harald. Yes.

Haven has been on contract with Equinor at the Draupner field the entire quarter, and delivered 100% gangway connection and a smooth operation. In March, Equinor extended the contract to 27th of May, meaning that Haven will be towed directly from Draupner to Valhall, eliminating the gap between the contracts, increasing the utilization, and saving cost.

As Harald said, we have jacked down Haven at Draupner and have commenced the tow to Valhall, and we are currently being steadily towed by Skandi Master and Tour Viking. We had no high-potential incidents in Q1, but we had a lost-time incident when a crew member tripped over a pipe and fractured his elbow.

Can move to the next slide.

Harald Thorstein

Thank you, Daniel. This slide shows the contract overview for Jacktel as of today.

As we said, we just finalized our Equinor contract. Pleased to say that the feedback we received from Equinor is that they are very happy with our operations.

We have delivered 100% gangway connection, stable, good operations throughout the 19 19 months we have worked with Equinor. Now the focus is the next contract, which will commence shortly with Aker BP.

Expect to commence that in the coming days. The Aker BP contract is 15 months firm plus 6 months options, taking the contract into 2028.

We are very confident and strongly believe that the options will be exercised. We had the same view on the Equinor contract.

On the Equinor contract, the options were exercised, and we were also able to secure some additional extension on the contract. We have a bit the same view with Aker BP on the Valhall project.

Let's see. Our focus now is to mobilize safely to Valhall, connect Haven with the gangway, and get started on the contract and deliver good operations to Aker BP.

Let's see what happens with the options and with the contract. If you go to the next page, Øyvind, this slide shows our EBITDA backlog.

As you see, in 2026, our EBITDA is forecasted to be $40 million. 2027, including options, the estimate is $44 million.

As you see, it's higher than 2026. That reflects slightly improved commercial terms in the contract we now are about to start with Aker BP.

Obviously, the focus we have now is to build that backlog into 2028 and beyond. I'll get back to that in summary of this presentation, but we are positive to the market and to our ability of securing additional backlog, in particular in the oil and gas market, where we work today.

We also see opportunities in the offshore wind market. We have referred to one example here, which is Macro Offshore, where Daniel is the CFO.

They manage Haven. They have another rig in their fleet that they own, and they secured a 6 years firm plus 4-year options contract with Siemens Energy for that rig in Q4 last year.

Crossway Eagle, which is that rig, is a slightly smaller rig than we have with Haven, so that contract was not an option for Haven, but it highlights how the operators in the offshore wind industry see accommodation as a potential bottleneck going forward securing that capacity. That could also be a long-term opportunity for us.

If we continue, Øyvind, and we go more into the details of the income statement, Daniel?

Daniel Samuelsen

Yeah. In Q1, Jacktel received charter hire of $15.3 million from Equinor and had $0.6 [million?]

in reimbursable items. Operating expenses equaled $7 million, where 5.6 of six of these relate to vessel opex, $0.4 [million?]

to reimbursable costs, and $1 million to SG&A. We have seen some increase in vessel opex in the quarter due to some helicopter delays and increased sick leave, which are both seasonal for crew members, as well as some strengthening of NOK compared to dollar.

SG&A-wise, we had some increase due to one-off items related to the Euronext Growth listing. Jacktel had an EBITDA of $8.8 million and a net profit of $2.3 million in Q1.

If we move on to the balance sheet. The only asset of Jacktel is the 2011-built accommodation rig Haven.

We had a substantial cash position of $26.3 million per Q1. The interest-bearing debt that we have on our balance sheet relates to the $70 million bond loan, which is listed on the Nordic ABM.

If we move on to the cash flow. We had strong cash flow from our operating activities amounting to $8.1 million.

Net cash flow from financing activities amounted to $2.7 million due to the capital increase related to being listed on Euronext Growth. We do pay installments and interest in April and October on our bond loan, only the Q2 and Q4 reports will show debt service in the cash flow statement.

The net change in cash amounted to $11 million in the quarter, bringing total cash to $26.3 million.

Harald Thorstein

Thank you, Daniel. I think some of the uniqueness we have in Jacktel is the very high cash conversion, where you see that EBITDA more or less equals our cash flow.

Obviously, we have to adjust for installments and interest, but yeah, very high cash conversion, which we hopefully will benefit from also going forward. Macro's focus managing the rig and the focus from the board is to make sure that we stay in control and that we focus on this.

We focus on the cash flow to make sure that our cash conversion is almost like 100%. Cash flow is everything in this business.

EBITDA doesn't mean anything unless you are able to convert it to cash. That's very much the focus has been the focus and will be the focus going forward.

Obviously, to generate cash flow, we need clients and we need markets. I think the key for us in order to secure those contracts is to make sure that we have good, strong relationships with the most relevant clients in the North Sea.

I feel that with the work we now have done for Equinor and the process so far with Aker BP, we are in a good position. They see that Jacktel and Haven, with support from Macro, we deliver the goods.

We deliver quality, safe, stable operations, which gives us a good starting point for discussing further contract opportunities. We are optimistic regarding contract opportunities from 2028 and beyond.

We are in discussions regarding concrete opportunities. I would say that we see opportunities across the North Sea, but in particular on the Norwegian Continental Shelf.

In Norway, the operators oil and gas companies they have a lot of focus on enhancing or maintaining production from existing installations. This implies upgrades and modifications and development of existing infrastructure, which will drive demand for accommodation.

In Norway, we also experience that the regulator, Havtil, is increasing their focus on the longevity and maintenance of existing installations, which also will drive bed capacity going forward. All in all, we are positive about the outlook.

We work hard to build backlog from 2028 and onwards. The focus for the last years have been delivering on the Equinor contract and Aker BP, and to make sure that we were able to narrow the gap between those contracts.

That has been the key commercial and operational focus. That gap has been narrowed to a bare minimum.

We couldn't have done better when it comes to that. Now it's all hands on deck and strong focus on securing the next contracts.

It's not like we are rushing. We are patient, and we work constructively with potential clients.

Let's see what we are able to achieve. As also stated earlier in the presentation, in the long term, we also see the offshore wind market as an opportunity.

That could also be an opportunity for more like long-term contracts. My prediction is that the next contracts we will receive for the '28, '29, '30 is still within oil and gas.

Let's see. With that, Øyvind, I don't know if there are any questions?

Moderator

Thank you, Harald and Daniel. We have received quite a few questions, we can just kick it off.

The first one is, how many days off-hire will occur between the Equinor and Aker BP contract?

Harald Thorstein

Daniel, we are counting. Yeah.

Daniel Samuelsen

It will be a few days. We are using 2 to 3 days to get from Draupner to Valhall, depending a little bit on weather, and then we are going to install the bridge.

It will be a few days. Of course, we work as hard as possible to get that to a minimum, but it will depend a little bit on the weather, but 5 to 6 days.

Harald Thorstein

This is the focus now. From what I understand, Daniel, the weather window looks very good as well, knock on wood, so far so good.

Just to highlight, there are also demob and mobilization involved in those contracts. Mm.

Moderator

Thank you. Could you say something about how the day rate of the new contract compared to the Equinor contract in terms of increase or decrease in day rate or percentage?

Harald Thorstein

I think you can calculate if you look at our EBITDA forecast for next year at $44 million, I think you can do some estimates and see, yeah, current contract has been approximately mid-170, and this is in the 180s kind of. We also have cost escalation in this contract, which we didn't have in Equinor contract.

We have a bit more protection for potential cost escalation.

Moderator

Thank you. Could you also say something about what type of work you will be doing at Valhall?

Daniel Samuelsen

We will do exactly the same work that we have done on Draupner in many ways. What we deliver is accommodation services, we basically put the bridge in place and we have 444 cabins that we have availability for people to live in.

People fly in by helicopter, live at our platform, and walk over to the host platform and do the work, get back to have lunch, dinner, and relax when they're off. They have also many different office facilities that they can use.

Basically, the delivery is the same.

Harald Thorstein

I think also one thing to mention about the Valhall project is that we will be connected to electricity from shore, we don't have to run our generators, and obviously we are reducing our carbon footprint quite a lot. While we provide a similar service, there are kind of two different kind of projects.

If you look at Equinor with Draupner, that was more an upgrade and modification of an existing platform. What we're going to do now with Valhall, you can go into Aker BP and see what they write about those projects.

This is kind of major development project, where they are installing new offshore installations, platforms, and is a major development on that field. Kind of two different type of projects that we support.

Those kind of projects we also see for the future, and maybe more towards maybe upgrade and modifications, maintenance type of work. We have a quite boring service.

We are there, four legs to the seabed with a gangway, and we delivered that gangway connection and good quality accommodation. That's kind of what we do.

Moderator

Thank you. We've gotten some questions around when we can expect any new news regarding new contracts, and in that regard also regarding opportunities in oil and gas versus offshore wind.

We saw that the Crossway Eagle, which is managed by Macro Offshore, got a long-term contract with Siemens, any read-across from that contract to what opportunities you are seeing in offshore wind, if you can give some color around that? Also,

Harald Thorstein

I think as I said, I believe the next contracts we will announce or next contract news from us will be within oil and gas. We see that I believe we will get better earnings and rates in that market.

Having that said, we also kind of have discussions and have sent our spec details and given rate indications also within offshore wind. We believe that for the next years, we will work and support the oil and gas industry in the North Sea.

Yeah. I don't know if you have anything else to add, Daniel, regarding Crossway Eagle and the wind market, which you guys are working now.

It's a smaller rig, it's a

Daniel Samuelsen

Yeah. In general, day rate expectation from clients would be lower in the wind market.

As you said, Harald, I think Haven, in order to get a good day rate, has the highest probability in Norway, which is the market where she is built for specifically as well. In general in offshore wind market in Europe, there are a lot of things happening.

What we have seen over the last few years is that projects move farther from shore into deeper waters, meaning that the rigs that they have used in the past cannot be used anymore. They need equipment that has been used in oil and gas because the projects are more comparable to that.

The wind fields are very large, the substations that they require are quite comparable to offshore oil and gas platforms these days. As a general rule of thumb, what we see in tenders is that substations require from 9 to 12 months to commission.

If you do the math and look at the different projects coming up from 2028 to 2035, there are quite a bit of those.

Harald Thorstein

I think just one reflection is that up until now, Crossway Eagle, as far as I know, has worked predominantly supporting the oil and gas industry. Now that rig is locked away for offshore wind, for for, yeah, 10 years plus if the options are exercised.

The rig recently has worked in the UK oil and gas, and Denmark oil and gas. In a way that rig being taken away to a different industry is creating a potential tighter market for accommodation services within oil and gas.

Even though we never were competing and never had any conflict of interest with Crossway Eagle because we are different assets, there is still some kind of a a a positive effect on Crossway being taken away to offshore wind. It's the same you can say about semi-floaters going from the North Sea to Brazil or Australia, you know.

We don't really compete with semis, but obviously they are a reference, and they're going out of the North Sea could create a tighter market for us. What is important for us is obviously to to Utilization is everything in this market.

We'll obviously push for push rates to to make as much money as possible, but but utilization is everything. That is, yeah, how we see it.

Moderator

Thank you. We have gotten some questions around the day rates from offshore wind compared to oil and gas.

If I understand you correctly from what you just said is that you expect the next contract to be within oil and gas and that day rates to be higher than what you see in offshore wind now. Is that correct assumption?

Harald Thorstein

That is correct. When we have submitted rates to offshore wind today, if it's a really really long contract, you can say, is it worthwhile if you can lock Jacktel into a 10-year contract?

Could we be willing to do something on the rates compared to what you have today? Maybe, because you can lock in a fantastic cash flow, appealing debt structure, and really boost the valuation of the company.

It's all obviously something to consider. We will work oil and gas, and very confident for the next years.

That's how I see it.

Moderator

On the timeline for these tenders, when do you expect to have something concrete and be able to announce your next contract?

Harald Thorstein

There are some tenders, but there's also bilateral kind of discussions. I will not promise anything on that.

As soon as possible. What we see in this market, the lead time from you have something agreed until you have a contract that you can announce in oil and gas industry, it takes time.

Yeah. I will not promise anything or give an indication on when we expect any announcement.

That we are positive, that's for sure.

Moderator

Thank you. Next question is, who will pay for the support vessels taking the vessel from Draupner to Valhall?

Harald Thorstein

That's our clients. We don't pay for that.

Mm.

Moderator

When is the next SPS on the rig, and any rough numbers on CapEx involved in such SPS?

Daniel Samuelsen

We completed the main SPS in 2024, just before we went on the Draupner contract, and we did a comprehensive 10-year SPS, where we inspected the spudcans. The next main part of the SPS will be then in 2029.

It's hard to say a figure.

Harald Thorstein

I believe we have indicated around $5 million or something, Daniel, haven't we?

Daniel Samuelsen

A few million dollars.

Harald Thorstein

It's not given that we have to go to a yard even. That's something that we are working on.

Daniel Samuelsen

Yeah. We do not have all this rotating equipment, of course, like the drillers have.

SPS is quite a bit lower compared to drilling rigs, of course.

Harald Thorstein

We don't have thrusters.

Daniel Samuelsen

No.

Harald Thorstein

What I said previously, it's a big piece of steel, obviously. It's a jacking system, and it is a very well-built rig, but it's more straightforward maintenance-wise and CapEx-wise.

We are making sure now during operations that the rig is maintained, and if we have any issues, we do a proper job to detect what the issue is, and we make sure it doesn't happen again. No, that's a key priority now when we work with our clients to make sure that the rig is shipshape 100% at any time.

Without wasting money.

Moderator

Thank you. What is the estimated loss per day for off-hire between the contracts?

Harald Thorstein

The loss per day is that we don't get the rate per day, and then if you say the rate is around $180,000-ish and you multiply that with yeah, 5 to 7 days, you'll get there. At the same time, we have a mob and demob fee there as well.

Mm.

Daniel Samuelsen

Yes, and just to highlight it that this is quite a unique situation where we are able to tow directly from one contract to another, that we have a relatively high cost saving related to that compared to the original plan.

Harald Thorstein

You see that we are guiding or indicating $40 million in EBITDA this year. In Q1, we delivered 8.8.

Now we are into Q2, and then Q3 and Q4. If we are to deliver 40, we obviously have to deliver higher EBITDA for the next quarters to come.

Again, knock on wood. We have to stay focused on this mobilization, and hopefully it goes smoothly.

As Daniel said, it's a unique kind of situation where you just go smoothly directly from one to the other.

Moderator

Thank you. Do you expect lower opex due to the rig running on electricity on Aker BP?

Harald Thorstein

We don't pay for the fuel, I guess the answer is no, Daniel?

Daniel Samuelsen

Not a substantial amount, no. We will have to run the engines from time to time, there will be some service required, some maintenance required, either way to keep them in good order.

Harald Thorstein

I've been thinking, maybe it's less wear and tear on our engines, but at the same time, it's also good for the engine to run. At least we get net-net, I think it's positive for all parties.

It's positive for Haven and Jacktel, and obviously also positive for Aker BP and the environment, I guess, with the less CO2 emissions. Yeah.

Moderator

Thank you. Then we have a few questions on the market.

Can this niche market be consolidated, or is there already too few suppliers?

Harald Thorstein

I think about the accommodation market. I think that you can still consolidate the market.

Obviously, it was a public process a few years ago between Prosafe and Floatel that was stopped by antitrust in Norway, I believe. For us, Jacktel, I don't see any antitrust stopping any consolidation activity involving Jacktel, unless there is kind of a major roll-up.

One jack-up rig, yeah. We have opportunity to participate in consolidation, for sure.

Unless we think about buying all the floaters, which is not on the agenda.

Moderator

We've got a question here if you are looking at or seeing any attractive assets that you could acquire.

Harald Thorstein

Is something we monitor. We don't have any ongoing discussions, any concrete plans.

As we have stated previously, our main focus is on Haven and to make sure that we are able to get as much cash out of that rig as possible. Obviously, we are looking at accretive deals or will evaluate accretive deals.

We have turned down a lot of opportunities throughout the years, which we don't regret today. For sure, we believe dealmaking could make sense here, and we are very much open-minded to discuss opportunities.

Again, we don't have to do a deal.

Moderator

Thank you. Further on the competitive landscape, noting that jack-up Noble Reach[er?]

was converted to accommodation unit, do you have any information about or any views on this being a potential competitive supply in the market with more conversions?

Harald Thorstein

I guess Noble Reach[er?] Daniel, you may have more intel than me.

You see there are some larger jack-ups, CJ70s, working as accommodation in the market today. From what we hear, they are operated of opex of close to $100,000, and at rate levels around where we are, delivering less than 50% of the amount of beds that we have.

I don't think it's a really attractive business for the clients or the rig owner. We believe also converting some of these larger jack-ups to accommodation will be very, very, very expensive.

On this Reach[er?] , we have heard various stories what will happen with that rig.

I don't know, really. We don't see it as a major threat.

Mm.

Moderator

Thank you. Then we have some questions on dividend capacity.

You indicated a dividend target of around 9 cents per share for 2026. Does this target still stand after Q1, or do you now see a potential for higher distribution given the strong cash balance as of the year-end and solid contract backlog?

Harald Thorstein

I believe if we say that on the slide we show 9 cents, but if you include some of the cash that we have and also raised, I believe 10 cents is absolutely feasible, which means the dividend we paid now 2.5 is something that should be doable throughout the years. Or throughout this year for the remaining quarters.

Again, this is something we decide as a board from quarter to quarter. We look at the cash position.

We look at the cash flow forecast, short- and long-term, and obviously the backlog we have, and if there are any operational issues. It's not like we have a magic formula we look at.

It's a bit like, okay, this makes sense. Let's do it.

Based on how we see today, the current level we have, 2.5, is something we should be able to deliver for the remaining quarters this year.

Moderator

Thank you. What is the long-term vision for the company?

You mentioned that when the company reached a debt level at around 50, that should be a prudent debt level, and will then the plan be to pay out excess cash for the remaining life of the asset?

Harald Thorstein

We don't have a kind of extensive business plan and a vision and stuff for the company. We are simple people, and unless we have another plan, the plan is to optimize the cash flow from operations from this rig and to pay out excess cash as dividends.

Obviously, if we see opportunities that will give better return for our shareholders, that's something that obviously will be evaluated. For now, the plan is to keep going as we do now, and let's see.

Do I believe that something will happen over the next years if we continue to deliver? I guess so.

Will someone try to buy us? I don't know.

Will we be consolidate with someone, or will be bought by someone? I don't know.

It's not unlikely that something will happen. That's just me thinking out loud.

For now, this is the focus, and we have Jacktel, and we will seek to continue what we do today and try to do it well.

Moderator

Thank you. We have two final questions.

Do you have any guidance on incremental G&A related to being publicly listed? Oh,

Harald Thorstein

we got a very good deal with Pareto when we did the listing, I guess we did most of the costs initially. You saw in Q1, we incurred some extra costs, but other than that, we don't see any significant additional cost from being listed, not really.

I think what we accrued in Q1, P&L-wise, cost-wise, Daniel, was it 200k or something?

Daniel Samuelsen

Yes, around that. Mm.

Harald Thorstein

Yeah. We are really doing what we can to operate a tight ship here.

We believed that the listing made sense because it makes trading in the stock easier, and I think that you have seen. We are pleased that we did that.

We already had to report almost like a Euronext Growth listed company because of our financing. It has really not made any big difference.

Mm.

Moderator

What was the construction price of Haven, and any thoughts on what such unit would cost to build today?

Harald Thorstein

What we have said about the construction cost is it's a $600 million we have talked about, Daniel? In that range.

It was an expensive unit to build. Was not a straightforward project where they did some conversions on the rig during the process.

You will be able to build it for less than 600 today, but we don't have a quote for a yard, but yard prices are high these days. You have an estimate, Daniel?

Estimate? Guess-timate?

Daniel Samuelsen

I think in many ways, you could compare it to the most premium rigs that our competitors has, the semis. I think it would be comparable to that because of course they have thrusters and so on, but they're also specced for the Norwegian Continental Shelf, and that is a relatively large part of the high construction cost.

Harald Thorstein

Yeah. It will be high, but we have not asked the yard, and we will not ask a yard.

We have no plans asking a yard. We will not do a newbuild.

Mm.

Moderator

Thank you. The final question is, a competitor announced a firm contract in Norway with start-up in 2029.

Should we read this as a signal of a tighter accommodation market?

Harald Thorstein

It's a long lead time, for sure. I guess so.

That was not a contract, this was for a semi, I believe. It was not something that we could participate on, but it's a long lead time, I guess yes.

Some do focus on securing accommodation early, yes. Let's see.

That market is also I think it's a bit driven also by Brazil. We see that they need more and more accommodation, and rigs are tied up there with long-term contracts.

Maybe that makes some of the operators elsewhere increasingly focus on securing capacity.

Moderator

Thank you. That was all the questions we have received.

Do you want to add some final remarks, Harald, before we log off?

Harald Thorstein

No, thank you for participating to everyone. Thank you, Øyvind, for hosting and arranging the call.

We will keep on working and keep on delivering distributions and strong operations, hopefully. Let's see.

Moderator

Thank you.

Harald Thorstein

Thank you.