Operator
Welcome to ITAB Shop Concept Q4 Report 2025 presentation. During the Q&A session, participants are able to ask questions by dialing pound key 5 on their telephone keypad.
Now, I will hand the conference over to interim CEO and President Glauco Frascaroli and CFO Andreas Helmersson. Please go ahead.
Glauco Frascaroli
Hi, good morning. Good morning to everyone.
I just want to give you some information about myself. I step in [coughs] as interim CEO on January 7 to replace Andreas Elgard, and I will be interim CEO until end of April when Björn Borgner will step in.
Just few words about myself, I start in this industry in 1979, I have 47-year experience. I was CEO at La Fortezza when in 2016 we sold to ITAB.
Then I stay in ITAB. I start as a CBO, Chief Business Officer, for South Europe.
Then from 2019 I was Senior Vice President South Europe, and then from 2023 I was Senior Advisor, and then from January as I say I am now interim CEO and President. I just want to give some information about ITAB Group, because I don't know if everybody knows about us.
After the acquisition of HMY, now we have 24 production facility in 17 countries. We have around 40 operation plus in different countries, and we have around 5,300 employees.
Our revenue is a 13 billion 13 billion SEK with 847 million adjusted EBIT, that is around 6.4 adjusted EBIT margin on our revenue. Our main customer groups are Grocery, where is the major one, where we have around 51% of our sales.
Then we have DIY and Home Improvement, where we have around 10%. Then we have Fashion, Apparel 12%, Health and Beauty that is around 6%, then we have other customer groups that makes around 21%.
Our solution are in Retail Interior, that is our major brand. We have Retail Technology, Retail Lighting, and Retail Services.
In ITAB, for sure, what we say is we try to rethink retail together with our customers. We try to work with them, we try to understand how to deliver what they want, what is their expectation, and I think today with our portfolio is so intensive, wide that we really can help them in many, many different solution.
Now I hand to Andreas Helmersson.
Andreas Helmersson
Thank you, Glauco. Good morning, everybody.
Looking at the highlights from the Q4 report, I would like to put some focus on stable sales, some growth in Q4, and also a stable earnings trend in relation to last year. We see an extraordinary strong cash flow in Q4, which is also something we've been indicating, especially driven by accounts receivables release in Q4.
We have a continued focus on synergy execution, with year-on-year operating expenses being reduced, as well as procurement synergies becoming more visible to us. We also have a clear plan for the future, and next steps of the synergy plan are being planned and will be launched starting this year, with full impact of the synergies in 2027.
As always, to give a representative view of the development of the group, we have mainly focused on the pro forma development in this presentation. In the interim report, of course, published now, you will also see all the details, including reported figures with HMY consolidated from 1st of February.
If we zoom out and look at historical pro forma performance, we can see that 2025 has been a stable year with regards to sales growth. Despite significant currency headwind, we had 5% growth excluding currency.
Focus has been on business continuity for us due to this very significant acquisition. We have also executed on the low-hanging fruit with regards to synergies, and we have laid the foundation for future synergies as a new group together.
Profitability in '25 has been stable, slightly behind '24, when we had some extraordinary projects, especially in Spain, but also Middle East. In Q4, EBIT adjusted for nonrecurring costs and amortization of acquisition-related intangible assets amounted to 199 million SEK, in line with last year pro forma.
Looking at the financial highlights for Q4, we can see that net sales is down 6%, but significant currency effect from the euro to SEK. If excluding that, it's actually up 3%.
At the same time, adjusted EBIT is stable, impacted positively by product mix. Our loss prevention rollouts in both Europe and Australia has helped us, as well as early synergies on productivity and procurement scale.
It's worth mentioning also that Q4 is normally somewhat weaker than Q3 with regards to volume. We have December month with Christmas, where it's difficult for us to be in the stores.
Given the slightly lower volume, that's always sort of part to our seasonality effect on gross margin. Focus onwards is to continue execute on synergies.
Majority of the synergy realization is expected for '26 and '27, improving our cost efficiency, where we have several initiatives planned for the first half of '26, and to continue with the turnaround activities in France and Turkey, which is a real driver for EBIT, but also to become more tax-efficient across the group. In 2025, we have set the foundation for synergies, as well as executed on some within especially organizational efficiency and procurement.
For '26, the execution will continue, of course, to both those initiatives, but at the same time, we will increase focus on cross-selling. 2025, the cross-selling initiative built the foundation where we train each other on our portfolios, and also built joint showrooms across the group.
We have also planned for the next steps of the synergy execution, which is soon launched, with focus on select markets such as France and Turkey, where potential is high. If we look at our net sales by customer groups, we can see that our largest sector, Grocery, shows slight growth, excluding currency effect, and that Home Improvement, DIY, continues to grow double-digit, if excluding currency effect.
This is especially driven by our clients in Southern Europe. Fashion was stable in Q4, if excluding currency effects, while we had a decline in the Health segment, where we had exceptionally strong Q4 last year with some one-off projects.
The Other segment showed a larger decline, as we had exclusivity on a few larger international rollouts last year due to design and development work, which won. Looking at our geographies, we see that Q4 we had strong development in both Central Europe, Southern Europe, and also UK and Ireland.
It's good to see UK and Ireland really being back on track and showing growth again. Eastern Europe and Northern Europe declined, partially due to strong comparisons, but also lower activity in specific key accounts and especially Eastern Europe.
Rest of the world declined due to large one-off projects in Q4, especially in the Middle East. Our operating cash flow for Q4 came in at 100- 821 million, and rolling 12 at 785 million.
Obviously, we are not showing pro forma numbers here for cash flow, but just showing ITAB Group. It was impacted positively by net working capital development, as we also indicated in the last earnings calls.
We saw a release of accounts receivables driven by, of course, the strong increase we saw in Q1 and Q3, and then normal seasonality, where we do see peak in September, October, and those payments normally come in around Christmas. Then December is a weaker month, since we're not really allowed in the stores due to Christmas shopping.
That's still a normal seasonality. We've also had select initiatives focusing on both factoring and improving payment terms.
Now we're twice the size, and we're becoming larger, and improving our purchasing power and also our power with our customers. During 2026, we will continue to leverage pockets of best practice across the organization with regards to capital efficiency, where we see that the strength of our new group will help us through procurement power, financial market attractiveness, and consolidation of both inventory and supply chains.
Zooming out a bit from the Q4 result and returning to what we have previously said about our plans and merger with HMY. During 2023, legacy ITAB had adjusted EBIT margin of around 7%, and legacy HMY around 5%.
This was then leading us to a combined margin of around 6%. We are now at 6.4%.
This is around €11 million up versus the 2023 baseline. As we have said and guided for, the synergies we expect a full effect starting from 2027.
There is a strong strategic rationale for this acquisition, as well as it being financially attractive, with synergies identified at €30 million, increasing our net income with 90%, with only 16% share dilution. All other equal, it indicates significant earnings per share growth.
With that, I hand the word back to Glauco Frascaroli.
Glauco Frascaroli
Yes, thank you. I want to talk a little about priority for the future, but I want also to underline that, as Andreas mentioned before, that for us the acquisition of HMY has been very strategic.
I think that we have a lot of opportunities in the future together, because they can bring to us a lot of competence, and we can bring to them the same, we can be really very strong together. I think we have a very strong team to take care about this integration.
What we want to do for sure is to sustain the existing business with customers, as I say, but also improving our portfolio, our possibility to be more attractive for our customer, and also establishing common financial reporting and securing the legal compliance. We want also to establish a common organization.
We want to establish a organizing structure, exploring what leadership and cultural behaviors. Also, I want to underline here that for us people are the most important things, because we give a lot of attention to them, and I think only thanks to the people you can grow in the business.
We want to continue to deliver on the synergies, starting to realize procurement, commercial, and SG&A synergies, developing also common strategic priorities. Our main priorities also is anyways to, as we say, better together.
Better together means to be together, to work together, and also have a common way of working, and try to as be performant as much as possible. This is our strategy for the future.
As I say also, we want to continue to be focused on the integration, because we have to realize, as Andreas Helmersson said before, 30 million expected in 2027 to finalize this synergies. We want to improve our profitability continuously, assessing the implemented if needed in all parts of the group.
Efforts also to reduce our tied-up capital and debts, and also launch of shared values and culture, way of working, and strategic teams and priorities for ITAB Group in 2026. Presentation of the group joint expertise and solution to the retail market on EuroShop on 2026 from 22nd of 20 to 26th of February, that for us will be very important because it's a very important exhibition and the first time that we will be together with HMY.
We end our presentation if there are any questions.
Operator
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The next question comes from Erik Sandstedt from Kepler Cheuvreux. Please go ahead.
Erik Sandstedt
Hi there. Erik Sandstedt here with Kepler.
A few questions. Firstly, I'm trying to better understand your comments in the report about France and Turkey.
What is the problem more specifically? Is it the same in France that you have been alluding to in the last couple of quarters, or is there something new here?
Andreas Helmersson
Thanks for your questions. No, I think it's the same situation as we've seen.
We've had a situation with some change of management and a lack of focus in the last sort of one and a half year. We can see that we have taken a lot of actions in the first six months, and we've seen some early results from those actions just to improve the whole [coughs] performance management around customer contracts and costs, and so.
I think it's been a lack of focus for a while. We see the benefits from that.
Now we're sort of looking at the overall market position, and we can see that we have a significant market position. We're for sure the number one in that market, which is always a strong base to start off.
We will come back with more details around sort of the final activities that we need to happen to make that sort of in line with the financial targets that we have as a group towards 7% to
Erik Sandstedt
9% EBIT. Have they worsened during this quarter, or is it the same as in Q3 and Q2, or how are you seeing it develop?
Andreas Helmersson
It's not worse, no. No.
Erik Sandstedt
No,
Andreas Helmersson
we're in a better situation, I would say, but we still need to more actions in order to create profitability in line with the rest of the group.
Erik Sandstedt
Thanks. You also mentioned Turkey specifically.
Is that the same problems that you see in France?
Glauco Frascaroli
Maybe I can answer about Turkey. Turkey, I think we starting to develop also the internal market, that is very important for us, because before Turkey was more export, was more intercompany when we acquire HMY.
Now we are transforming the company to become more direct sales to direct customers, especially to develop also the Turkish market, that there is a big potential. This is what we are doing in Turkey to improve the results.
We have a lot of expectation, because the market is really interesting.
Erik Sandstedt
Thanks. Then on a separate topic, can you share some more details about your progress in retail tech and smart gates and so forth?
More specifically, whether you already now are seeing any cross-selling synergies and opportunities with regards to HMY and if you are selling to their customers where you were not present before?
Glauco Frascaroli
We have a lot of opportunities with HMY, because they haven't sold before the acquisition many of our retail tech products, because they don't have the retail tech products in their portfolio. The expectation is really high.
We start already to market our products in different country, like France, like Spain, where there are the biggest customers for the group. Really, the expectation on cross-selling is quite high, and I'm sure that this year the results will start to come for sure.
We are really confident and positive on this.
Erik Sandstedt
In terms of synergies that you may already have realized, not specifically looking at smart gates, but the synergies so far, are they on cross-selling or is it purchasing, lower purchasing cost, or on the OpEx side? Just maybe share some details on that.
Andreas Helmersson
I can shed some more light on that. I think obviously the easiest thing to do early on is where we have organizational overlap.
We've taken the sort of low-hanging fruit from that. We have next steps sort of ongoing from that perspective.
Procurement, we've done a lot during this year. We have set an organization that is sort of worked in across the new business units, combined ITAB and HMY.
We've done sort of the biggest contracts with the biggest impact. Some of these contracts are realized late in the year, and full annualization will happen for those contracts now in '26.
Then that's the first wave of the procurement program. Then we have two more waves that we'll execute on during this year.
Then obviously there's more. You mentioned cross-selling.
In cross-selling, some of the products are pretty easy, because they've been selling some lighting products and some gates, and it's easy to just replace with ITAB products, and that will grow our margin. Then to train another organization into selling solutions, such as loss prevention solutions, that takes more time, and you need to build a foundation for that competence in the new organization.
I think we've done that, and we've invested in time together. We've also invested in showrooms, because customers need to touch and feel and see the products and the solutions.
It's not something that is easily done in a year, but we have laid the foundation, I would say. What's also sort of waiting as a next step for this year, that's the more tricky parts, where we had our operational footprint and HMY had their operational footprint, and then obviously we in some places need to optimize that network of supply and to some extent consolidate operational footprint and make sure our cost base is optimized for the new group.
Erik Sandstedt
Thanks. Then just finally from me, in terms of the nonrecurring costs in the quarter, what cost lines are they impacting?
Specifically, I'm talking about the provision for the customer reclaim. Is that impacting COGS?
If so, is that partly explaining the lower gross margin in the quarter?
Andreas Helmersson
Yes, you're right. It's impacting COGS.
It's impacting material. Yeah.
The other nonrecurring costs relating more specifically to HMY? There's obviously some of the nonrecurring costs relating to organizational consolidation, that's more sales costs, personnel and salary costs.
Procurement initiative, and sort of that's impacting COGS more. As you say, the customer recall is more of a COGS as well.
I think again, on gross margin, I think we still see gross margin as strong if we adjust for this. Normally we see an impact of December results, because December is for us a very weak month, and it happens every year, it's more or less zero or loss-making, because it's very difficult to sort of keep the business up and running as normal, because customers don't want us in the stores, sort of.
Q4 is a bit weaker normally.
Erik Sandstedt
Perfect. Thanks.
Andreas Helmersson
Thanks.
Operator
The next question comes from Karl-Johan Bonnevier from DNB Carnegie. Please go ahead.
Karl-Johan Bonnevier
Yes, good morning, Glauco, Andreas. Thank you for all the color already.
Looking at Q4, I need to come back to your comments and hear about the gross margin. I like to compare you obviously with the pro forma numbers, which makes things more difficult as it wasn't real numbers if you put it like that.
When you look at say, the gross margin down 100 million, and then you regain that with a 100 million improvement on the OpEx line, could you just tell us about the dynamics here, and what that tells us with the numbers going into 2026? What will follow you in there and what will be gone, to say?
Andreas Helmersson
Let's see if I understand your question correct, but if I look at pro forma numbers and the discussions we have internally when we look at our business now, we have positive impact from loss prevention, who been on a high level for a while. We have some success in Europe, but also in Australia, and it's not one or two projects, but it's been on a quite strong level for a while, and that's positively impacting our product mix.
Then we see Q4 with a weak December. It's quite normal for us.
That's impacting. The lower volume leads to lower utilization of fixed costs in our factories, it impacts our COGS.
We do see this year also to some extent November. Sometimes November can be really strong, but December for sure is always a bit on the downside with regards to gross margin.
Then we've had some one-off cost effects from write-downs, which also are part of December seasonality, when we go through inventories and go through projects, and so. I think there are a few.
Apart from that, we do see that, as you say, the OpEx is year-on-year down, pro forma numbers, we can see that the synergies are having effect on sort of organizational costs, fixed costs, and yeah. Did that answer your question, or did you have any more?
Karl-Johan Bonnevier
It sounds like what you're discussing on the OpEx line is more sustainable, and then what's happening on the COGS line in Q4 is, say, intra-quarter kind of variations that we have to live with basically. Is that a good way to interpret it?
Andreas Helmersson
Right.
Karl-Johan Bonnevier
Excellent. Then looking at the exceptionally strong cash flow, obviously good working capital release, you mentioned that you now are using factoring.
Is that a big number in a year-on-year comparison?
Andreas Helmersson
No, it's just that one of the things we've seen when we started to really collaborate in details across the new organization is that we do have some potential with really strong customers with very little credit risk, and that we can achieve a very favorable and attractive factoring deals with financial partners. I think that's been some success from the collaboration during the fall.
I would say around €10 million can be tracked back to that.
Karl-Johan Bonnevier
Excellent. Just looking back to the pro forma numbers on top line, it still suggests to me that underlying the HMY part of the operations seem to be down 5%, 6% organically, whereas ITAB the old ITAB legacy operation seems to be up a couple of percent.
Is that the kind of right interpretation? Then is there anything in that more than now we have finally, say, real numbers for HMY on the quarterly numbers, for looking at the full year?
Andreas Helmersson
I think obviously it's getting more and more difficult to separate the two legacies, but the way we see both legacy HMY looking back three years and looking at legacy ITAB, from a growth and sales perspective, we've been very much correlated. We can definitely see that with both market leaders with a focus on Europe, and that we're very much sort of correlating to the underlying market.
We can see when they're going up, we are going up in the same way. Then obviously, legacy HMY has been really strong on sort of gaining market share.
This is something we're trying to sort of really learn from and pull best practice out of. Zooming in also on '25, we see that from a sales perspective, we've been quite equal.
We continue to develop in the same. Sort of it's more from a profitability perspective where we really see the largest sort of potential also to learn from each other and to really create a performance culture around profitability, but takes a while.
Karl-Johan Bonnevier
Excellent. On the highlighted nonrecurring charges in this whole process of getting the organizations together, the 21 million, how much of that has with this quarter now been charged, and how do you see the profile of the remaining?
Andreas Helmersson
We included a note in the interim report this time. We didn't split it on OpEx or COGS.
We think about doing that onwards. The integration costs have been around €9 million, and as you say, we've indicated around 21.
Some of these initiatives have been a bit below what was expected. It's also we haven't concluded on all the activities that will take place during '26 yet.
We'll need to get back to that. Far, there's no signals that we will not use the full or that it will be above, sort of.
I think we're quite on track with what has been guided for.
Karl-Johan Bonnevier
Excellent. I heard your commenting about the review of the operational footprint being, say, the next phase of the integration.
When do you think you can have, say, strategies for that being detailed?
Andreas Helmersson
We are internally planning for completing these reviews and assessments during the first half of '26. That's what I can say now.
Karl-Johan Bonnevier
Excellent. Just one final from me.
Obviously, you highlighted going into the EuroShop, which is a big moment for you. Going into that, Glauco, do you feel that clients are out there looking for RFPs for new projects, and how does your pipeline of good project discussions look to date maybe compared to a year ago?
Glauco Frascaroli
For sure, EuroShop is the best time for our customers to come to see new products that we are going to present. Also what is very important for us this time is that we are together with HMY.
We can really show our strength, our capability, our competence that are really important, because we have different competence, but we are strong in different countries. For sure the customers look at Düsseldorf like the occasion to spend time together and also to understand what can be the future solution.
We will present for sure new products, and I think our stand will be quite attractive. I'm really excited, and I'm really positive on what will be the results on our stand in Düsseldorf in EuroShop.
Karl-Johan Bonnevier
Sounds promising. All the best, and good luck down at EuroShop.
Glauco Frascaroli
We cross the finger. [Laughs] Thank you.
Operator
The next question comes from Anton Lund from SB1 Markets. Please go ahead.
Anton Lund
Hi, gents. Can you hear me?
Andreas Helmersson
Yes.
Anton Lund
Very good. Many good questions have already been asked, but noticed that the tax rate accelerates this quarter again.
I'm just wondering, what's your view ahead? What do you consider normalized level, and when do you think you will get there?
Thanks.
Andreas Helmersson
Thank you. No, this is obviously one of the key projects, and it has been for a couple of quarters.
This is obviously the accounting tax, and it's not what we actually pay, but it's still, I understand where the questions are coming from. I think there's three large reasons for tax being quite high in the accounting.
It's partially because we have a debt situation where we've taken on debt in Sweden, and we have debt in France, which is where the sort of headquarters and other companies are originating from. Then we're now in the project where we push this debt out to sort of be shared across the group.
I think that's one of the reasons to make really the interest payments deductible across the group, improving our tax position. We also have a year in '25 where we have significant acquisition costs, which are some non-deductible.
One of the top reasons also is that we do have some sort of low profit or even loss-making units that we need to turnaround to improve our tax position. Then we're also operating in Latin America and some countries where you pay that tax on a quarterly basis.
If you have one quarter with profit, you pay tax, and then if another quarter is loss-making, you don't get the tax. It can also create a bit of a disturbances.
I think we are definitely aiming to come closer to where we've been historically at ITAB Group, which is, of course, around 30% or even below. It will take us a few more quarters to achieve that, and the turnaround of some of these units that we've indicated is also key initiatives in order to reach that.
Anton Lund
Very good. Thank you.
Then actually two more questions, if I may. You talked about EuroShop that's coming up.
Do you have any idea of how much cost you will incur related to that?
Andreas Helmersson
Some of those costs are from an accounting perspective, of course, it's cash out now, but it's cost that we can take over the coming three years as it's every third year. There will be some costs, let's say, €1.5 million that will belong to Q1, which is something we take in Q1 and not something we capitalize on.
Anton Lund
Got it. Then one final from me.
Thanks. You mention competition, I believe in your report.
Could you shed some insights on how you view the market overall? How's the price pressure and so on?
Thanks.
Glauco Frascaroli
For sure, the competition is always very tough. Is not new that we have competition all over.
What we are trying to do, we are not try to compete with, let's say, a commodity products where we can find products coming from China, from other countries. We are trying to offer solution.
If we work as a solution provider, I think we can also avoid to entering in competition with products, but we enter in competition with company like us that are really solution provider. I don't think there are many.
In this case, we can really increase our margins and be more attractive for sure for the customers, but also for our result looks much better. We have to skip anyway to stay in competition with the only commodity products.
This is my advice.
Anton Lund
Understood. Thank you.
That's all for me.
Andreas Helmersson
Thank you very much.
Operator
There are no more questions at this time, I hand the conference back to the speakers for any written questions and closing comments.
Thank you for that. We have a few written questions, and the first one is: Would you say that the integration costs are in line with what you have assumed at the acquisition of HMY, or are you running a bit over?
I think maybe Andreas, you've answered that one already. Do you have any more comments on that or?
Andreas Helmersson
No, I think good.
Then the second question is: Could you give us an estimate of effective tax rate for 2026? Again, something you've already talked about Andreas, any more comments on that?
Andreas Helmersson
No, I don't think we're in a position to guide for that explicitly on a quarterly basis, but it's a top priority, but it will take a while to come all the way down to where we expect to be long term.
Yeah. Then we have another question on the transaction and integration costs, we've already touched upon that.
Also the illustrative calculation on 2027 with full synergy realization, we showed that slide this presentation as well, I'd jump to the next question. Will you adjust the financial targets, or are they still in effect?
Andreas Helmersson
They're still in effect, and we of course will come back if we come to a conclusion that we will. I think what we've guided for, everything else equal, is to go to the sort of far end of the interval of 7% to 9% from a sort of profitability perspective, at least, that will take us with the synergies to more 8.5%, I think.
That's the type of target we put on ourselves at least for coming three years.
A question concerning the Q4 gross margins, they are weak versus earlier quarters. I think we've touched upon that as well earlier.
Are there any more comments on the gross margin Andreas?
Andreas Helmersson
No, I don't think so,
no. One of the questions is: How much factoring have you used?
You said about €10 million in...
Andreas Helmersson
That's to clarify, that's the increase in factoring that we've seen and sort of being part of the release of cash flow now in Q4.
Yeah.
Andreas Helmersson
We obviously have used factoring before as well. This is since the long-term financing we have at ITAB is sort of deal financing, it can be quite attractive to use factoring as a way to lower the long-term financing at least.
The follow-up on that is: Why have you decided to use factoring during quarter? I interpret it that it's nothing new for us, we've used factoring before, so.
Andreas Helmersson
We obviously have some really stable, strong customers which financial partners deem to be very creditworthy, and so it's quite attractive for us. It's difficult for us to almost finance ourselves to the same terms, so.
Yeah. Then a follow-up on the integration and acquisition costs or primarily the integration cost of 21 million if there any changes to that estimate, and you said earlier that it's no changes to that estimate.
Andreas Helmersson
Yes, that's correct. We are assessing the final phases of the sort of synergies, and we will get back to when those plans are set sort of if we need to update anything.
Can you share the run-rate savings reached for fiscal year 2025? Can you share what's your target in terms of run-rate savings for fiscal year 2026?
Andreas Helmersson
I think what we've said is that we expect the €30 million to be fully in the P&L for '27. We're on track to deliver on that, and can reiterate that target.
Yeah. Can you say something about financial costs in 2026?
Andreas Helmersson
Yeah. With the operations we have in both Argentina and Turkey, which are hyperinflation territory, there's always a bit of a sort of hero up and down and so, but we do see always some hyperinflation impact and some currency impact.
Then of course, it's not just interest costs that goes into here. It's also costs for taking on this debt and the long-term loan that we have to acquire HMY, and those costs are being counted for during the full period of the loan, the coming years, and now we also extended the loan another year, and that's also costs that landed in Q4 now in order to do that, so.
A question on France, being almost a year in, what integration challenges have appeared that you didn't expect?
Andreas Helmersson
It's difficult to fully assess a company in an acquisition process. We've done some very detailed due diligence, but now we're getting into the Excel sheets and we're getting to know each other, and we're trying to collaborate, and so I wouldn't say it's any large surprises.
To some extent, we have reiterated the real strength of this acquisition and some significant capabilities that we didn't have at legacy ITAB that we think we can leverage, and it's especially conceptualized in the business in Spain, and it's something that we can build on and extend across France, but also legacy ITAB.
A follow-up on that then, do you expect improvements in France and Turkey to start coming through year-on-year in Q2 2026 as you meet tougher comps and drive efficiencies, or will it take longer for these initiatives to translate into results?
Andreas Helmersson
I think I started to explain sort of what's in Wave 1 and Wave 2, and where we see more complex activities taking place. I think France and Turkey are more on the complex side, and will come late in this guidance that we've set.
That was the last of the written questions. I'll hand the word over to Glauco and Andreas for any final remarks.
Please, a reminder to everybody, if you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to reach out to me at [email protected], or yeah.
Glauco Frascaroli
No, I just want to thanks everybody for this presentation and for the questions. I want to underline that we are really on top of the integration with HMY.
We feel very positive on that. Thanks to everybody, but thanks also to our people, because every day they help us in this integration.
Thank you.
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