Fastighets AB Balder Class B

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Q3 FY2026 · Earnings Call TranscriptOctober 23, 2026

Jonas Eriksson

Hi everyone, and welcome to this presentation of Balder's Q3 results 2026. With me in the room I have Sharam and Ewa, CEO and CFO of Balder, and I will first hand the word to them for run-through of some of the slides, and then we will open up for questions.

Sharam Rahi

Thanks Jonas. As usual, we start with this picture.

Our portfolio is roughly half residential and half commercial. We have a portfolio value of 246 billion Swedish crowns and an occupancy rate of 95 and net debt of 50.2%.

We have a good liquidity of 25 billion Swedish crowns, and NAV per share now stands at 97 Swedish crowns. That's a growth compounding rate of 24% since the start of Balder.

Our credit rating from S&P remains at BBB with a stable outlook. If you look at the figures for this quarter, rental income is up 6%, profit from property management is down 2%.

If you adjust the comparative figures for the effect of distribution of Norion, we instead have an increase of 11%. Our funding cost increased from last year, but at a slower pace than our portfolio has grown.

In current earning capacity, we have seen an increase in profit per share of 11%, adjusted for Norion's contribution in the comparative figures, which means that we have seen an underlying healthy growth. Like-for-like rental growth is 1.2%, and NAV per share is now 97 Swedish crowns, that as I said before.

Looking at the earning capacity, you can see that rental income is up, and net financial items is up as well. All in all, 6.1 billion Swedish crowns, which is unchanged from the last quarter, and 5.2 Swedish crowns per share.

You can also see that the improvement per share is a bit better than the profit improvement. The reason is that we bought back roughly 13 million million shares in this quarter.

Here is an overview of the portfolio, which is very well diversified. Helsinki is the single largest region, followed by Gothenburg, Stockholm, and Copenhagen.

The residential side of the portfolio is a little bit more than 50% of the portfolio. Office stands for 15%, retail 11%, industrial logistics 7%, and other stands for 13%, and the hotel are the majority of that.

Looking at the whole portfolio, you can see that 80% is located in capitals and larger cities. We have always had a long-term view on the business, which of course we will continue.

If you take a longer time horizon, we have a really good improvement over the years. The latest three, four years has been flattish, obviously because of the interest rates going from zero and upwards, and because of the distribution of Norion.

Here you can see that the development of property values, net debt to total assets, and occupancy. We have over time increased the portfolio, and net debt has been around 50% for some time.

We would like to decrease our leverage a bit over the coming years. Occupancy rate is now 95%, and as you can see, it has been very stable, which is an effect of our diversified portfolio.

The explanation for a bit weaker occupancy compared to earlier 96% is primarily due to some weakness in the office segment occupancy. Yes, that was all for me, and now I will hand over to Ewa to comment a little bit more about the financing.

Ewa Wassberg

Thank you Sharam. Looking at the financing, the funding mix is more or less a 50/50 split between bank and bond financing.

The level of available liquidity is continuously a bit elevated due to the concentration of large maturities in the beginning of 2027. The interest rate fixing and hedging ratio is stable.

Our average funding cost has increased slightly in the quarter. During the last couple of years, because of the volatility in the rates market, we have had the opportunity to enter hedges with optionality, like an extendable swap, at very favorable rates.

It's hard to judge whether these opportunities will continue. If they don't, this might present a slight headwind on our financing costs compared to our normal hedging activities.

Net debt to total asset is down a bit to 50.2% in spite of continuous share buybacks. The ICR is at 2.4, and rolling 12 months net debt to EBITDA is 13.

If you look at Q3 compared to last quarter, net debt to EBITDA was down 0.7 times, primarily due to FX effects and that acquisitions made in previous quarters were not fully reflected in the EBITDA for the second quarter. Here you can see the long-term trend of the portfolio value in relation to net debt to total assets.

As I mentioned on the previous slide, net debt to total assets came down a little bit during the quarter, from 50.4% to 50.2%. Current encumbrance level is at 24.1%, and with our current funding mix, we think a level roughly in the 23% to 25% range is where we will be.

Over to the maturity structure. During the quarter, we took advantage of the favorable conditions in the bond market and issued a green bond in the SEK market amounting to 500 million SEK on the tightest spread level since 2021.

Currently, our bond funding is cheaper than the bank funding, comparing like-for-like maturities. However, during the last few weeks, there has been a widening of bond spreads, in particular in the eurobond market, let's see how things develop in coming months and quarters.

This slide we have shown before, and it's a structural overview of the funding and capital side. As we said before, we will continue to have a balanced capital allocation until reaching our target of 11 times net debt to EBITDA, and that target remains unchanged.

We expect net debt to EBITDA to gradually come down. I would not expect net debt to decrease in absolute amounts, but rather EBITDA being the factor that will improve this metric.

Here is also an updated calculation on the convertible bond, which when that is converting, assuming that we are above the strike price, obviously will have a positive effect on the indebtedness numbers. That was all from us, and on that, I will leave the floor open for questions.

Operator

If you wish to ask a question, please dial pound key 5 on your telephone keypad to enter the queue. If you wish to withdraw your question, please dial pound key 6 on your telephone keypad.

The next question comes from Staffan Bülow from SB1 Markets. Please go ahead.

Staffan Bülow

Good morning, and thank you for the presentation. I have a couple of questions, starting off with buybacks.

You've repurchased shares for 700 million crowns this quarter, and that's a run rate of 2.8 billion or 5% of the shares, as you say in the CEO letter. You've reached the conclusion that that pace suits you well.

Could you elaborate on how you have reached that conclusion?

Jonas Eriksson

Morning Staffan. No, I think when you look at our cash flow run rate, and then you deduct some sort of minor investments that we always take in development projects or the existing portfolio, then you have a certain amount left.

If we are pretty much zero net buyers in the market, you will end up with something around that number. We might even be able to buy something small, but that's really using the cash flow for share buybacks for the most part.

Staffan Bülow

All right, free cash flow funded buybacks, understood. Looking at the investment cash flow in Q3, you've been a net buyer of investment properties, quite small, but still.

Do you expect that case to be that case going forward as well? Now,

Jonas Eriksson

I think Sharam mentioned in the CEO letter as well that most of those transactions have been ongoing discussions for a long time. I don't think we would have initiated those discussions today when we have this share price level.

The relative attractiveness of the share buybacks is too high. At the same time, I think the difference is not as large as you might think, because the acquisitions that we have made, I think we feel are pretty decent.

I think ultimately, Staffan, I fully realize why you're focused on the share buybacks, but I think from our perspective, having 11% growth of the profit from property management per share in Q3 compared to last year, I think that that's sort of more the number that we are trying to optimize. Obviously share buybacks is a very good tool when the share price is at the current level, but it's not the only tool in the toolbox

Staffan Bülow

sort of. Thank you.

You've made one divestment of an associated company, Anthon B Nilsen, in the quarter. Are you looking to divest more associated companies and JV structures?

Jonas Eriksson

No, and Anton was not part of a sort of divestment program of any kind. It was, I think Erik alluded to that when we started that process as well, that it's a sort of generation shift in that company, and we've built the company with the founders, and when they retired, we decided to divest it.

That it's not sort of part of a structural program to divest things, but it's good timing, and it suited us and the other owner as well.

Staffan Bülow

That makes sense. One final question for me, and that's on the like-for-like outlook for Finnish resi, what it's looking like.

Jonas Eriksson

Let me just add one thing on the JVs, Staffan. I think what we've said as well for the last few quarters is that JVs obviously should exist for a reason and for a purpose.

There's no point in having loads of assets in JVs for the sake of it, and you've seen us obviously divest some of those in the last few years. In that sense, I think we've become a little bit more stringent in there has to be a very clear purpose with the JV.

Anton is one example. We also divested parts of the portfolio that we owned together with Investor recently, as you've seen.

I think I just wanted to add that to the discussion around the JVs.

Staffan Bülow

All right, yeah, thanks for the clarification. Then, yeah, my final question was on the like-for-like outlook for Finnish resi for next year.

Jonas Eriksson

I don't think we try to forecast that. I think your guess is as good as ours, in a way.

What we can see is that the Finnish economy seems to be recovering. There's been sort of estimate upgrades of Finnish GDP during the year, and I think the general consensus seems to be that the labor market is finally looking to improve, will improve sort of more noticeably into next year.

All else equal, with a very, very low new construction and a recovery of the economy and the labor market, I think it should be positive for our business there as well.

Staffan Bülow

All right, thank you. Excellent, those were my questions.

Operator

The next question comes from Robert Phillips from Green Street. Please go ahead.

Robert Phillips

Thank you very much for the presentation. I just had two questions from my side.

Firstly, you've asked management to re-evaluate how you work with the aim of reducing costs and lowering rate vacancy. I was just wondering if you could kind of elaborate a bit on those plans and what specifically you plan to do differently to achieve that.

Jonas Eriksson

No, I think the point that we're trying to make is that we need to be prepared to re-evaluate everything we do. I think the signal is that we're not content with the efficiency level that we have.

Let's look everywhere we can look to find efficiency improvements. We mentioned one example in the report where we're moving the headquarter for ABP from Oslo to Trondheim.

That will save a bit of money and actually move the company management closer to its clients as well. There are two sort of good aspects with it.

There are sort of many more examples that we're working with. We're not planning to be sort of give any clear guidance.

Sharam stated in the CEO letter that we're expecting costs to go down in absolute terms. We've also flagged that we might need to do a little bit of investment to make that happen.

The direction is down, and I think that's the clear message. We don't have sort of a finalized list yet of exactly what components will make that happen.

We are not content with the efficiency. We see potential in various areas that makes us confident that we can have a decline in the central administration expenses.

Robert Phillips

Perfect. Thank you very much.

Then just secondly on your debt metrics, they're of course slightly higher than your targets. I was just wondering how you plan to balance continued buybacks against getting your leverage back to targets.

Jonas Eriksson

No, it's a relevant question. If you look at the different metrics, I think they exist for slightly different reasons.

The net debt to EBITDA metric, where we are sort of the furthest away from the target, has been a sort of self-imposed target that we issued as a sort of more of a directional statement. The more let's call it hard or de facto restrictions on our balance sheet are obviously the leverage metrics from S&P, and there we're well in line with where we need to be for the current BBB rating.

I think long term, we still are clear that we want the leverage to come down slightly, but it's not going to happen at a very dramatic pace. It's not going to require us to take active actions with the balance sheet, but rather have those metrics improve slightly year by year going forward.

Robert Phillips

Got it. Thank you very much.

Jonas Eriksson

I think Ewa mentioned as well that the net debt to EBITDA target, we don't expect the net debt to decline in absolute amounts, but rather the EBITDA doing the job of sort of closing that gap over time, but it's going to take a while. We're not particularly stressed about that.

Robert Phillips

Understood. Thanks.

Operator

The next question comes from Lars Norrby from SEB. Please go ahead.

Lars Norrby

Good morning. I have a follow-up question on share buybacks.

I appreciate the clear message, right now it's the best investment available, quoting from the CEO statement. Funding it through cash flow is one thing, another thing is to finance buybacks through divestments of properties.

I'm thinking of course about what Castellum has been doing, which freed up some 8 billion yesterday for buybacks. What's your view on divestment-funded buybacks?

Is that an option for you?

Jonas Eriksson

I think we're always weighing all capital allocation options, but also now I haven't read Castellum's reports, I don't know what sort of kind of gross numbers they're looking at, but we're pretty okay with the 11% year-over-year growth in profit from property management per share that we showed in Q3. I think that that's our main metric that we're trying to steer on.

If we can find interesting opportunities to divest something and do share buybacks, that it's definitely on the table as well. It's the earnings per share that is our sort of overriding metric that we're trying to optimize.

Lars Norrby

That's just assume that if you would sell something, either it's because you're actively looking for it yourself or if you're approached by another entity that would like to buy a portfolio for you and you think it's a fair price, the proceeds of such a transaction, what would those be used for?

Jonas Eriksson

If we were to be net sellers, I would assume that we would use that for share buybacks, definitely.

Lars Norrby

Okay. Thank you.

Jonas Eriksson

After some debt repayments, obviously.

Operator

The next question comes from Fredrik Stensved from ABG Sundal Collier. Please go ahead.

Fredrik Stensved

Thanks. Morning all.

Most questions already asked, I'll have one. The acquisitions in Q3, 1.3 billion, and divestments of 360, what is that?

Is there anything we should sort of keep in mind thinking about the contribution in the next quarter versus Q3? Thanks.

Jonas Eriksson

They're a number of different transactions behind that number. We don't usually sort of comment individual transactions, and it's not like one large one either, they're quite a few behind it, but sort of all of them are a little bit too small to sort of dig deeper into.

Fredrik Stensved

Understood. Thanks Jonas.

Operator

The next question comes from Tobias Kaj from Nordea. Please go ahead.

Tobias Kaj

Yes, thank you. I also had some question regarding buybacks, but I think that that has already been asked many times.

On another note, you have some debt maturing or interest maturing going forward. Can you give some indication of what we should expect regarding the average interest rates, like one year ahead from now, given the maturities you have and the current interest rate level you see in the market?

I think

Jonas Eriksson

interest rates have been so volatile recently, which impacts both obviously the funding costs per se, but also the hedging that we do of interest rate risk is even more impacted by that. It's a little bit hard to make sort of precise forecast, because it all depends on sort of what interest rates you assume going forward, and which day you're looking at the interest rate curve.

With the current curves, we are going to creep up slowly in the interest expense or in the interest rate level for sure. It's not going to be that dramatic.

We're pretty well hedged, and that's sort of the way it should be. I don't think we need a very high like-for-like rental growth to sort of compensate for the higher interest expenses with what we're seeing in the rates market today.

Having said that, I think last quarter we also commented that when we look at the interest expenses quarter by quarter, they're not moving in a linear fashion, because you have, for instance, in Q1 next year, you have two large eurobond maturities that have been issued under sort of pretty much zero interest rate environment, and when those are refinanced, obviously you're going to see a slight tick up that particular quarter, and then you might see even a decline in other quarters as we're refi-ing sort of bank loans that were issued in 2022 and '23, '24. It's not a linear development, just be aware of that.

Try to look at sort of rolling 12 months development would be my best tip there.

Tobias Kaj

With the high volatility we have seen in the interest markets, that has also enabled a kind of contract like closable swap contracts with very low levels, which we have seen that some of your peers has used. Is that something that you also have used?

Often disclosed, or have you more like plain vanilla swaps in your books?

Jonas Eriksson

No, we've used those as well, and I think we've commented on that before as well. I think Ewa even mentioned last quarter that we've done a few of those, and depending on the volatility in the rates market as well as the interest rate level, that decides whether we will be able to refi those at attractive levels going forward as well or not.

Far so good with the interest rate volatility that we're seeing, but we have no idea how that will look a month from now, right?

Tobias Kaj

Can you say how large part of your debt portfolio where you have used closable swaps?

Jonas Eriksson

That's not very large. Most of our interest rate risk is hedged through the eurobond market, I think the total swap book is the minor part of the overall interest rate hedging, 20%, 25%, something like that.

Of that, in turn, only some of it is obviously extendable or closable swaps. It's not huge volumes, but it's helping us a little bit on the margin.

Tobias Kaj

Thank you for taking my questions.

Jonas Eriksson

Thanks Tobias.

Operator

The next question comes from Pranava Boyidapu from Barclays. Please go ahead.

Pranava Boyidapu

Good morning. Thank you for taking my question.

A follow-up to the previous question actually, you mentioned that one of the 1 billion eurobonds coming due in January. Considering that the last say six weeks or so in the eurobond market, we've only had a couple of deals printed, and as you said, the volatility in the market has been quite high.

I was wondering what are the options for you, what are you considering in terms of how you may be able to refinance these bonds?

Jonas Eriksson

We look at our financing portfolio as as a portfolio, and from one quarter or year to the other, the new issuance might differ a little bit depending on how sort of what the market conditions are. I think the spread differential between bank and bond financing is probably less important to us, unless it's sort of very very large difference, but the the spread differential between the SEK and euro market obviously becomes more important.

We can also do a little bit more bank financing when we if we feel that the spreads are temporarily elevated sort of. I think it's not a matter of from our perspective of trading, but but if we if we see that there is a sort of credit market event of some kind where, as we've seen in the last few weeks, volumes have been very low, spreads have shot up by sort of a few, we're probably up by 40 to 50 basis points from the low point in the five-year in the five-year space.

During a time like that, we have no problem with sitting on our hands for a few quarters and and seeing what happens, in the eurobond market particularly.

Pranava Boyidapu

Thank you for that. That's all I had.

Jonas Eriksson

Thanks.

Operator

As a reminder, if you wish to ask a question, please dial pound key 5 on your telephone keypad. The next question comes from Stefan Andersson from Danske Bank AS Danmarks Filial.

Please go ahead.

Stefan Andersson

Thank you. Nitty-gritty one here, sorry, just to understand quickly.

What you and Ewa commented there on the net debt and LTV and leverage, should I interpret it as you said, Jonas, that you aim to keep the net debt unchanged, not the LTV or leverage, is that correct?

Jonas Eriksson

I think the two parts here. On one hand, you have the LTV or S&P calls that debt through debt plus equity, but it's essentially is an LTV metric.

There we are roughly where we need to be relative to their sort of requirements for our current rating. Might come down a few tenths of percentage points, but it's no large sort of difference.

The metric where we are a little bit away from our own target is obviously the net debt to EBITDA, and there we've said that we don't foresee that we will reduce the net debt in absolute amounts, but rather to improve the net debt through EBITDA, we will improve the earnings.

Stefan Andersson

I was just curious in how you aim to do that, because the mixed change, getting yields up, and so on. My impression is that keeping the net debt at the same level and then just letting the operational improvements do the work then.

Jonas Eriksson

Like-for-like growth, operational improvements, potential asset rotation, whatever it might be. That should be plenty to improve the net debt to EBITDA over time, even if our sort of leverage in absolute terms is constant and we're not sort of adding any assets.

Stefan Andersson

Do I interpret correctly if I assume that you hold back on acquisitions for now, but you don't rule out making them, you could still do net acquisitions going forward even though it's on a lower level?

Jonas Eriksson

It's hard to sort of be very precise in guiding on that. I think the likelihood of us doing acquisitions that are anything more than sort of very small bolt-ons on a net basis is pretty unlikely.

I think we were pretty clear on that in the report as well, that the relative return on share buybacks is so much better today that it's hard to find those type of acquisitions. I think it was a difference when the share price was at sort of 65, then it was easier to find acquisitions that could compare to share buybacks in return terms, right?

Stefan Andersson

Yeah. Then my final one, Paul at the Castellum presentation talked a bit about Entra.

Of course this is a board decision, but his view was that Entra should move in the same direction as Castellum, selling off properties and repurchasing shares. You're two owners in that.

Do you have a different view to that?

Jonas Eriksson

No, I I think we're we're pretty eager to extract share or the value from our Entra holding. If if that's if that's one option that could help us achieve that, then it's definitely on the table.

Stefan Andersson

Perfect. Thank you.

Jonas Eriksson

Thanks.

Operator

There are no more questions at this time. I hand the conference back to the speakers for any closing comments.

Jonas Eriksson

Thank you very much for listening in. As usual, we're available if you have any follow-up questions, just give us a call.

We'll be seeing you all, if not before that, then when we present the Q4 numbers. Thank you very much.