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Q2 FY2026 · Earnings Call TranscriptJanuary 28, 2026

Operator

Good day, and welcome to the Lam Research Corporation December 2025 earnings conference call. All participants will be in listen-only mode.

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I would now like to turn the conference over to Ram Ganesh, Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Ram Ganesh

Thank you, and good afternoon, everyone. Welcome to the Lam Research quarterly earnings conference call.

With me today are Tim Archer, President and Chief Executive Officer, and Doug Bettinger, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. During today's call, we will share our overview on the business environment, and we will review our financial results for the December 2025 quarter and our outlook for the March 2026 quarter.

The press release detailing our financial results was distributed a little after 1:00 PM Pacific Time. The release can also be found on the Investor Relations section of the company's website along with the presentation slides that accompany today's call.

Today's presentation and Q&A include forward-looking statements that are subject to risks and uncertainties reflected in the risk factors disclosed in our SEC public filings. Please see accompanying slides in the presentation for additional information.

Today's discussion of our financial results will be presented on a non-GAAP financial basis unless otherwise specified. A detailed reconciliation between GAAP and non-GAAP results can be found in the accompanying slides in the presentation.

This call is scheduled to last until 3:00 PM Pacific Time. A replay of this call will be made available later this afternoon on our website.

With that, I'll hand the call over to Tim.

Tim Archer

Thank you, Ram, and good afternoon, everyone. We ended calendar year 2025 on a strong note, delivering December quarter revenues ahead of the midpoint of our guidance.

Gross margins, operating margins, and EPS all exceeded the high end of the range. Our performance demonstrates continued strong execution in an accelerating semiconductor demand environment.

At our Investor Day event last year, we outlined our tremendous opportunity to expand our market and gain share at every successive technology node. Vertical scaling of device and packaging architectures is driving higher deposition and etch intensity and moving the market to our strengths.

The vision we shared was to more than double Lam's revenue and profit over the next 5 years. Today, we are well on our way.

With the industry ramping capacity and adopting new technologies to meet the demands of the AI transformation, Lam's deposition and etch capabilities are proving to be key enablers in the transition to gate-all-around transistors, backside power deposition, high-performance materials, and 3D advanced packaging. We prepared for this moment, launching an array of new products and advanced services targeted at broadening our exposure across DRAM, leading-edge foundry logic, and NAND.

We've also invested in expanding our manufacturing and R&D footprint to increase operational velocity in response to strong customer demand. In 2025, we achieved record revenues of more than $20 billion and expanded our served available market, or SAM, share of WFE into the mid-30s percent range.

This marks solid progress toward our multiyear goal of being in the high 30s. Our ship share of WFE grew by well over 1 percentage point year-on-year, and our CSBG business hit key milestones, with the size of our installed base topping 100,000 chambers and revenue growing faster than the increase in installed base units.

We are proud of these accomplishments, but there's even more to come. The AI transformation is driving industry spending higher.

In 2025, WFE came in close to $110 billion. Our initial 2026 view is for WFE to be in the $135 billion range, with the growth in spending remaining constrained by a shortage of available cleanroom space.

Chipmakers have been public about their efforts to alleviate constraints, but they've also commented on sold-out conditions persisting, indicating the magnitude of the challenge. We expect WFE this year to be weighted to the second half, with robust growth in investments across all three device segments, led by DRAM and leading-edge foundry logic.

All indications are that we are still in the early stages of the AI build-out. End markets are signaling a strong appetite for greater compute and storage capability at both the device and package level.

In foundry logic, customers are accelerating migration to nodes employing gate-all-around transistors. If you recall, we previously said that the transition to gate-all-around equates to roughly $1 billion in incremental Lam SAM for every 100,000 wafer starts per month of capacity.

Given the 3D nature of gate-all-around structures, we are well positioned with our deposition and etch portfolio to gain share within this segment. In addition, customers are integrating more functionalities with advanced packaging.

We previously estimated advanced packaging would make up a mid-single-digit percentage of overall foundry logic equipment spend. As additional devices, including those for mobile applications, adopt more complex packaging schemes, we see this number moving higher.

In high-bandwidth memory, or HBM, advanced packaging is critical for the transition to HBM4 and 4E and stacking of up to 16 layers. Lam is in an excellent position given our market leadership in electroplating and TSV etch.

We expect our overall advanced packaging business to grow more than 40% in 2026, outperforming our view of WFE growth in this space. Finally, in NAND, demand is growing faster than previously expected as new use cases for high-capacity SSDs emerge.

Nonvolatile context memory layers that enable large-scale AI inference have the potential to add incremental growth in NAND bit demand. For every 2 to 3 million accelerators sold, we estimate an incremental 1-point increase in overall NAND bit demand growth.

Lam has the industry's largest installed base of NAND systems and is well positioned to outperform as the NAND market inflects higher. Against this backdrop of strong semiconductor demand and accelerated technology transitions, we are seeing increased momentum for our newly launched products.

Akara, our latest generation conductor etch system, has doubled its installed base over the past year, with production tool of record wins for EUV and high-aspect-ratio etch applications in advanced DRAM and foundry logic. Critical dimensions in foundry logic are shrinking by roughly 10% to 20% node to node.

Similarly, in DRAM, aspect ratios are increasing with each node, and process complexity is set to grow even more with future moves to 4F squared and 3D DRAM. Consequently, multiple customers have chosen Akara for its unmatched ability to etch the smallest dimensions at very high aspect ratios while maintaining profile control and reducing variability across the wafer.

This is achieved through new innovations, including our direct-drive solid-state power delivery hardware and tempo plasma pulsing. In next-generation gate-all-around devices, we expect the number of applications using Akara to grow by roughly two times, including wins for critical front-end silicon etch applications.

In DRAM, we already have wins with Akara for the 1c node that are set to ramp this year, and expect rolling momentum as the applications using Akara expand nearly three times in the subsequent 1d node. As we look out over a multiyear period, the unprecedented AI ramp demands greater speed and agility across the ecosystem.

Our customers are moving faster at every stage of process development and manufacturing, we have increased the velocity of our execution across the board. We are strengthening our supply base, automating logistics, and ramping high-volume manufacturing.

Over the last 4 years, we have nearly doubled our overall manufacturing capacity, and in 2025, we launched state-of-the-art automated warehouses that enable greater production efficiency. These investments have proved critical in a fast-ramping market environment, and we're set to expand our footprint further to meet the demand we see over the next several years.

Our product, sales, and support teams are also executing to the accelerated pace of customer demand. Over the course of 2025, Lam was recognized with nearly 40 supplier awards, highlighting in many cases our fast tool installations and outstanding production ramp support.

Looking forward, we see Lam's equipment intelligence solutions and Dextro cobots leading the way to the autonomous fab, with predictive and automated maintenance and precise global fleet matching. Dextro continued to gain momentum in 2025, expanding to cover six different Lam tool types.

Finally, in an environment where inflections are more complex and innovation timelines are compressing, we have transformed our R&D capabilities to help us stay ahead. We are utilizing velocity labs located close to our customers to screen new materials, new hardware, and new process regimes at a rate not previously possible.

We are also leveraging Lam's digital twin capabilities to shorten product development cycles and converge on next-generation tool and process solutions with greater efficiency. Wrapping up, the growth we envisioned for Lam at our Investor event 1 year ago is materializing faster than we anticipated.

We are making progress against our SAM expansion, share gain, and profitability objectives. With the demand environment continuing to accelerate, we are elevating our focus on scaling the company, delivering for customers, and outperforming in the AI era.

Thank you, and here's Doug.

Doug Bettinger

Great. Thank you, Tim.

Good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for joining our call today during what I know is a super busy earnings season.

Before I get into the details, I'd like to say that we were quite pleased with the strong execution across the company in calendar year 2025, which translated into record top- and bottom-line financial performance. In calendar year 2025, revenue was a record, coming in at $20.6 billion, which is up 27% year-over-year.

CSBG revenue also reached a record of $7.2 billion. Gross margin was 49.9%, the highest result as a combined company for the full year since the Novellus merger back in 2012.

Gross profit increased 31% year-over-year to $10.3 billion. We also had record operating margin of 34.1% and operating profit dollars of $7 billion, which is up 41% year-over-year.

Diluted earnings per share were $4.89, which was up 49% year-over-year. Looking at it, we delivered leverage from the top to the bottom of the P&L in 2025.

Let me turn to the December quarter results. Our revenue was above the midpoint of guidance, while gross margin, operating margin, and earnings per share all exceeded the high end of our guided range.

Revenue for the December quarter was a record, coming in at $5.34 billion. This marked our 10th consecutive quarter of revenue growth.

The deferred revenue balance at quarter-end came in at $2.25 billion, down sequentially due to an approximately $500 million reduction in those customer advance down payments. From a market segment perspective, foundry accounted for 59% of our systems revenue in the December quarter, slightly down sequentially, but up from 35% in the December 2024 period.

This underscores the success of our strategic focus and execution in foundry. Foundry strength came from investments at the leading edge in addition to mature-node spending that we saw in China.

Memory was 34% of systems revenue, in line with prior quarter. Within memory, we generated record DRAM revenue, accounting for 23% of systems revenue, which was up from 16% in the September quarter.

Investments in high-bandwidth memory continue to remain strong, driven by movement to HBM3E and 4. We also saw traditional node migrations to the 1b and 1c nodes, enabling the transition to DDR5.

Nonvolatile memory contributed 11% of our systems revenue, down from 18% in the September quarter. This trajectory was in line with our expectations for customer plans coming into the year.

Despite the quarterly decline, NAND revenues grew strongly for Lam in what was a first-half weighted calendar year 2025. As we enter 2026, we see solid end-market demand as customers prepare for the next stage of AI-driven growth in NAND.

Finally, the logic and other segment came in at 7% of systems revenue in the December quarter, slightly up sequentially. Let's turn to the regional breakdown of our total revenue.

China came in at 35%, which was a decrease from the prior-quarter level of 43%, but slightly higher than our original expectations. This was due to updates in the affiliate rule and the resulting timing of shipments from that.

The next largest geographic concentrations were Taiwan, coming in at 20%, up sequentially from 19%, and Korea at 20%, up sequentially from 15%. Customer Support Business Group generated approximately $2 billion in revenue for the December quarter, up 12% sequentially on an increase in Reliance systems.

We were 14% higher than the same period in 2024, primarily on growth in spares. CSBG obviously remains a key part of our growth strategy, with our expanding installed base and innovation in advanced services.

NAND spending enabled record upgrade revenue in 2025, up more than 90% year-over-year. In the 13 years since we brought Lam and Novellus together, I'd like to remind everybody that CSBG has grown every year except for one.

Let's look at profitability. Gross margin in the December quarter was 49.7%, which exceeded the high end of our guided range on better-than-expected customer mix.

Sequentially, gross margin was about a percentage point lower, reflecting a customer mix that was less favorable than what we saw in September. Operating expenses for December came in at $827 million, which is roughly flat sequentially.

R&D accounted for 68% of the total operating expenses. We continue investing to maintain our leadership with a differentiated product portfolio for our customers with innovations like Vantex, Akara, Halo, and Dextro.

The December quarter operating margin was 34.3%, exceeding the high end of our guidance. The non-GAAP tax rate for the quarter came in at 13.2%, generally aligned with our expectations.

We continue to see the tax rate in the low-to-mid teens for calendar 2026. Other income and expense for the December quarter was approximately $10 million in income compared with $8 million in income in the September quarter.

Slight fluctuation in OI&E was primarily the result of gains in our venture portfolio, partly offset by lower interest income. As we've talked about in the past, you should expect to see variability in OI&E quarter to quarter.

Capital return in the December quarter: we allocated approximately $1.4 billion towards share buybacks through open-market share repurchases. Our average buyback price in the quarter was approximately $154 per share.

In calendar year 2025, we repurchased approximately 39 million shares at an average price of $104 per share. We also paid $328 million in dividends in the quarter.

In calendar year 2025, we returned 85% of our free cash flow. Our plans remain to return at least 85% of free cash flow to our shareholders over time.

The December quarter diluted earnings per share were $1.27, which came in above the guidance range. The diluted share count was 1.26 billion shares, which was a reduction from the September quarter and consistent with our guidance.

We have $5.1 billion remaining on our board-authorized share repurchase plan. Let me pivot to the balance sheet.

Cash and cash equivalents totaled $6.2 billion at the end of the December quarter, a decrease from $6.7 billion at the end of the September quarter. The reduction in cash is attributed to capital return as well as capex spending.

As we look ahead, our strong cash position and continued free cash flow enable us flexibility to potentially simply repay the $750 million March 2026 notes when they mature. Days sales outstanding was 59 days in the December quarter, a decrease from 62 days in the September quarter.

Inventory turns improved to 2.7 times from 2.6 times in the prior quarter and up from 1.5 times a little over 2 years ago. As a company, we remained focused on asset utilization, and we were pleased by the sustained progress we continue to make.

Our non-cash expenses in the December quarter included approximately 89 $89 million for equity compensation, $91 million for depreciation, and $13 million in amortization. Capital expenditures for the December quarter was $261 million, which was up $76 million from the September quarter.

Spending was driven by investments in manufacturing capacity, R&D, and lab infrastructure that supports our technology roadmap and customer needs. We also purchased a new building in Arizona to support the growing industry footprint there.

This capital spending remains consistent with our global strategy of expanding capabilities close to where our customers are. Looking forward, we continue to expect capital expenditure to be in the 4% to 5% of revenue range.

We ended the December quarter with approximately 19,700 regular full-time employees, which was an increase of approximately 300 people from the prior quarter. Headcount increases were primarily within the field organization to support customer growth, as well as in R&D to support our long-term product roadmap.

Let's turn to our non-GAAP guidance for the March 2026 quarter. We're expecting revenue of $5.7 billion, plus or minus $300 million.

We're expecting gross margin of 49%, plus or minus 1 percentage point. We're expecting to see slight headwinds from customer mix.

We're forecasting operating margin of 34%, plus or minus 1 percentage point. You'll see the normal seasonal uptick in operating expenses in the March quarter.

Finally, we're forecasting earnings per share of $1.35, plus or minus $0.10, based on a share count of approximately 1.26 billion shares. Let me wrap up.

We delivered a record year in 2025, reflecting strong execution and broad-based strength across our product portfolio. As we look into 2026, we expect meaningful year-over-year growth supported by sustained demand in AI-driven markets and continued investment in capacity.

We agree with the prevailing view that much of the market will be undersupplied in 2026 due to cleanroom space constraints. In line with that, we see 2026 as a second-half weighted year.

With our strong balance sheet, an expanding installed base, and the strength of our product portfolio, we remain confident in Lam's ability to continue to outperform and deliver long-term value for our customers and shareholders. Operator, that concludes our prepared remarks.

Tim and I would now like to open up the call for questions.

Operator

Thank you. We will now begin the question-and-answer session.

To ask a question, you may press star then one on your touch-tone phone. If you are using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys.

If at any time your question has been addressed and you would like to withdraw your question, please press star then two. As a reminder, please limit yourself to one question and one follow-up.

At this time, we will pause momentarily to assemble our roster. Our first question comes from Tim Arcuri with UBS.

Please go ahead.

Tim Arcuri

Thanks a lot. Doug, I had a question about WFE this year.

You said we're going to be constrained because of the fab readiness. Is it possible to say how much?

I know you're guiding WFE to $135 this year. If we semiconductor revenue and you assume sort of a normal WFE intensity number, it seems like you could get to $150, maybe the constraints are costing the industry $15 billion.

Is it possible to give a number in terms of how much the constraints are kind of costing in terms of WFE this year, we can kind of pro forma that out?

Doug Bettinger

Tim, I knew somebody was going to ask that question. I should have anticipated it was going to be you.

Listen, it's hard for us to put a number on it, and I'm going to decline to do that as we sit here right now. The reason, Tim, is plans are somewhat fluid if we're honest, meaning people are trying to figure out how to get a little more cleanroom space, how to bring facilities on line and bump things up a little bit, we're not going to put a number on it.

I think it's safe to say, and Tim can comment on this as well, I think it sets up for '27 to also be a pretty good year as we think through this. The industry seems to be sold out for most of what it's supplying, and everybody's talking about these multiyear agreements that they're working on, and I think that's largely a reflection of the fact that demand is very strong and there's just not enough cleanroom out there.

Tim Archer

I don't have much to add, Tim, other than to say that clearly you've seen a large number of fab announcements. Those fab announcements are for capacity in '27, '28, and beyond, and so, I think there's a view that the constraints this year are going to continue even out until many of those new fabs open up.

I think we've given you a view of what we think WFE is. As Doug said, we're working on productivity improvements, get a little extra output for customers, that's how we support them, but fundamentally, it's a pretty big challenge.

Tim Arcuri

Thanks a lot. Doug, and then you're guiding gross margin down a bit on up revenue.

Sounds like it's

Doug Bettinger

Yeah.

Tim Arcuri

predominantly related to China. China was 35% in December.

Is it going to come down, is that the reason why the gross margin is coming down, and if so, what mix do you think China will be for March?

Doug Bettinger

I'm not going to give you a hard number, Tim, but yes, it's customer mix. It's going to be less rich in the March quarter.

I'll also remind everybody that this isn't a fixed-cost business for us, so as volume goes up and down, the component that just benefits from revenue growing isn't that big. The mix component of both product as well as customer is the important item.

You're latched on to the right thing, Tim.

Tim Arcuri

Thank you.

Doug Bettinger

Yep, thank you.

Operator

The next question comes from C.J. Muse with Cantor Fitzgerald.

Please go ahead.

CJ Muse

Good afternoon. Thank you for taking the question.

I guess to follow up on that last question, Doug, could you speak a bit about the work you're doing with the supply chain, bringing on manufacturing, ramping Malaysia, and how we should think about that in the context of gross margins as revenues ramp in the second half of calendar '26 and beyond?

Doug Bettinger

C.J., we've been talking for a while, I think, about capex growing as a result of expanding manufacturing capability. Tim specifically talked about it doubling over the last 4, 5 years, it's been an item that we've been clearly very focused on.

We're ramping globally, and you're right that Malaysia location is our biggest location as we sit here today, and we're trying to get more out of that in addition to everywhere that we are. The mix component, C.J., is going to be more important than anything, at least in the near term, less than just volume ramping.

CJ Muse

Great. Thanks.

Maybe a follow-up question on CSBG. I would think your customers are trying to get every bit that they can out, and so, the uplift that you saw in the December quarter, and I assume continued strength into March, is that something that will sustain throughout the whole calendar year and should drive better than kind of that 12% growth CAGR, or does that take a pause at some point as the transition focuses on greenfield investments?

Tim Archer

C.J., I'll let Doug speak to the specific numbers, but I think that what you should keep in mind is that CSBG, a lot of our growth, of course, is driven by customers' near-term actions and what we need to do to help them get maximum amount of output from the tools they have. A lot of the growth really is we're transforming our service business to be much more oriented towards the use of equipment intelligence for predictive maintenance as a way of getting more output from tools, and also implementation of Dextro cobots for our automated maintenance.

Both of those things, not only will drive top-line growth, but also margin profitability improvement just given the efficiency with which we deliver those services. I think there's a number of moving pieces that are all positive for CSBG.

Doug Bettinger

I would just add, C.J., we were pleased to see the chamber count number up. Obviously, we knew that was coming, and we're happy to share it with you, so that's an aspect of what we're continuing to take advantage of going forward.

It's very consistent, though, with what we articulated at that Investor Day back, I guess almost a year ago. I would still want you thinking about CSBG growing the same way we described it back then, which is kind of high single digit, maybe low double digit.

We had a very strong December quarter. It was primarily the result of Reliance systems.

That piece might be a little bit lumpy, it always is, but again, CSBG is just going to keep chugging along.

CJ Muse

Thank you.

Doug Bettinger

Thanks, C.J.

Operator

The next question comes from Atif Malik with Citi. Please go ahead.

Atif Malik

Hi, thank you for taking my question. The first one for Tim.

Tim, on the DRAM market, when do you see the volume adoption of 4F squared from 6F squared, and can you talk about your SAM market share when you move to 4F squared? I know you called out Akara in your prepared remarks.

Tim Archer

Yeah. I think 4F squared, obviously there's still some question as to exact timing, and customers have talked about it being something towards the end of the decade probably for full volume production.

Clearly we're engaged today with customers looking at the technical needs. We called out Akara, Akara is very well suited to the types of high-aspect-ratio, very small features that exist in 4F squared as well as other devices.

We talked about whether it's future gate-all-around or even as foundry logic moves to CFET, and so, Akara is sort of a foundational tool for us in terms of capabilities that are going to be important for all of these transitions. You really should think about those kinds of technology transitions occurring probably after this next big wave of fab openings.

Again, back to the constraint question, in some ways, if this turns out to be as we believe a multiyear build-out of fabs, the fabs that come towards the end of that will be the fabs that benefit from the SAM expansion and share gain that we're going to see coming from these new products that we've talked about. Anyway, I think 4F squared is probably on the back end of that, but there's a lot in between that will also drive our business.

Atif Malik

Great. Then, Doug, on the NAND market, I know the memory dynamics were in line with your expectations in the December quarter, but NAND was down sequentially, DRAM up.

Do you see the NAND makers slowing down technology migrations as they focus more on in terms of minting money given how the supply shortages are materializing? When do you see NAND new capacity additions coming on?

Doug Bettinger

Atif, no, listen, NAND played out exactly as we saw it as the year began in 2025, and as we sit here looking in 2026, it'll be a growth year for NAND, there's no question about that in our minds. I think what I observed the memory customers doing, at least to the extent that they have both NAND and DRAM right now anyway, is prioritizing DRAM over NAND a little bit because profitability there is somewhat better.

I think you all understand that and know that. That doesn't mean that people aren't focused on NAND.

In fact, one of our largest customers announced a new fab that's going to be heavily emphasizing NAND capacity. That's on the come line.

We see that happening as we get into '26, growth that is happening. We're still sticking by, we think upgrades happen before real capacity additions, but you're going to see a combination of both.

That $40 billion that we've been talking about likely happens quicker than what we originally expected a year ago. Anyway, we feel quite good about where NAND is trending.

Atif Malik

Thank you.

Doug Bettinger

Thanks, Atif.

Operator

The next question comes from Vivek Arya with Bank of America Securities. Please go ahead.

Vivek Arya

Thanks for taking my questions. You're guiding WFE up 23%.

I think last year, you said you gained a point of share. Do you expect to maintain or gain share this year, Tim?

What are kind of the puts and takes around the different markets? Then specifically, what are you assuming for China contribution overall for WFE, and what that means for Lam in calendar '26?

Tim Archer

Yeah. Let me take the first part of it.

I think what's important to remember from the longer-term plan we laid out at last year's Investor Day and things I said on the call today, we expect to gain share and expand our SAM at every successive technology node. To your point, do we plan to sustain or increase share, the answer is we plan to increase our share of WFE again this year.

What needs to take place is technology transitions need to keep occurring. What we're seeing in the environment today is those are accelerating.

That's a way for customers to get more output and more output of the types of devices that are strongly demanded by the AI environment. At the same time, those technology transitions are driving higher deposition and etch intensity, which is pretty much our entire business.

From that perspective, that's a real positive for us. Then we've talked about the success of our new products.

We have refreshed our conductor etch product line, we've previously refreshed our dielectric etch line, we've launched MoLY, dry resist is gaining traction, we're strong in advanced packaging, backside power is still to come and it's going to be a driver for us, and so I think we have confidence that whatever the WFE is, if it's technology-driven as it looks like it will be, we will continue to expand SAM, gain share of WFE. Now as far as China goes, I think that we are looking at China being more kind of flatish year-on-year.

Therefore, as the rest of the technology-driven part of the business grows, becoming a smaller percentage of our overall revenue.

Vivek Arya

Got it. For my follow-up, I think in the past, you have given this $40 billion or so addressable opportunity to upgrade the installed base to higher layer counts.

I'm curious where are we now at versus that $40 billion number? How much more to go?

Given this enhanced role of NAND in AI inference, is there a new number versus that $40 billion number that you had before? Thank you.

Tim Archer

I think we might wait until a little later in the year to refresh that number. We've said a few times now, the specific wording we used at Investor Day was $40 billion over several years.

We've now, I think on almost every earnings call said, that seems to be happening faster than expected, and today I reiterated that, which was, NAND is moving faster than we expected on the upgrade path. I think we'll come out and look.

As Doug just mentioned, we're starting to see more interest in investing in NAND capacity, but it trades off. When you have cleanroom space, everybody has to make a decision as to where to use that today.

I think that as we move forward and we see the growth from AI inference and other use cases, NAND is going to take its place in the AI data infrastructure and memory infrastructure, and I think you'll see growth there. We're just executing to the customer demand today faster than they had previously expected and anticipate more to come.

Vivek Arya

Thank you, Tim.

Doug Bettinger

Thanks, Vivek.

Operator

The next question comes from Srini Pajjuri with RBC Capital. Please go ahead.

Srini Pajjuri

Thank you. Tim, I want to go back to the previous question.

That the 1 point of WFE share that you gained, maybe if you could help us understand if it is coming primarily from in foundry and logic or if you're seeing that across the board. Because foundry and logic is where you, I think, made the most progress in the last couple of years.

Then, Doug said you expect year-on-year growth to be meaningful this year. Just given your WFE expectation for 22% growth, I guess should we model 22% plus growth on the top line for the year?

Tim Archer

Let me take the first one. The share gains came from a combination of both NAND and foundry logic.

Again, it's, you might think already we have very high share in NAND, but as technology transitions occur and layer count increases, we have an opportunity still to gain share of some of the new applications required to enable those higher layer counts. We gained share in NAND.

A lot of our focus we've talked about over the last number of years has been to launch products that allow us to gain share at the gate-all-around nodes, more advanced foundry logic, and the transitions that are coming there, and also in advanced DRAM. We saw this year some of those foundry logic share gains coming through in the numbers that you can see.

I'd say those primarily NAND and foundry logic this year. Then, sorry, the second question, can you just repeat the second question?

What was that second question, Srini?

Srini Pajjuri

I guess my second question was about your expectation for the current year. I know you said,

Tim Archer

Doug,

Srini Pajjuri

it's going to be second half weighted,

Tim Archer

but,

Srini Pajjuri

yeah.

Tim Archer

Oh, got it. Sorry.

No, your comment was basically will we outperform the WFE that we just talked about,

Srini Pajjuri

and

Tim Archer

I guess that's the message we're trying to deliver is we're going to expand SAM, gain share, and we're going to outperform WFE this year is our current view.

Srini Pajjuri

Got it. Thanks for that.

Then quickly on the op margin, Doug, I think at the Analyst Day, you gave us a guidance for 34% to 35% at roughly $25 to $27 billion, and you're already there. I think you're at around $23 billion run rate, if I look at your March guidance.

I guess my question is, as you go through the next few quarters, how should we think about the op margin fall-through? I know you're guiding opex a sliver of growth here, but just want to understand how we should model opex going forward.

Doug Bettinger

Srini, thanks for the question. No, we're pretty pleased with how we've performed.

Clearly, we're ahead of the model, right? That model is '28 kind of model.

We're run-rating, at least on a percentage basis, what the model suggests we're going to be able to do. Ram and I and Tim were debating a little bit.

We probably later in the year need to come out and give you an update on that model, and I think we'll do that. Lots has changed in the last year or so, stay tuned for that.

I think as we think about this year, frankly, this is a management team that prides itself on being able to deliver leverage through to the bottom line. We really did a great job with it last year, which is why I went through all the kind of demonstration of what we did last year.

We will be focused on delivering leverage as we go through this year as well, and like I said, we'll give you an update to that longer-term model probably later in the year.

Srini Pajjuri

Thanks, Doug.

Doug Bettinger

Thanks, Srini.

Operator

The next question comes from Jim Schneider with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Jim Schneider

Good afternoon. Thanks for taking my question.

Relative to your prior comments on NAND, understand there's a little bit more prioritization toward DRAM right now, but when do you expect that your customers are going to sort of pivot from NAND upgrades to more greenfield NAND capacity additions? We saw some announcements from at least one of your customers recently on that.

Curious about when you expect to sort of see that upgrade business turn into greenfield business. Could that be before the end of 2026, or is it more of a 2027 event or maybe even later?

Thank you.

Tim Archer

It's a great question. I think that the way we view it right now is that because of the cleanroom space constraints, it's probably, again, part of that multiyear build-out, '27, '28, when cleanroom space is sufficiently available such that they can invest in additional NAND capacity in a big way.

That's probably our view right now. In the meantime, we've talked about the acceleration of the technology transitions.

You do get big growth, you get more capacity of the higher-performing bits that are in strong demand in AI, and so I think that those are the decisions that people are making today is move ahead as quickly as possible with many of the key technology transitions. We're busy doing upgrades and that's where our focus is right now.

Greenfield will come eventually, and you've seen some of those initial announcements. I think that's encouraging for all of us.

Jim Schneider

It's very clear, thanks. Then maybe just as a follow-on, I think we all can see the trends by foundry, DRAM, and NAND, they're in play right now, in terms of level of growth rate.

As we head into 2027 or the end of 2026, do you see the potential rank order of those growth rates sort of changing amongst those categories?

Doug Bettinger

Oh, man, Jim, that's a great question going into '27. We just for the first time gave you a '26 number, you're asking '27.

Listen, in '26, we're very confident everything is growing. It's unequivocal, and we're also very clear when we look, everything is constrained, frankly, right?

You're hearing it from every one of our customers when they talk about things, and they're talking about these multiyear agreements to kind of deliver the visibility into next year. Foundry and logic is growing a lot this year, DRAM's growing a lot this year, NAND is growing a little bit less, but still growing pretty well this year.

At the end of the day, though, when you look at these system architectures, all this stuff needs to fit together, and you saw one of the big accelerator guys talking about this at CES, like, "Hey, we need this NAND stuff showing up." That's happening clearly.

Into '27, I think we're going to see another year where everything is growing. I'm not ready to rank order it quite yet, Jim, though.

Tim Archer

I think as we move through this year, though, we already, I would say have better visibility into the following year than I think I can ever remember. That's simply because customers know that they're building these fabs, they're announcing them, they're signaling to their customers they're going to have that capacity available.

Clearly, we're having discussions at this point on what tools are going to be needed, what technology nodes they're going to be running in those fabs, and they want to make sure that they can secure the capacity such that that fab can be started up and producing as quickly as possible. Those discussions on those fabs are clearly out into 2027, but I think in terms of exactly how those decisions get made through this year, and once you have cleanroom space, as we just talked about, they can trade off sometimes a little bit of cleanroom space to be used for DRAM or for NAND, or for what we've seen in a few cases is for advanced packaging.

I talked about the tremendous growth in advanced packaging and the role that it's playing. We've been seeing that.

I guess we'd have to see the year continue to evolve and kind of where the demand is the shortest, but we would anticipate, as we said, robust investment across all device segments, and I think that continues on into 2027 across all three segments.

Jim Schneider

Thank you.

Doug Bettinger

Thanks, Jim.

Operator

The next question comes from Krish Sankar with Cowen and Company. Please go ahead.

Krish Sankar

Hi. Thanks for taking my question, and congrats on the good results and guide.

Doug, my first question is, I understand that you spoke about the global manufacturing footprint doubled over the last 4 years. Just wondering, as your customers ramp up more onshore manufacturing, would it lead to you increasing shipments from your US facilities in California and Oregon rather than Malaysia for some of your products?

If so, what would be the margin implications?

Doug Bettinger

Krish, listen, we have a global manufacturing footprint, right? We've got factories in Oregon, California, Ohio, Malaysia, Taiwan, Korea, Austria.

I think I didn't miss anything there. We have some level of flexibility given enough time to move things around if we really need to do that.

As customers tell us what they need and where they need it, we may adjust things. Right now, I think we feel pretty good about how we've got things set up, though.

Krish Sankar

Got it. Thanks for that.

Then, Tim, I just had a follow-up for you, a technical question. Last year, you had really good traction in ALD MoLY.

Are customers moving away from single-wafer ALD to batch ALD for MoLY? If so, how would that impact Lam?

Tim Archer

No. At this point, we had said previously that in kind of the order of adoption, NAND would be first to adopt MoLY, and we're seeing that, followed by foundry logic and then ultimately by DRAM.

What we can say right now is that the customers that have committed to production using MoLY in NAND have gone with Lam's tools. We have a very strong position there.

I think that the value of that is, as we talked in the past is, it means that throughout these first production ramps with ALD MoLY, we are building the installed base, we're maturing the tool, we're getting process learning. Competitors aren't going to give up.

This is an incredibly important market and a big inflection that we've talked about, but we feel really good about our single-wafer MoLY, but if you look at the tool itself, it has multiple stations inside of one chamber in order to give ourselves high productivity. That's the production tool of choice today for the industry, and we intend to continue to keep it that way.

Krish Sankar

Got it. Thanks a lot, Tim.

Doug Bettinger

Thanks, Krish.

Operator

The next question comes from Harlan Sur with JPMorgan. Please go ahead.

Harlan Sur

Good afternoon, and great job on the quarterly execution. Just as many of your customers have been surprised by the sudden rise in compute and storage demand, and therefore, requirements for more GPUs, XPUs, CPUs, and their associated memory and storage, they obviously got caught somewhat flat-footed in terms of sort of near- to mid-term capacity to support that demand curve, right, as you guys outlined.

Is the stronger velocity of demand having a similar impact to your manufacturing capability and ability to procure the necessary components and subsystems, and any bottlenecks that you have in your supply chain?

Tim Archer

It isn't without a lot of hard work, but one good news is, we did a lot of fact-finding post the COVID pandemic and the supply shortages that occurred in our own systems at that time, and we made a lot of improvements. Doug just talked about the global nature of our manufacturing facilities, spanning from the US and Europe and all through Asia.

We looked at the same thing with respect to our supply chain, and I would say today compared to when we had those shortages, we have built a much stronger, broader, deeper supply chain. I don't want to sell short the hard work of our supply chain guys today to meet all these expedited pull-in requests from customers, it's very hard work, but today I would say we're not the big constraint for any of the devices compared to cleanroom space being a constraint to the industry.

As the industry continues to go, we need to keep working to again expand our capacities, as I said, make our own operations faster, it's why we've done things like automating our warehouses to make the rate at which we can feed those parts from the time they're received from the supplier into the manufacturing that much quicker and more efficient. We're just continually working on what I referred to as our operational velocity, and so that we're not the constraint.

Harlan Sur

Appreciate that. Then for my second question, one of the significant, obviously, and incremental drivers of your business among many has been advanced packaging in HBM.

You guys did about $1 billion plus in advanced packaging revenues, I think it was in calendar '24. You're anticipating strong 40% plus growth this year.

Can you guys quantify how much advanced packaging grew for the team in calendar '25? Then of that 40% growth this year, is that being more driven by 2.5D, 3.5D advanced packaging or HBM?

Doug Bettinger

Harlan, we didn't quantify 2025 in packaging except to tell you it grew nicely, and I think we're going to kind of leave it at that. Tim gave you the 40% this year, we're super excited about what's going on there, and I'll let Tim talk about the technologies.

Tim Archer

We've lumped it together. It is strength in HBM, clearly there's strong demand there, but also I talked about more complex packaging schemes across advanced foundry logic, and that's an important driver for us as well.

The great thing about our advanced packaging capabilities is, they're used in the advanced packaging of all device types. It's things like copper plating, it's things like etch, dielectric gapfill, and so they're really fundamental technologies to the success.

We see that as a really important business, and we've talked about the fact that we continue to invest in new technologies in that space.

Harlan Sur

Thank you.

Doug Bettinger

Thanks, Harlan.

Operator

The next question comes from Stacy Rasgon with Bernstein Research. Please go ahead.

Stacy Rasgon

Hi, guys. Thanks for taking my questions.

For my first one, Doug, you've clearly said it's a second-half loaded year, which is fine. What does that imply for the first half of the calendar year?

Is March quarter the trough? Do you think things are kind of flatish at the March level until we get that second-half inflection?

Just how are you thinking about the shape of the year?

Doug Bettinger

Stacy, it's a great question. Frankly, as I sit here right now, I think we're going to see growth every quarter from the previous quarter.

I'm not going to give you a precise number. We feel good about that March quarter.

I think June probably grows from that, September from that, and it ends up being a second-half weighted year both from a WFE standpoint and from our revenue.

Stacy Rasgon

I guess to get there, would you need an inflection in that growth rate in the second half? I guess some of it's compares, which makes it easier, but just are you thinking there's an inflection?

Do you think the growth is steady, or

Doug Bettinger

I think it's reasonably steady. Part of it's going to get modulated by, okay, how much cleanroom space is available at each customer, and I think that they're trying to figure out still, and so are we, which is why I'm not giving you a more specificity.

It will be second-half weighted, but like I said, I think you'll see growth quarter by quarter as we go through '26.

Tim Archer

Stacy, I guess the only thing I would add is I was just going to add that my comment about basically every customer's asking for pull-ins, and so there's some element of whether or not we can accelerate some small portion into the first half of the year. We would still see growth in the second because obviously that probably means things start pulling in from the first half of next year as well.

We're in an accelerating environment of both demand and also timing requests, and so I think that back to the question that was asked about constraints, yeah, I think we need to see through the year how those play out as to kind of how much we can do.

Stacy Rasgon

Got it. Thank you.

That's helpful. For my second question, I just wanted to ask about China.

Doug, I think you said you expected China to be flatish year-over-year. Was that a market statement, or was that a Lam revenue statement?

The percentage should go down, I guess it was, I don't know, it was 36% or something in calendar '25. You had talked previously about a 30% threshold.

Do you think it gets to that 30%, or do you think it's just down, but doesn't quite get there?

Doug Bettinger

Stacy, the comment, in fact, Tim made it, was we think WFE in China is flatish '25 to '26, and everything else is going to grow, so as a percent of the total, it's going to be down. We didn't give a precise number, whether it's in the low 30s or high 20s, that's plus or minus probably where it is, and part of it will be modulated by how much growth comes from outside of China.

Numerator-denominator thing as well, obviously.

Stacy Rasgon

Yeah. I got it.

Thank you so much. Appreciate it.

Doug Bettinger

Thanks, Stacy.

Operator

The next question comes from Blayne Curtis with Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Blayne Curtis

Hey, guys. Thanks for squeezing me in.

A couple of questions. Maybe just, Doug, I wanted to just understand the strength in Reliance, with China down.

Is that multinational? I just was curious where you're seeing that demand.

I know you said it was lumpy, I just was curious why it was up so much.

Doug Bettinger

It was multinational and it was China, it was a little bit of both of them, Blayne.

Blayne Curtis

Got you, thanks. Then just on the NAND front, obviously the demand is very strong.

You talked about the upgrades happening earlier. Does that fit in the camp of also second-half weighted?

It's not waiting on cleanroom space, I'm just kind of curious the shape of NAND through the

Doug Bettinger

year. Probably is a little bit second-half weighted, Blayne.

Blayne Curtis

Okay. Thank you.

Doug Bettinger

Thanks, Blayne.

Operator

The next question comes from Melissa Weathers with Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.

Melissa Weathers

Hi, thank you. I wanted to go back to the NAND side and touch on something that Tim mentioned in his prepared remarks on the expanding applications for NAND in the data center, and Doug, you kind of alluded to some of the CES announcements as well.

Is the right interpretation that those applications in the data center have expanded versus what you guys had been thinking? Because you guys have been talking about NAND in the data center for several quarters now.

Is that the right way to think about it? Then what could this mean for your MoLY ALD, your 300-layer type devices and the expanding share you could get there?

Tim Archer

Sure. I think we characterized it as a new use case, I don't think we saw this particular use case coming, which is related to AI inference and kind of the expansion of KV cache and such.

I think our previous estimates had been more kind of on more traditional storage for using enterprise SSDs, and so, yeah, this is an expansion and kind of presents a bit longer-term growth opportunity for NAND, and so therefore, it would be beyond the kind of projections that we would have given back at Investor Day a year ago for the outlook for NAND long term.

Melissa Weathers

Great. Thank you.

Then a quick question on the inventory side of things. Doug, I just wanted to check in and see how you're thinking about parts availability and your ability to scale production in line with demand.

Can you help us with a framework to think about how you're thinking about inventories on a days or dollars basis?

Doug Bettinger

Melissa, no, it's a great question. Listen, if we're right about how things play out here, it's very likely that we're going to need to build some inventory in total dollar terms as we go through the year, right?

When business grows, you got to have stuff ready for the growing business, I think that's clearly going to happen. We will remain focused on asset utilization and efficiencies and hopefully be able to drive turns up a little bit from here, but we definitely are going to need to build some inventory in advance of a growing top line.

We'll be working on all of that, Melissa.

Melissa Weathers

Thank you.

Doug Bettinger

Thanks, Melissa.

Operator

The next question comes from Joe Quattrocchi with Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.

Joe Quattrocchi

Hey, thanks for taking the questions. Maybe just to follow up on that, is there any area of your supply chain where you're pushing suppliers maybe that could be a potential area of shortage, or do you feel like there's available capacity to continue to kind of support the growth you're talking about?

Tim Archer

I think that we don't have any line of sight to significant problems at this point. I made the comment a couple times that it's clearly a lot of work given the accelerated nature of the demand and the high levels of demand, and customer requests for pull-ins, well within our normal lead times, but at this point, we're working across our global supply chain to ensure that we can meet the demand.

Joe Quattrocchi

Thanks. Maybe as a follow-up, China now expected to be flatish, is that a reflection of just the affiliate rule impacts re-entering kind of WFE across the company base or in terms of your peers, or is there a change in the underlying demand that you're seeing as well in China?

Doug Bettinger

Oh, I think, Joe, it's probably a little bit the affiliate rule, but frankly, there's a broad-based set of customer spending in China that have nothing to do with the affiliate rule, it's the mosaic of everything that's going on there. It's very broad.

Joe Quattrocchi

Thank you.

Doug Bettinger

Thanks, Joe. Operator, we will do one more question.

Operator

Our next question comes from Vijay Rakesh with Mizuho. Please go ahead.

Vijay Rakesh

Oh, thanks. Thanks for squeezing me in.

Hi, Tim and Doug. Just a quick question on the foundry side.

I think China was down, I guess, you mentioned affiliate rule, but your foundry is growing almost 100% plus year-on-year. Just wondering, as you look at '26, '27 with some of the leading-edge foundries accelerating, how you see that road map.

Tim Archer

Yeah. I guess speaking to what it looks like from roadmap perspective is, each technology node, we've said the opportunity for Lam from an etch and dep intensity perspective and how our tools, like the Akara and others fit into that, the opportunities get bigger.

As you move forward, you start seeing things that, again, we would anticipate future nodes, we've talked '27, '28, the introduction of things like backside power, again, more use of advanced packaging across more of the leading-edge foundry space. All of those things are good for us from both a SAM and a share perspective, from a product perspective, it's a very good picture for us.

Vijay Rakesh

Got it. Then on the DRAM side, I know you mentioned briefly HBM4 with 16 layers, obviously, that's a nice step up from where HBM is now.

Can you talk to what that does for your WFE content and the growth there on the DRAM HBM side? Thanks.

Tim Archer

Just in general terms, what happens as you end up going to next-generation HBM, dies become bigger, and that's generally what is creating the majority of the problem relative to when we talk about cleanroom space constraints, you need more cleanroom space and more tooling per fit that comes out of the fab. Therefore, that was what we were trying to communicate is, obviously, the performance improves, but the space required and the equipment required increases.

Vijay Rakesh

Got it. Thank you.

Doug Bettinger

Thank you, Vijay. Appreciate everybody's questions today.

That concludes our call for today. We look forward to seeing everybody as we do the conference circuit and get out on the road.

Thank you for your time today.

Operator

Thank you, everyone. The conference is now concluded.

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