Smartoptics Group ASA

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Q2 FY2026 · Earnings Call TranscriptJuly 13, 2026

Magnus Grenfeldt

Good morning and welcome to Smartoptics financial presentation, financial report for Q2 2026. It's great to be here.

It's fantastic times for us. I hope also for you guys.

Most of you should now be enjoying some sunshine. I hope you are.

Thank you very much for taking the time to spend some time with us this morning. Next slide, please.

Not only are we delivering a quarter in which I expect us to grow faster than anyone else in the market, but we are also—we have also started our journey towards the next goals for Smartoptics, for the next big things that we have ahead. Thus, we want to spend a little bit of time in this presentation, in this call, to talk about that, to introduce our thinking around the future for the company.

As usual, let's turn to the main happenings in the quarter, and I will leave the details of the numbers, with very few exceptions, to Stefan's part where he will cover those in in great detail in in a few minutes. We can only conclude that we're continuing to have a fantastic Americas, fantastic USA stellar performance by Team USA.

Since a few quarters, we have been discussing an increased momentum and increased traction, particularly around large accounts in Europe. This quarter, we're seeing the result of that.

Also a fantastic Europe with growth in in all sub-regions and fantastic growth in UK Ireland and the Nordics in particular. Our business is increasingly driven by AI and indirect hyperscaler business.

As an example, this this is now happening across the globe. It's in every region we are working with these type of opportunities.

As an example, our South African partner, Transmission Works, together with us, are building a network for a hyperscaler in in Africa in the quarter. Important momentum there.

We can also see that the traction from Q1 is continuing with book-to-bill comfortably over 1 in the quarter, exactly the same scenario as in Q1. Gross margin is a little bit down in the quarter.

This is related to one project, one customer in the quarter, where we can see that the difference between the lower gross margin in the quarter and a perfectly normal quarter that we've been delivering recently, all of the difference there between the two numbers is related to this case. This is a case that has been restored, that will be restored in Q3 and onwards from a margin perspective, where we where we are choosing to support our customer in in a critical phase where we were undergoing qualification for a number of large large applications.

This is a US Tier 2 that is building networks across America. A very good win and a very good proof point of our large account strategy that is resulting in short term a little bit lower lower GM.

We have been talking about this for years, that we want to have the flexibility and need to have the flexibility to act in the best interest of of the company, and in particular, our growth journey, when we need to. That's the full story behind it.

No big drama around the gross margin from my perspective, quite expected, in fact. Yes.

Obviously, we are here in in Stockholm today from our new super nice main office location and production and so on and so forth. As as as you all know, we were talking in Q1 about Q2 being a catch-up quarter, of course, catching up towards a normal Q2 performance versus Q1.

We can see that we are way up there in the upper range of what normal seasonality is. A very, very good performance.

In particular, bearing in mind that we delivered about 11% of the revenue in the first month of the quarter. The company was effectively shut down from a delivery standpoint for a few weeks, and the team has performed really, really well.

Thank you very much, team operations, for for your efforts through the quarter. Reminding everyone, what have we done?

We have moved all of our production facilities, the two of them, into one. Going forward, the work to make this even more efficient is is going to start and continue for for years.

Clearly, we're demonstrating in the last two months of the quarter that our capability is already at at a very, very high level. Right.

Revenue and the geographical spread. As I said, fantastic performance in in in America.

There is no doubt, it's a record quarter over there, largely driven by the results of of our efforts in in the large accounts strategy over the past several years. We can see now that large parts of our of our revenue, still being fairly broad, but large parts of it is now coming from the accounts that we have been talking about, typically regional Tier 2s and Tier 2s and and similar, both data center operators and and network provider network operators delivering bandwidth to to the data centers in the region.

Very good America. 100% growth.

Quite quite expected that we would see a good EMEA after several quarters of having very good traction and very good win rate in in the large larger projects that have been out there for tender and and similar. All good.

As I mentioned earlier, good growth in all sub-regions: DACH, Eastern Europe, Southern Europe, but stellar performance in in the Nordics and UK Ireland. APAC is still project-dependent, as we point out in in the headline here, and we can see quite modest growth in in APAC.

However, what we are seeing in this region, much like the other ones, is that the larger data center AI-related projects are popping up in in in several regions in within the APAC territory. We have developed our partner landscape in the region.

We have, of course, developed our product to have a better fit going forward. We have invested in the region with more people working for and with Smartoptics.

I'm I'm I'm very positive about APAC for 2027 and second half of 2026. Timing is, of course, a little bit uncertain, but I think that we can see a much better performance from from the APAC region going forward.

That's very nice to have yet another contributor to our growth. Product mix.

As usual, it is the more advanced products that is sold together with our software and service offering that is leading the way. Those of you who have been with us for quite some time probably noticed that we have shuffled around the order in this slide.

We have done that to clearly outline the fact that Solutions, Software, and Services belong together nearly to 100%. Fantastic growth.

This is important because it's telling us that where we are investing, we are also achieving growth. That's always comforting.

It it is a proof point that our our product roadmap, the products we have developed, are the right products for the market. The regions and and customers and applications that we going after are the regions and customers and applications where we can see growth.

Very, very good proof points. As you all remember, we have since some time also put a little bit more focus on our business area Optical Devices with Björn Andersson leading those activities for us since since quite some time now.

We have been engaged in in really upping the performance of the back end of that business, investing into our software platforms, investing into our production tools, investing into the tools that our customers are using to configure these products for their live environments. We're seeing that, much like the previous two quarters, very good growth in in business area Devices, too.

It's it's it's no longer an anchor for the company. It is yet another growth vehicle contributing to the overall revenue.

I'm very pleased with that situation. I will hand over to Stefan to take you through some of the details on the financials.

Stefan Karlsson

Thank you, Magnus. The revenue increased 54.6% to record high $28.9 million compared to $18.7 million last year.

As Magnus mentioned, we have had very strong growth in EMEA of 112% and in the Americas of 36%, primarily driven by business area Solutions. The gross margin was 46.1% compared to 48.6% in last year and 47.0% year-to-date.

The lower gross margin is fully related to the breakthrough deal that Magnus mentioned, and follow-on business with this customer is expected to deliver normal margin levels going forward. The underlying gross margin remains stable quarter-over-quarter, and the full year 2025 gross margin remains as a good reference for future quarters.

We have had a record EBITDA of $4.5 million compared to $2.6 million last year, up $1.9 million year-on-year. The strong revenue growth increased gross profit by $4.2 million, more than offsetting higher operating expenses.

The employee benefit expenses increased 29% to $6.7 million compared to $5.2 million. Main drivers is the organizational growth of 21% where FTE grew from 132 to 160 people, including the expansion of the US sales organization end of last year.

The FX impact is impacting 3%, and the annual salary increase and other factors are contributing with a 5% increase. Other operating expenses increased to $2.2 million compared to $1.4 million, reflecting the business growth and organizational expansion.

Total operating expenses in relation to revenue amounted to 31% compared to 35% last year, an improvement. The EBITDA margin improved to 15.5 percentage points compared to 13.7% last year, and the year-to-date margin increased to 13.8% compared to 11.4%.

If we exclude non-recurring costs relating to the relocation of the production in Q1, the year-to-date EBITDA margin was 14.7%, a difference of 0.9 percentage points. The profitability is improved despite continued investments to support the future growth.

The EBIT margin improved to 12.5% compared to 9.8% last year, and the year-to-date margin increased to 10.5% compared to 7.3%. Excluding non-recurring, the EBIT margin year-to-date was 11.4%.

The operating cash flow amounted to positive $0.9 million compared to negative $0.5 million last year, positive operating cash flow despite a $2.2 million increase in working capital driven by the higher sales and deliberate inventory buildup to support the future growth. The equity ratio was 42% compared with 53% a year ago and 56% at the end of the first quarter.

The decrease is mainly explained by the recognition of the new Stockholm office lease under IFRS 16, which increased total assets without a corresponding increase in equity. Total assets increased to $66.6 million compared to $49.9 million last year, and that's mainly reflected by the Stockholm office lease addition, as well as inventories and trade receivables that increased in line with the continued growth of the business.

The increase in asset was financed mainly by corresponding lease liability to the Stockholm office, as well as higher trade payables, reflecting the higher level of business activity. Despite the dividend paid out during the quarter, total equity increased to $27.9 million, supported by continued profitable operations.

Cash ended at $2.1 million compared to $3.5 million, with unused credit facilities of $7.6 million, equivalent to 75 million NOK. We have a high focus on cash, included continued management of trade receivables.

The working capital increased to $16.8 million compared to $15.7 million last year and up from $14.6 million last quarter. The inventory increased to $21.3 million compared to $16.8 million last year and up from $18.4 million last quarter.

The increase versus last year is mainly driven by longer component lead times and a deliberate strategy to maintain higher inventory levels to secure product availability and support the future sales growth. Inventory quality remains high, with a very limited inventory risk.

Trade receivables increased to a record high $26.4 million compared to $19.8 million. This is, of course, then reflecting the higher level of sales.

We have had a back-end loaded quarter with more than half of the quarterly revenue invoiced during the final month of the quarter. We have had normal collections and no increased credit risk.

The trade payables increased to $12.7 million compared to $7.7 million last year and up from $5.7 million last quarter. We have had higher inventory purchase towards the quarter end, and the accounts payable mainly consists of suppliers with 60 days payment terms.

Net other short-term liabilities increased to $18.2 million from $13.2 million last year, and the largest item is deferred revenue that increased to $13.3 million compared to $10.7 million. Then we also have the tax liabilities that increased to $2.0 million, reflecting the higher taxable profit level.

Thank you, and back to Magnus.

Magnus Grenfeldt

Thank you. We will now leave Q2 behind and start looking forward into the future and give you a taste of the new financial aspirations and the new strategic choices that has been worked out through the first half of this year.

The material here is short and sweet, I hope, and I'm expecting that we will continue to talk about this now for over the foreseeable future and clarify more and more the material and how we're progressing against that. The first thing to note is that the ever-growing demand for bandwidth is continuing to drive our business.

The underlying growth is broad-based. Of course, it's impossible to overlook the fact that recent CapEx investments in AI and AI data centers is coming on top of this as an additional driver, reminding people that building an AI data center on a cornfield in a Tier 2 market is pretty useless unless [coughs] you can connect it to the bigger cluster and to its users.

The technologies that we are working with are absolutely instrumental to make this work. It is, of course, a privilege for us who have been dealing with optical technologies for a longer period to see a second wave of really changing the behavior of humankind going forward.

Maybe big words, but that's in fact what's happening. Smartoptics has, over the years, systematically and strategically been working to develop our product offering—hardware, software, and support services—to address more and more applications with the purpose to broaden the addressable market for the company.

We have always viewed ourselves as a metro optical networking player, leaving the long-haul market to others to deal with. We have, since some years, started to move into that long-haul market, and we have done it with pretty large steps, now building really high-capacity networks, terabits of bandwidth over thousands of kilometers.

It is no longer true to say that we are a pure metro play. This journey will continue.

Adding a substantial and fast-growing market onto our list of opportunities is, of course, a great way for us to scale the addressable market. Why can we do that now, and why is it a suitable timing for us to do that now?

I would like to point out a few facts. Number one, the way Smartoptics has developed, we have built a product offering that is highly suitable for some of these applications, these longer-haul, higher-capacity, not for all yet.

In terms of suitability, one should understand that, of course, you can build the whole internet and all AI infrastructure using only Smartoptics products, but on the peak and most advanced applications, we would probably not be cost-effective today. The journey we have ahead of us is to become a very cost-effective and technically capable alternative also for some of those more advanced applications.

We can do that today because if we look at the longer-haul market, traditionally, who has been building those type of networks, if we go way back a long time, you would see that there were a handful of selected Tier 1s who were building those type of networks, as an example, AT&T in America. Those are organizations that come with a large set of requirements, a very, very big backpack of legacy equipment that needs to be supported, and so on and so forth.

That is not true anymore. Of course, the hyperscalers have been building long-haul networks for many years, and we're now seeing new players coming in to support the hyperscalers and to support the build-out of AI infrastructure.

A lot of new network operators, new challengers, are building these type of networks. We're seeing neoscalers building fairly long-haul networks to support their business model, etc.

The market has changed, and we believe strongly that that market is a market that's highly suitable for a company like Smartoptics, not only our products, but also our role as a challenger in the market and the cost efficiency that we can bring to the table. The other thing that has happened over and above the market changing is, of course, that technology has evolved.

In the past, you have nearly been forced to deal with a high degree of vertical integration to address this market space, and we see now that the merchant technology that we use in our transponders and muxponders are becoming very, very capable and indeed becoming the go-to choice for many organizations, making also our products technically more suitable for going after the larger and more advanced opportunities. This will not come without an effort from Smartoptics.

We are going to move into an investment phase that we have already started since some time back. We have some investment areas that are incremental to what we're already doing.

It's not a revolution. It's an evolution of the product offering.

Those three investment areas are: simply to build AI-ready optical networks to deal with interconnected clusters or scale-across, as we say in the market lingo that we are using. Basically, when you outgrow one AI data center, you need to build a new one, and you need to connect them together.

That's what we're talking about. In order to do that, we need to improve our products and develop a few new alterations of our products to support longer reach and the higher-capacity networks.

Those products are now on the drawing board, and we have a way forward that we believe in very much, some of it being, of course, not suitable to share to the open market yet, but it will be announced and released down the line. The third area of investments, where we are getting exceptionally good feedback from our customers on the work that we have already done, is in the software space, agentic AI software and automation, where we've had the luxury not only to have the right team in place to do this, but also to have the right timing to develop new software platforms where we can utilize everything that's available to us through modern software development, which is, of course, more difficult to do if you have a huge legacy to deal with while developing your products.

As I said, we're getting very good feedback from our customers. We believe that we are ahead of competition broadly, and we believe that some of the ideas that we are bringing to the table are unique and very, very beneficial for our customers.

Stepping into a new era of growth is the ambition, and we will, as we have always done in Smartoptics, plan, execute, measure, change the plan as needed, execute and measure again, systematically invest into our products, systematically invest into scaling our organization to also utilize new technologies to enhance our operations and to become a much more efficient company overall. When we measure ourselves against competition and peers, we can see that already today Smartoptics is producing a higher revenue per full-time employee than most other organizations, and we want to continue to scale that in order to outperform the market in yet another way.

That's something to study going forward, how we're performing against those metrics. That's something that I expect us to talk a little bit more about down the line.

When we are there, lead and really become a top-three vendor in the target markets in North America and EMEA, and increasingly APAC. That is the ambition.

Of course, scenario planning is everything, and we've been doing a lot of that in the spring here to give us a solid roadmap forward, also a financial roadmap that we believe in, that we think that we can execute on. When we do that, we're seeing a number of scenarios, and we therefore provide you with a range in terms of revenue potential, the $300 to $400 million US dollars being the next target for the company, and of course, to achieve a CAGR of over 25% going forward.

We are very committed to profitable growth, as we have been over the years, and we're now starting our journey towards EBIT margins above 16%. Having said that, I think it's important to look at the roadmap that we have ahead of us.

I think that the EBIT margin target that we are talking about here, it's something that we're striving against and that we are absolutely targeting, and we're absolutely seeing an upside to those numbers when we do our modeling. It's something that we want to talk about for the second half of the planning period.

My focus and the team's focus is now going to be on revenue and revenue growth and the investments that we need to do to achieve that. Only keeping one eye on the long-term EBIT target for now and coming back to that in a while.

This is it. Full throttle ahead.

We have a just-do-it attitude in the company, and we will move forward. With that, I would like to hand over to Per to look at questions.

Per Burman

Yes. We will start with analysts on the call.

First up is Christoffer Wang Bjørnsen from DNB Carnegie. Christoffer, unmute yourself and ask your questions, please.

Christoffer Wang Bjørnsen

Good morning. Congrats on the great quarter.

I just want to start out with the issues you mentioned in the first couple of weeks of the quarter where you essentially said that you were, for backup purposes, shut down when it comes to deliveries. I think does that kind of imply that if you had moved more efficiently over to the new site, your revenues would be more into the $30s million?

I guess you've said in the past that you shouldn't expect near-term quarters to go towards the 60s, but given that you are supply-constrained rather than demand-constrained and you have a decent book-to-bill well above 1, that the underlying output as an indicator for second half is quarters in the 30s rather than in the 20s, or are there particular component supply issues that makes it difficult to kind of enter into the 30s in the second-half quarters? Guess that's my first question.

Magnus Grenfeldt

Yes, thank you. Thank you, Kristoffer.

As we are not providing near-term quarterly guidance, and I will, of course, not do that here either. What I can say is that clearly our growth will not be limited by our own capability in the second half of the year.

Production is fully up and running, and as Stefan mentioned, we delivered about half of our revenue in the last month of the quarter. No problem there.

The remaining risk in this market is, of course, the component shortages that we see out there. That is something we've been talking about for a while.

It's something that we need to continuously work with, and we have very, very strong partnerships, and we get very, very good support from our component suppliers today, actually delivering better than expected. Our hope is, of course, that they will continue to do so, promise one thing and deliver more.

We have certainly done our homework, doing revenue planning for Q3, Q4, Q1, and Q2 now, scaling our inbound component purchases, etc. Yeah.

Christoffer Wang Bjørnsen

Just then backwards-looking, are we correct to understand that you had two weeks of essentially zero output and that revenues would be in the 30s if you kind of didn't have those transitional hiccups at the beginning of the quarter?

Magnus Grenfeldt

We're talking theory here. I don't know what it would have been if we had not had those two weeks, but clearly we're delivering half of our revenue in the last month, and of course, the revenue could have been much higher if we had had similar performance through the quarter.

Christoffer Wang Bjørnsen

It was

Magnus Grenfeldt

three weeks. Three weeks, and I think a good data point is the fact that we delivered about 11% of our revenue in the first month.

Really not a lot.

Christoffer Wang Bjørnsen

Great. Thank you.

Then just moving on to the long-term targets. Can you just, you have good visibility on the market forecasts and so on, but can you help us understand a bit what kind of visibility you have on the, let's say, the '27, the '28, the '29?

I guess there's not really a good degree of backlog backing that up, but maybe more visibility on projects you expect or stuff you're already planning to bid on, just beyond the market forecast from Signal AI, what kind of gives you confidence that there's business out there for you to lift revenues as materially as you're kind of now indicating? That would be helpful.

Magnus Grenfeldt

Absolutely. The pipeline of projects that we are working with is considerably higher than it has been in the past.

Of course, we have a very close dialogue with our customers around projects that are to materialize in 2027 and beyond. We are, of course, guiding our customers to give us as much visibility as they can because that's the only thing that's jointly going to help us through any upcoming supply problems that we can see.

We're seeing some of the larger competitors we have in the market now guiding that they have basically filled their order books for the year and beyond, which means that choosing Smartoptics because we are the nimble player in the market who can deliver quickly is going to continue for a considerable time. Last but not least, of course, the traction we have in our large accounts strategy and, of course, the amazing opportunities that we have ahead of us in relation to that is also giving us a lot of confidence.

It's a journey. You need to get through all of the steps that you need to get through.

In general, I would say that what you have seen of the large accounts strategy so far that has been driving our growth, the opportunities we are working on now are bigger rather than anything else. Yes, we have data points that give us confidence.

Christoffer Wang Bjørnsen

All right, thanks. Then just finally, more on the investments side, you mentioned more focus on revenues than earnings near-term, which is I think it's great.

Just, I think you added a lot of people during the quarter and now at 160 FTEs, which is a record number of adds both sequentially and in the year-over-year as far as we can tell. Is this kind of a new ramp which puts you at a number of people that you targeted for the year, or will this new pace of hiring continue in the next couple of quarters?

Then as an add-on to that, 13 new people quarter-over-quarter, what areas are you primarily hiring in right now, just to get a sense of your pace of additions going forward? The 160 Yeah, so

Magnus Grenfeldt

the 160 is a little bit inflated. As we moved production, and those are still counted as FTEs.

We have 10-ish people that will be removed in the second half. It's not that dramatic.

Christoffer Wang Bjørnsen

Okay.

Magnus Grenfeldt

Good. We have five minutes left before we need to close this call to get on to the next one.

Per Burman

I suggest we go to the next analyst, which is Markus Heiberg from SEB. Please ask your question, Markus.

Markus Heiberg

Thank you. The first one from me is on the new addressable market here moving from $5 to $6 billion market to $11 to $12 billion roughly.

How much of your revenues are currently in these new segments, and how do you see that portion of revenues for Smartoptics moving over the coming quarters and years?

Magnus Grenfeldt

I can say that it will increase. We are not measuring that.

We do not really have that visibility in our ERP systems. Unfortunately, I don't have the data.

It's gradually growing, and it's bigger and longer distance all the time. Growing, for sure.

We are still reporting all of our numbers into the metro regional segment.

Markus Heiberg

It's fair to assume that you have meaningful revenues in those new segments already?

Magnus Grenfeldt

Yes.

Markus Heiberg

That's good. Then last one for me to get through the queue here.

On the gross margin and maybe in relation to EBIT margin and facing over the coming quarters, it sounded like it was sort of a one-off to some extent or one large account explaining the lower gross margin this quarter, but that could happen, I guess, also in the future. How should we think about the coming quarters in relation to gross margin and also the facing towards your EBIT margin targets?

Magnus Grenfeldt

I think on the gross margin, 2025 is a pretty good reference going forward, and which is just below 48%. You are absolutely right that, from time to time, we may choose to be a little bit more aggressive on a particular deal or account.

That can happen in the future, too. I think the second part, the facing to EBITDA, Do we have an answer on that?

Not really, no.

Per Burman

The second...

Magnus Grenfeldt

part of your question. Can you repeat, Markus, please?

Markus Heiberg

Because if you look at consensus, in 2027, you will be about more than 16%, which is your target. Do you think that that's reasonable that you will be there already at more than 16% EBIT margin in '27 or it will be more back-end loaded towards the end of your forecast period?

Magnus Grenfeldt

I think it's all going to depend on the revenue growth, which is, of course, the biggest contributor here. We will see.

As I mentioned, only one eye on that target in the near term, and the remaining three eyes we have will be on the investments that we need to do and the revenue growth and, yeah, to go after the bigger target.

Markus Heiberg

Understood. Thank you.

Magnus Grenfeldt

Thank you. Okay.

Per Burman

Up next, Øystein Lodgaard from ABG.

Øystein Lodgaard

Good morning, and congrats on the blowout quarter. A couple of questions to start off.

First of, if you can give some more flavor on this new breakthrough customer that you mentioned. Secondly, with these new targets, you're not kind of specifying a time frame.

You're just saying long-term and second half of the period. Can you be more specific on when do you expect to reach $300 to $400 million in revenue?

Magnus Grenfeldt

Yes. The new customer, I cannot give that much more flavor.

It's a large US Tier 2. It's a very, very good potential customer for a very long time at higher levels.

That's great. When it comes to the timing of the target, you can see that we're also putting an aspiration on what we expect in terms of growth.

We have, of course, been working with several scenarios here. If you use our aspiration of 25%, you will end up in 2031.

If we grow a little bit faster than that, it may happen a bit earlier, of course. Yeah.

I think that's kind of the time frames we're talking about.

Øystein Lodgaard

Perfect. The second half you say EBIT margin above 16% in the second half of the period, does that then mean 2029, 2030, or...

Magnus Grenfeldt

Yes.

Øystein Lodgaard

Also you're saying you see a potential for higher margin longer term. Can you say something about what you think the margin potential of the business is, or is that something you don't want to comment at this point?

Magnus Grenfeldt

We'll save that for later.

Øystein Lodgaard

Okay. Thank you very much, and congrats again.

Magnus Grenfeldt

Thank you.

Per Burman

Good. We have a couple of questions on the portal.

We have some more time actually, I just got notified, we're not in a squeeze. From Jørgen Weidemann: 'Could you please specify what you mean by mid-term?

Is this still the '26 to '30 period you have planned for before?'

Magnus Grenfeldt

Yes.

Per Burman

Good. From Bernt Michael Haugen: 'How do you see the need for equity increase and other financing to fund your strong growth?'

Magnus Grenfeldt

That's obviously something that we have been working with together with our banks. We're in the final moment of extending our credit facility to secure cash, and that's the activity for now.

No other major events planned or anything.

Per Burman

Good. Then we have one more from Jørgen Weidemann: 'When you increase the EBIT margin target so significantly so quickly, can you please provide some color on what changed and how we should think about this?'

Magnus Grenfeldt

To begin with, I don't think we have changed it that quickly. We have earlier been talking about 13% to 16%.

It's not miles apart from the new target. I would just like to point out that obviously focusing a little bit more on the upper range of the old guidance, and also for us to look at potential beyond that, is more interesting as we conduct the business and as we run the company.

I would say, and if we are to talk about changes affecting the capability to produce EBIT and EBITDA, I would like to point that what the future holds for us in terms of more efficient operation through utilizing automation, robotics, AI, and so on and so forth, that is the material thing for the future.

Per Burman

Perfect. That was the last question on the portal.

If there's no other things, I think we're done.

Magnus Grenfeldt

Yes. Then thank you very much.

Enjoy the rest of the summer. We certainly will, and thank you again for taking some time out of your day to listen to us today.

Bye-bye.