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Q3 FY2026 · Earnings Call TranscriptJanuary 13, 2026

Operator

Hello, everyone. Thank you for joining us today for the Whitbread full year '26 Q3 trading update call.

My name is Sammy, and I'll be coordinating your call today. During the presentation, you can register a question by pressing star followed by 1 on your telephone keypad.

If you change your mind, please press star followed by 2 on your telephone keypad to remove yourself from the question queue. I would now like to hand over to your host, Dominic Paul, CEO of Whitbread, to begin.

Please go ahead, Dominic.

Dominic Paul

Thank you, Sammy. Good morning, everyone, and thank you very much for joining the call for our Q3 full year 2026 trading update.

I'm joined by Hemant Patel, our group CFO. Hopefully you've had a chance to review our announcement this morning.

I'm going to start with a brief overview for those who haven't seen it before opening up the call for Q&A when Hemant and I will be happy to answer your questions. I'll start with a few comments on our financial performance in the quarter.

We saw strong trading momentum in both the UK and Germany, and as I'll come on to shortly, I'm pleased to say this has strengthened into the current trading period. In the UK, the return to market growth that we saw in the summer has continued, and occupancy remained high at 83%.

RevPAR was up 3%, and we maintained a healthy premium versus the rest of the midscale and economy market. We traded particularly well in London where we increased both occupancy and rates, resulting in RevPAR up 7% versus the prior year.

UK food and beverage sales were in line with our expectations as we continue to make excellent progress on our Accelerating Growth Plan that will both improve the guest experience and drive higher returns for shareholders by transforming some of our lower-returning branded restaurants into higher-returning hotel extensions. Our German business also delivered a strong trading performance in the period, and we remain confident in reaching profitability this year.

Total accommodation sales up 12% and RevPAR was up 7% in local currency. This performance reflects the increasing maturity of our estate and brand, supported by our commercial initiatives, and we continue to outperform the rest of the market on both accommodation sales and RevPAR growth.

Now moving on to current trading and starting with the UK. Our performance has strengthened versus the third quarter, and in the 6 weeks to the 8th of January 2026, total accommodation sales and RevPAR were both up 4%, and we outperformed the wider market.

In Germany, trading during the first 6 weeks has also been strong, and total accommodation sales were 11% ahead of last year and total estate RevPAR was up 5%, €56. Our cohort of more established hotels are also performing strongly with RevPAR of €66, up 8%.

Now turning to costs. We have made great progress with our efficiency program, and so have been able to increase our expected savings in full year '26 by a further £10 million to between £75 and £80 million.

Looking forward to next year, whilst there is no change to our underlying inflation assumptions, following clarification from the government on the mechanics of transitional relief on UK business rates across over 1,000 of our properties, we now expect the cost impact will be circa £35 million in full year '20 full year '27, which is lower than our preliminary estimate of £40 to £50 million. We continue to believe the proposed changes to business rates are punitive and will impact future investment and job creation.

We, along with the wider hospitality industry, are actively engaged in pressing the UK government for changes. Taking into account the £60 million of efficiency savings that we're on track to deliver next year, we therefore now expect net inflation in full year '27 of between 3 and 4%.

Finally, a word on the outlook. Starting with the UK, while forward visibility remains limited, our booked position for full year '27 is building nicely and is ahead of last year with positive long-lead leisure bookings into peak periods.

In Germany, we are continuing to perform ahead of the market and remain on course to reach profitability this year. We are continuing to focus on what we can control and are making great progress on each of our strategic initiatives.

Our Accelerating Growth Plan is on track and we are building out our committed pipeline in the UK. We're growing our business in Germany and we are on track to become the country's number one hotel brand.

Our commercial programs are continuing to drive like-for-like sales momentum. We're continuing to maintain a tight grip on costs with our ongoing efficiency program, and we are recycling capital via our sale and leasebacks into high-returning investments like Accelerating Growth Plan.

As we said back in November, in response to the UK budget, we are exploring a variety of options to further drive profits, margins, and returns. That work is ongoing, and we expect to provide an update to the market regarding our 5-year plan at the time of our full year results in April.

I'll now hand back to Sammy to host the Q&A. Could I please ask you to limit your questions to two per person so we can get through as many as possible?

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you, Dominic. To ask a question, please press star followed by 1 on your telephone keypad now.

If you change your mind, please press star followed by 2. When preparing to ask your question, please ensure your device is unmuted locally.

Our first question comes from Jamie Rollo from Morgan Stanley. Your line is open, Jamie.

Please go ahead.

Jamie Rollo

Thanks. Good morning.

The first question is just on UK RevPAR. Obviously, encouraging to see that back in growth after six quarters of declines.

Your occupancy is still down year on year. I'm really wondering, first, what your sort of confidence level is in RevPAR staying positive?

I know you didn't guide, but just be good to talk about the drivers there, and also what drove the 2 percentage point outperformance in the current trading period? It's quite a big number.

Then the second question is just on the end of April on the variety of options that you're exploring with regards to the 5-year plan. I was just wondering how wide-ranging that review is.

Is it going to be mainly operational, or is it also strategic? Is it just a response to the budget, or is this also a response to the activist letter?

Is this a review by Whitbread, or does it involve an independent third party? Thank you.

Dominic Paul

Thanks, Jamie. Let's talk about current UK trading first.

Occupancy was slightly back year over year, but you also see in current trading it was very, very close to the year before. Pricing was strong.

As we optimize by room, by night, by hotel. Some of our hotels had higher occupancies than the year before, some have slightly lower.

The key thing is to optimize revenue every single room every single night, and I think we're doing a really strong job of doing that. Occupancy is very slightly back, but it's actually pretty much at the edges, which I think is really really encouraging.

I think the market, to your point about the six quarters, there was an inflection point earlier in the summer. I think we feel very confident in the underpinning of the UK hotel market by this lack of supply.

The supply growth coming into the market is still very low and we think will support the hotel industry in the UK for a number of years. We think we're best placed to take advantage of that.

Super strong brand, fantastic operations, really strong commercial program. I think you can see in the numbers that we're talking about today, real momentum building in that commercial program.

You asked a question about current trading in particular and what drove that. We had a really clear strategy to trade through December, the Christmas period, and into the New Year period.

We take every single period very carefully. We're very, very operationally and trading-focused as an organization.

There are a number of things that drove that: one, the consistency of the product, the strength of the brand, strength of our locations. Frankly, no one in the UK market can match us on those things.

Then we traded the business really well. We're making fantastic progress on things like our CRM, using the data.

Remember, the majority of our customers book direct, we've got that data from our customers. We're getting better and better at utilizing that data to drive revenue.

Our pricing actions were very carefully orchestrated, very smart, and I think helped underpin the fact that we outperformed the market quite materially through that period. I think really really encouraging overall.

I think we feel very good about that and we feel confident about the underlying market in the UK. To your kind of question about the independent review and I guess kind of Corvex in particular, the first thing I should say is we are very confident in delivering long-term value for our shareholders.

We said in November that we're reviewing a range of options to drive profits, margins, and returns, and we're going to come back and update on the 5-year plan at the end of April. We have got a fantastic board at Whitbread.

We've got an experienced, strong board. We regularly review all the strategic options available to us in order to maximize long-term value for our shareholders.

I would reiterate that we are open-minded, we're objective, we're critical in the assessments that we do, and we've got a really good track record of demonstrating this. Two examples: decisions to separate and sell Costa Coffee and return capital to shareholders, and more recently, the Accelerating Growth Plan that we announced.

These are structural changes to our business that we won't shy away from if they are the right thing to do for our shareholders. Part of the review that we'll do, of course, will take into very careful consideration the views of our shareholders.

We'll come back at the end of April and update on that. We're open-minded.

We are very confident that we've got a strong plan that's going to deliver value for our shareholders, and I think that trading statement today kind of shows the momentum that we're building. We're open-minded, we'll review all options, and we'll come back to the market and update on that at our full year results at the end of April.

Thanks, Jamie. Great.

Operator

Thank you very much. Our next question comes from Leo Carrington from Citi.

Your line is open, Leo. Please go ahead.

Leo Carrington

Good morning. Thank you.

Firstly, can I ask on the transaction this morning with LondonMetric? Can you give some more color around this, just given the timing around the budget?

I suppose was this agreed before the budget? If not, in what way did the terms or valuation change over the last few weeks?

Then secondly, on the net costs outlook. Firstly, for FY '26, in the past, and I'm thinking of the cost savings, in the past, you've mentioned the robot vacuum cleaners, the food procurements, etc.

in the operations, but the quantum of these savings and the increase since itself suggests something else possibly. If you could just give some color on what you managed to achieve since the last update, that would be really helpful.

Thank you.

Hemant Patel

Thanks, Leo. I'll take this.

I think first of all, the transaction with LondonMetric, we said at the beginning of the year we were guiding to £250 million to £300 million of disposal proceeds for the full year. This is part of that.

We're still on track to get that up. That includes sale and leasebacks as well as other disposals.

It's an £89 million deal across nine sites, net initial yield 5.3%, which we think is really good value. This is a wide range of sites including regional sites, as well as London sites as well.

We're very happy with our pricing. As you can imagine, these deals don't just happen overnight, we've been talking to them and amongst other options for a while.

The most important thing for us is to make sure that when we are making these kind of transactions, we are maximizing returns to our shareholders, because what we try to do here is raise funds here to actually invest into very high-returning projects like the Accelerating Growth Program, which is returning up in the high teens returns on capital. We're happy that we got the best pricing in the marketplace.

Clearly, things like the change in business rates has a small impact on pricing of things like sale and leasebacks, but it's not significant, and we're still really happy that we got very good pricing, and we're raising great value for shareholders by doing the deal. On net costs, yeah, I think we've got a big cost base, £1.7 billion cost base, and we've got a good record of looking for efficiencies over the last few years very very comprehensively.

It's a large process in terms of there are many different initiatives that make up the £75 to £80 million that we're going to save in efficiencies this year, and across the whole cost base from labor, across procurement, across technology costs, etc. What we're looking for is real efficiencies here.

This is not just cost cutting, this is not just taking investment out, this is actually doing the things we want to do that are right for our guests, in the most efficient way possible. It's an ongoing program.

As we get closer to the end of the year, obviously, we get more and more certainty in terms of what's going to land. We're always looking to accelerate programs, bring them forward for next year.

We're always looking to increase the scope of our individual programs and make them land better. Some of the examples you mentioned, a good example of that.

We're also adding things in as well that we haven't been able to effect. It might be through increasing the investment in technology that allows us to do that or even new ideas.

This is just something that we continue to do as inflation comes into the business. We always find further opportunities that come apart.

As labor costs go up, it makes sense for us to invest in technologies. You mentioned robot vacuum cleaners is a great example where we invest in technologies that allows us to save labor costs out.

The same applies to utility costs, the same applies to procurement costs as well. You mentioned that this is a large supply program, we've been able to accelerate that.

That's where we've taken a site-by-site warehouse model for food and beverage supply, and we've now put in a wholesale model in which has cut the cost of procurement to the actual individual items for us to be able to take advantages of the wholesalers' buying scale, but also the actual delivery costs, a much more efficient network for sharing it with other customers. Our program going forward is going to be informed heavily by things like AI, where we know there are more opportunities for things like, for instance, improving labor scheduling, forecasting, and then there are a host of other things which we probably haven't even thought of that AI is going to bring us, and obviously there are many examples in terms of just day-to-day management of the business that we're looking at as well.

A very confident program. Now we've been able to, as I say, accelerate significant cost savings into this year.

We're still happy. We up in November the target for next year to £60 million, and we're very happy we're able to achieve that as well.

Dominic Paul

Thanks, Leo.

Operator

Thank you, Hemant. Our next question comes from Jarrod Castle from UBS.

Your line is open, Jarrod. Please go ahead.

Jarrod Castle

Great. Thank you.

Good morning, everyone. I guess you changed the impact you'll see from the rates in 2027.

Do you care to give any guidance on the profile post-2027 based on existing plans, or indeed, has your view improved like it did for 2027 in terms of the rates impact? Then, just because you raised it, AI agentics, we've obviously seen signings with Google's Gemini.

What are you doing on that front for distribution? I know historically, it's probably been the highest in the industry by far in terms of direct, but how do you view the challenge there in terms of having to potentially do more through third parties, etc.?

Thanks.

Dominic Paul

Thanks, Jarrod. I'll I'll take the first part, and then I'll I'll hand over to to Hemant.

Firstly on the business rates, of course you're right. We we've we're now forecasting a circa £35 million increase in business rates next year.

It is really complicated the way it's calculated. The government, we when we came out with £50 million, it was preliminary number, the government clarified a few things, that's brought it down to £35 million.

Of course, that is a short-term financial hit. I We've got a very strong track record of mitigating costs over time, and we feel very confident in our ability to drive returns for our shareholders, for for long-term share for for to drive long-term returns for our shareholders, and we'll be updating on that further, as I said, by the end of April.

We are not just taking this increase in business rates lying down. What sort of good leadership teams do is they if they get a surprise increase in costs, they work out how to mitigate that.

We're also in ongoing conversations with the government about that. We do think the increase in business rates is punitive.

We are having direct conversations with the government about that, also UK Hospitality and the CBI are lobbying the government hard on that. There is a consultation process running at the moment, it's due to finish by the by middle of February.

We are We are working on the assumption that those business rates won't get reduced further, but it's a consultation process. We do believe what we've what, what we've set out is a worst-case scenario.

What we'll do is continue to work very, very hard on how we mitigate those increasing costs and how we drive the shareholder returns over the next over the next few years. I will just quickly touch on the distribution point, and then hand back to Hemant for the for the kind of multi-year view.

It's really interesting, isn't it? You're right, Premier Inn has got this incredibly strong direct distribution model in the UK.

Our approach is actually to set ourselves up really well for whichever way this goes. We are doing a lot of work behind the scenes on optimizing our web and app content for AI.

There is a school of thought that says actually, agentic AI will threaten the big distributors because customers over time will increasingly go direct because they'll use agentic AI to do that as opposed to use a distribution platform. We are setting ourselves up to ensure that we will benefit from that.

We're also, as using distribution to access incremental groups of customers, Expedia inbound into the UK is an example of that. The beauty of our model is, I think we're very well set up for whichever direction this goes.

We are doing a significant amount of work behind the scenes to make sure that our business is very well set up for this kind of movement to how customers are researching and choosing accommodation providers. The key thing that comes out very strongly is they look at guest ratings, they look at strength of brand, and we're very strong on both of those things.

The consistency of the product, the strength of the brand, actually is our biggest strength when it comes to a changing distribution platform. I think we're I think we're well set up, and I'm I feel very encouraged that we are approaching this with a very open with a very open mindset.

Hemant Patel

Thanks. Jarrod, yeah, on business rates, yeah, building on what Dominic has already said, clearly, yes, we came out straight off the budget with a view on about £40 to £50 million next year.

We've updated that as we found out more about transitional relief was going to be applied with this business rate regime. It's slightly different to the previous regimes not just in the profile, but actually the application of that, which became apparent, and hence the estimate of £35 million for next year, which we feel very clear on.

We haven't said anything about what that means over the longer term. Clearly, it's relatively easy to do the maths, but we have a mix of different hotels with slightly different depending on the valuation, different transitional relief profiles.

We've only obviously a 3-year rating regime. We don't know what's going to happen by year 4 and 5.

We feel confident that, as Dominic says, an April 30th when we come back and talk about the overall mitigation, an update to our 5-year plan, we'll be able to give you some more detail in terms of what we think the overall facing looks like for the business in terms of that plan. We'll give some more detail at that point.

I think the other thing is obviously there are rebates as well that we will be challenging valuations as soon as we can from April onwards, and then there'll be a multi-year process of getting rebates back against the business rates as we get those valuations agreed. Again, we don't know the phasing of that, we don't know how quickly that will happen, but we will guide to as part of our efficiency plans.

These numbers are the unmitigated before any rates rebate numbers and before any action on lobbying government. We will give some more details on April 30th in terms of what that looks like phasing, but we haven't done so at the moment and we will work through what that looks like for years 4 and 5 as well.

Dominic Paul

The other thing, just building on what Hemant said at the end there, Jarrod, the other point about business rates, which is interesting is we are in a privileged position to do a lot of work behind the scenes to mitigate the impact of business rates over time, and we are well set up to do things like the challenges, for example, that Hemant just touched on. The independent sector is going to be particularly hit by this, and the supply constraints in the hotel market are going to become more exacerbated, we believe, because of the various increases in costs in the hotel industry, whether that's minimum wage or national insurance or business rates, which is actually going to support the hotel sector over the next few years.

We are very, very well-placed to take advantage of that. We are a great track record of driving efficiencies.

As we become more and more efficient and utilize the scale of the business that we've got, we can actually extend our leadership position versus our competitors and make us harder and harder to compete against, and that's our focus. How do we get even stronger as a brand and a business through this despite the headwinds?

Operator

Right. Thanks very much.

Our next question comes from Tim Barrett from Deutsche Numis. Your line is open, Tim.

Please go ahead.

Tim Barrett

Hi, morning, both of you. Can I start with a question on costs?

Obviously, that £10 million incremental for this year is very impressive with only 6 weeks to go. It wasn't in your plan at the interims.

I'm just wondering how much of it is cash and how much of it is noncash, please? Then a second thing, just going back to the RevPARs actually, in the third quarter, London was the standout at 7%.

Was that consistent through the quarter, or is there lumpiness in London that we need to be aware of? Thanks very much.

Dominic Paul

Tim, hi Tim. I'll pass to Hemant for the first part of the question, and I'll pick up the second part of the question.

Tim Barrett

Tim, it's all cash. The reality is, we have all through the year, we've got a large plan and a probability against what we're going to deliver in terms of efficiency programs because of timing, because of the actual, once you trial things and how effective they are.

There's a large hopper of stuff we're always working on. As things crystallize, we will commit to them and we'll talk to the market.

The reality is in order to deliver £75 to £80 million, or at the beginning of the year, obviously, we're very clear £50 million, in order to deliver that, we had a very wide range of potential opportunities that we're going to be able to deliver. We've crystallized that over time.

It's real cash, real costs that are coming out of the P&L. Some of it, obviously, will be start this year, move into next year, some of it has been accelerated from this year.

For instance, you mentioned earlier on, the change in our F&B supply, through the year we've been able to bring that forward, and we've got more and more of the benefits of this year, so that we've been able to commit to that as we've seen that land. It's real P&L money, it's real cash.

Dominic Paul

Tim, just on the question about London, consistently strong actually, not particularly lumpy, consistently strong through the quarter. Again, and I've said this on the calls before, we feel very good about London overall as a market.

We're increasing our capacity in London, which is turning out to be categorically the right thing to do. It's a high-quality market.

We're relatively under-indexed in the London market. A number of our new hotels opening there, they're driving very strong returns.

One of the reasons that we feel so confident about the profitability of the new rooms that we're putting in is they disproportionately are in London, which is, as I said, a consistently strong market. Thanks, Tim.

Operator

Okay. Thanks very much.

Our next question comes from Alex Brignall from Rothschild & Co Redburn. Your line is open, Alex.

Please go ahead.

Alex Brignall

Morning. Thank you very much for taking the questions.

First one just in terms of full year '26 PBT. Hemant, you and I spoke about this earlier, but the release sort of says happy with full year expectations, but the kind of components of it suggests that there's probably a bit of an upside both in terms of the statement of the better cost efficiencies and also the better trading.

I wonder if you could sort of give us an expectation of how those pieces drop through to PBT. Cognizant you don't give guidance, but just how we might think about it sort of formulaically.

Then, a couple on the consequences of rates. How have your sort of creditors and banks and rating agencies kind of given you a tell us what you're going to do in April kind of comment?

Are you in that situation where they're effectively waiting for your plan? Then the second bit of it would be, and as the number one market share business in the UK, do you think that this is the moment when maybe you say, well, this is our opportunity to take a lot of share?

You've talked a lot about supply coming out. Often these kind of times of weakness are when the biggest businesses take a lot of market share.

Is there sort of a theoretical aggressive route where you massively bolster your balance sheet, and then you have a big arsenal of money that you can go and take a lot of share from some of your struggling competitors? Thank you.

Dominic Paul

Thanks, Alex. Let me take the second part of the question, and then I'll hand over to Hemant about full year '26.

I guess the first thing I'd say is we are extremely disciplined about our returns focus. What we won't do is just chase growth for the sake of growth.

What we will do is add capacity when we are really confident that that capacity is going to be accretive overall for our returns. Now, we're in the fortunate position, and a lot of our competitors are not in this position, we're in the fortunate position of having strong profit from the vast majority of our hotels, very strong profit and high margin.

Although the business rates next year has an impact on our business, the reality is the vast majority of our hotels will still deliver very, very strong returns and very strong profitability. Our focus, of course, is how we continue to drive that profitability moving forward, which is what we talked about updating at the end of April where we'll update and say, talk about how we mitigate business rates over time, but also how we further drive margins and returns for the business.

Now, in terms of going for growth, I do think that supply is going to remain constrained in the UK for quite a long time. That will mean that sites to us probably will offer strong returns.

Just to reiterate the point, our growth program that we've got planned is very returns-focused, and we will continue that returns-led approach to our strategy. In terms of full year '26?

Alex,

Hemant Patel

yeah, on FY '26, yeah, very clearly, we are guiding to a £10 million improvement in our cost base this year through efficiency program, which drops to the bottom line, so that should be an increase in your forecast, £10 million. Then clearly, depending on exactly what you're assuming for RevPAR, we don't guide on RevPAR, but clearly trading has been very strong across this last quarter.

We've outperformed the market. Although you'll be seeing weekly STR market data, we've outperformed that.

Again, depending on your view going forward, we might expect to see some upside coming from that RevPAR as well against previous forecasts. That's,

Alex Brignall

thank you both.

Dominic Paul

Alex, I suppose just building on that point about the growth, which is we talked about the Accelerating Growth Plan, 3,500 extra rooms Accelerating Growth Plan. That is us taking market share in the market.

It is also driving accretive and incremental returns, because we're removing the drag of lower performing branded restaurant, replacing it with higher performing extension rooms. That's a great example of how we can both drive growth, but also drive returns, and we'll take that kind of focus on returns moving forward.

Thanks, Alex.

Operator

Perfect. Thank you.

Our next question comes from Kate Shell from Bank of America. Your line is open, Kate.

Please go ahead.

Kate Shell

Good morning. Thank you so much for taking my questions.

My first question is a follow-up on the '26 guide. Can I just confirm that UK net cost inflation is still the 2 to 3% range?

I want to do the math of the 10 extra million of cost savings is equivalent to about it's 60 basis points of of year-on-year incre- year year-on-year increase of the UK cost last year of 1.63 billion. If if if the range still holds, can I understand this as the the the guide used to be closer to the 3%, and now it should be closer to the 2% of year-on-year net cost in inflation for for UK cost?

That's the first question. Then just the second question.

Can I ask on your property valuation? Obviously, you did at one age a property valuation of 5.5 to 6.4 billion.

I wonder what's your view on that valuation range after the UK business rate change? Are you looking to do another round of property valuation accordingly?

Thank you.

Hemant Patel

Thanks, Kate. As I said, the overall kind of net cost inflation is now at the bottom of that range effectively.

The important thing is it's a £10 million reduction to the forecast you had as long as you were aligned with our previous cost guidance. It's right at the bottom of that range, you're absolutely right, 2 to 3%, 2 to 2.5%.

In terms of property valuation, we did a property valuation as you say, it's something we do every few years in reality for information, and also to give some support to our ability to recycle capital as well. There's no other implications in regards to that property valuation in terms of it's not our accounting revaluation or anything like that.

It's not something we'll do that often. Business rates obviously has an impact on that.

Clearly, that's an unmitigated view. We're going to come back on April the 30th with our full view of what our 5-year plan looks like.

Clearly, to value property, you need to think about future cash flows from that property overall. There is some impact from business rates in terms of property valuation, but it's relatively minor and unmitigated as well.

We don't feel the need to do another property valuation at this stage in time.

Dominic Paul

Thanks, Kate.

Operator

As a reminder, to ask a question, please press star followed by 1 on your telephone keypad. Our next question comes from Jaafar Mestari from BNP Paribas.

Your line is open, Jaafar.

Hemant Patel

Hi, Jaafar.

Operator

Please go ahead.

Jaafar Mestari

Hi, good morning. Just one follow-up on UK business rates impact.

Hemant Patel, I think you said doing the math is relatively easy for year 2 and year 3, but maybe it's worth just doing it aloud just so we're on the same page. If I assume that the 35 million impact for '27 is effectively right at the cap, it cannot increase more than 30%, that's the transitional relief, would it be fair to assume it's sufficiently big that in year 2 you're also again right at the cap, another 25% increase this time, call it 37 million, and then I guess more debatable in year 3, is it still big enough that you're again right at the cap, and it increases another 25% and that would be 45 million in year 3?

It increased completely unmitigated, of course, but 110, 120 million over 3 years, is that what you're trying to mitigate?

Hemant Patel

Yes, of course. Hi.

Look, we haven't given the detail in terms of what the looks like because I say we want to be able to give a mitigated view of what the impact is for us across the next 5 years, which we'll do on April the 30th, including how we're going to drive overall profit and returns across the whole of the business. I don't think I quite said it was easy, but you can do the math to an extent.

The reality is, it's not quite as simple as you've said, because obviously some properties aren't going to go up at the full amount and get to the full cap. By the time you get to year 2, there'll be some properties that have already reached their increase in valuation, and obviously by the time you get to year 3, you'll have some as well.

Even potentially in year 1 as well. It's not quite as simple as that.

As I say, what we'll do, because obviously even it's more complicated because actually there are different transitional relief profiles for different valuations of site as well within that. Clearly, there are other aspects of business rates as well.

We're talking about England here effectively, because obviously three other nations that we need to consider as well, and other kinds of supplementary actual local authorities as well that local authorities charge. It's not quite as simple as that.

We will give a better view of what it looks like over the next 5 years, as I said, April the 30th, including a mitigated view of what we think it means for the 5-year plan.

Jaafar Mestari

Thank you. Year 1, kicking off, yeah.

Jaafar,

Dominic Paul

just a couple of things. As we said at the beginning, the level of increase in business rates on the hotel industry overall is punitive.

We're already working on how we mitigate those costs over time. We've got a very good track record of mitigating costs over time.

We are open-minded, we will look at all of the different options open to us. In parallel, we are working very hard with the government as they go through the consultation period to show why this isn't the right outcome for the hotel industry.

Having said that, if the government does not change their view on it, we are better-placed than any of our competitors to deal with this and make sure that we are one of the winners as we come out of this in terms of driving long-term returns and actually driving market share over time.

Jaafar Mestari

Thank you, very clear. Year 1, it is the 30%, and then it can only get a little bit better.

Hemant Patel

As I say, we'll give a better view on April 30th. Thanks, Jaafar.

Jaafar Mestari

Thank you.

Dominic Paul

Thank you. Jaafar, we can follow up separately post the call.

I'm sure there'll be a number of questions on business rates, which we are happy to follow up on. I'd like to thank everybody for their time today.

As you can see, we feel really good about the progress we're making, but also the momentum we've got in the business. We appreciate your time, and thank you very much.

Operator

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