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Q4 FY2025 · Earnings Call TranscriptJanuary 27, 2026

Operator

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the earnings call of The Platform Group following the publication of the preliminary figures of 2025 and the outlook of 2026. We are delighted to welcome the CEO, Dr.

Dominik Benner, as well as Head of Finance and M&A, Björn Minnier, as well as Investor Relations, Nathalie Richert, who will speak in a moment and guide us through the presentation and the results. Afterwards, you will have the possibility to place your questions directly to the management.

Having said this, I'm handing over to you, Dr. Benner.

The stage is yours.

Dominik Benner

Thank you, Judith, and welcome to everybody in this call today. We would like to give you a short update about the current development of our group.

As you know that we published an announcement yesterday regarding our significant acquisition, we will also give you a short update on that acquisition and the strategy behind this acquisition. After this, we continue with our financial figures for 2025, which we've published also yesterday.

Let us start. Currently, you see our management structure with the supervisory board and our management.

Today, Mr. Minnier, Mrs.

Richard, and me, we will present the current status of the numbers and also our current strategic initiatives. Let us just jump directly to the current development.

I would start directly with Nathalie.

Nathalie Richert

Good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining.

The Platform Group is still a young company. We are on the capital market since 2023, and since the end of 2022, our share price has increased by approximately 39% despite a challenging market environment where benchmark indices performed weaker.

From a capital market perspective, we are supported by seven active research providers, and the average target price is clearly above the current share price, reflecting confidence in our long-term strategy. On the next slide, in 2025 and beyond, we are intensifying our dialogue with European and international investors through targeted road shows, conferences, and direct one-on-one engagement.

Trading activity increased year on year. You see that on the slide, supported by more active investor outreach.

We also see an higher engagement from international investors. Our objective is a stable, long-term oriented shareholder structure.

On the next slide, you see our share and bond performance in 2025. We are not happy with that development.

Our share price declined by 29%. The development was driven by market volatility, investor structure, and specific one-off effects rather than a change in operational performance.

It was driven by a fund redemption, what is now over, and we can move forward. Since January, we have registered shares.

This provides us with a increasing visibility on our shareholder base. From an IR perspective, this is an important step towards more targeted, transparent, and proactive investor communication.

Alongside this, our focus remains on operational execution and disciplined capital markets allocation. Turning to the bond.

Since December, were technical in nature and largely driven by market structure, not fundamentals. Larger sell orders executed on German trading venues lead to following-on selling in small ticket sizes across a highly fragmented and illiquid German market.

At the same time, the bond stays stable on the Oslo Stock Exchange. There was no change in our operating performance.

We fully understand investor questions, and we believe the recent price movements do not reflect the underlying fundamentals of the business. We believe that better transparency and closer engagement will support sustainable value creation over time.

I will hand over to Dominik.

Dominik Benner

All right. Thank you for this.

We continue with the current status of our portfolio companies. Here, you see our current status, which is segmented into five different segments.

On the left side, you see the Consumer Goods segment, the Industrial Goods segment, and since last year, since middle of last year, we also have the Optics and Hearing segment. Additionally, you find on the bottom line the Freight Good segment and the Pharma and Retail Good segment.

Both are segments which are quite important and which are growing on a very good development. We are very happy to see this development in the last year.

When we look a little bit more on the M&A detail side, you see that we have strengthened our existing segments. In the last year, we have acquired two relevant companies in the luxury goods segment.

One is Julie Closet. It's a company based in Paris.

They are focusing on vintage luxury products. It is 43einhalb.

This is a shoe sneaker company in the luxury sector here in Germany. We acquired them by January this year.

On the pharma side, we will come to that later so that you get an overview on these developments. On the furniture side, we already had two existing platforms.

We acquired a third one. With the B2B SaaS business, Fintos, we acquired them also last year, a very successful SaaS software company, and they are making platforms for financial institutions in Germany.

On the right side, you see that we also entered new industries. For example, Optics and Hearing, that was one of our major acquisitions last year.

We bought different companies. In total, we have 28 stores already.

We have a successful online platform where we sell online glasses and sunglasses. Additionally, we acquired two companies which are called Herbertz and Lurapet, both very much focused in a niche industry like pet food and like outdoor equipment.

On the right side, you see one of our latest acquisitions. It is called WeConnectWork.

It's a platform for construction businesses, and on this platform, you can book, as a business company, construction operators. They have also a very profitable niche business here.

When we go forward, you see also our luxury portfolio. As since 2022, we are engaged in the luxury sector.

By end of 2002 2022, we acquired Fashionette, and since this time, we made some additional acquisitions to go forward in this industry and to make sure that we get a bigger footprint there and also to find attractive niches in this luxury segment, for example vintage goods, where we can expand our revenues and our profits. On the next page, you see a very relevant overview of our partner development.

Why we do show you this here? Sometimes people ask us why do you grow in a stagnating market?

The backbone of our growth is always that we want to increase the number of partners. Partners means retailers.

Partners means manufacturers. When we have more partners, we get more products from them.

When we have more products, we directly increase our total number of customers because more customers are attracted to our online shops and to our goods. As you can see here in 2023, we started with more than 5,500 partners.

We have increased it a lot since last year. Last year, we increased it organically to more than 7,000 partners.

Additionally, we reached more than 6,500 new partners, and we did it with acquiring companies like Avocadostore, like Winkelstraat, just for an example. These are very successful companies in the niche segments, and yeah, then they are connected with local partners, retailers, and online retailers.

On the right side, you see the development for 2025. Here, you see that we have a very strong organic growth here.

That means in our existing platforms, we attracted a lot of new partners, and you also see that we have acquired some new companies here like Julie Closet or like Herbertz and Lurapet, and they are also contributing to this growing number of partners. That means with that strategy, we can also increase this year in 2026 our number of partners, and we expect to have more than 18,000 partners by end of this year just from an organic perspective.

When I go a little bit further, you see our latest acquisitions. Here, you can see the acquisition of Apotheken.

This is a market leader for digital learning and digital education in the pharmaceutical sector. They are working for hundreds of different manufacturers like Novartis, like Roche, and so on.

They make it for almost all the pharmacies here in Germany, they are quite well connected. On the right side, you see the acquisition of AEP, a company which we present you now for some more updates on that.

Also important, you see that we made the acquisition of 43einhalb. It's a strange name, but a very successful niche player in the fashion sneaker sector and with a very high price level at the average price.

We also made the change in our organizational structure. Last year, we announced that we will change from AG structure to KGaA.

We proved that by our AGM in the summer, and finally, we realized this strategy by end of last year. Now, we are officially the KGaA, and we also have registered shares so that we can work with that and have our control on all our shares and know who is the owner and know who is selling and buying our shares every day.

Very important also to understand here is that we also have our organizational structure. You see below our holding structure, which is not operationally organized, you see below that we have our operational holdings and sub-holdings like The Platform Group KG, like Fashionette GmbH, and Brandfield B.V.

and Vastilo B.V. On the right side, these are both located in the Netherlands, and they are in our group for more than four years already.

All right. We continue with our AEP acquisition.

That's the deal what we announced yesterday, and it's, I think, very important to give you a better understanding on why we did it, what's our strategic rationale behind that, and why we think that this is a good strategic move to continue with that and to make sure that we have a good progress in this industry in the future. You see our overview on the companies which we've acquired in the last years.

On the left side, you see ApoNow. This is a company which we acquired in 2021.

We increased our share to 80% in the last years, and they are connecting more than 38,000 pharmacies, local pharmacies, with manufacturers. It's really an attractive niche business, and we make sure that all the pharmacies which are connected to our system, that they get online orders from where we sell.

We can make sure that they all get the orders every day to the local pharmacy. On the right side, you see Apotheken.

Apotheken is an online education platform. It is a market leader in Germany, as I mentioned.

They have more than 8,000 pharmacies working with them, working with the system. This is also quite important to understand, this is a perfect combination that we all make all the online orders for the pharmacy, that we make the education for the pharmacy, and now it is the next step that AEP is the central order platform that we can work together with them.

Here, you can see the structural chart on why we think that this is a very good strategic acquisition. On the left side, you see the sourcing platform.

The manufacturers and the pharmaceutical industry sell their products to AEP. On the bottom, you see the education platform.

In the center of this chart, you see the pharmacies, and we try to cover all the relevant services and needs of a pharmacy to really become an important partner for them and to really complete the value chain in the sector. This is our really strategic focus on how we can increase our footprint there, how we can realize synergies, and how we can make sure that we are a good partner and supporter of local pharmacies.

That is our intention here, and that is how we want to go further with this. On this slide, you see the question on is it a good business to be in because, of course, we get questions from our analysts and from shareholders when they ask us, is this business healthy?

Do you think that the pharmaceutical business is a good business? Can you really increase revenue and profits there?

Overall, I think that this market is right now in a very much customer focus because new companies like dm and Rossmann, they are entering the market right now. For us, they are not a competitor because we are not an online seller here.

I think it's quite attractive to see this development, and we see that more and more competition is going to be there. I think we can be proud to support the local pharmacies here and also to make sure that they have a stable partner and to really increase the revenue together with them because overall this market is very attractive.

You see increasing revenues here, and the regulation, of course, it is always a risk factor, it's a downside potential that regulatory can change things here, that regulatory can change prices here. Overall, we think that this is a very attractive way how we can increase our numbers here and how we can make sure that we have a good progress in this business here.

Let's start with AEP. On the right side, you see the headquarter of AEP.

It is in Bavaria, very close to Aschaffenburg and Frankfurt. You see on the bottom how the headquarters look like.

They have a big logistic hub there. Additionally, they have all their offices there in Alzenau.

The company was found in 2012 as a pharmaceutical wholesaler, as a B2B platform, and they only have B2B revenues. They are really a pure B2B player.

They only have B2B revenues. Additionally, they had a very good growth perspective in the last years.

So 2021 they had a revenue level of €500 million. Now, they have doubled it within four four years, and so you can see that there's a really high market dynamic and that you can see that they have a very good market position.

They're not the biggest in the market, they also have additional other competitors like the Phoenix Group, just to mention one, but from the cost ratio, they are best in class, and I'm more than happy that we would like to acquire them and combine a good pharma group together with them. On the bottom, you see the corporate structure.

Currently, the Austrian postal company, which is a state-owned or a state-majority company, they have the majority stake here at AEP, and on the right side, you see that they have some minority shareholders. In total, they have, I think, five shareholders.

Yes. This is our acquisition process, and very happy that Björn Minnier take over for the next pages to give you some more details on AEP.

Björn, you are muted.

Björn Minnier

Hello to everyone, and in my position, I should be less emotional, but still I am very happy that we managed yesterday after very long process in the acquisition to sign the SPA for AEP. I believe that the extra about 1 million, 1 billion, Dominik probably mentioned that right before, in sales and the approximately €20 million in profit, EBITDA profit, will really be a great benefit to our group.

The AEP, and we've been conducting a deep dive in there, really is a jewel in the pharmaceutical industry. It has excellent connections to the pharmacies and also on the procurement side to the pharmaceutical industry.

It is a wholesaler which has specialized in the industry, and you can see that by a very, very slim cost line which it has all over the entire production, which is the logistics process. We're looking right now here at the logistics process.

I'll keep this short. In overall, this is a regular pharmaceutical logistics process.

It's asset heavy. As you see, we have to procure the goods at the beginning, then we take them in the warehouse.

The warehouse is highly automated. It has special areas for different kind of medicamentations.

It has regular warmth rooms and also it has cold storage rooms. It has a highly automated picking and packaging process.

Same is valid for the shipping, which has been conducted by certain specialty carriers. The entire delivery is being performed overnight.

This is why it is important that the AEP is located east of Frankfurt, as you've been seeing on the page before, because Frankfurt, as most of you might be aware of, is located relatively in the middle of Germany, and so we can reach all areas in Germany with an specialized overnight process. As you see, the AEP partners with all major relevant pharmaceutical manufacturers.

You can see it's Novartis, it's Bristol Myers Squibb, it's Pfizer, it's Eli Lilly, it's GlaxoSmithKline, it's Bayer. All the major brands are a supplier respectively a partner of the AEP.

AEP managed very, very strong growth in sales from 2021 to 2025. Sales have almost doubled from €500 million to now almost €1 billion in sales.

The lever behind it is that the AEP in this business is relatively small, it's not largely inflated, this is why it has a chance to be a price leader. It has a broad customer base with about 7,000 pharmacies.

It has all the necessary licenses to be a major player in the pharmaceutical market, and we have a very strong, educated, senior management team and about 250 specialized employees in AEP. What I like if I look at a business is that the customer base is not too much concentrated on just a few small customers.

What you see here, this is actually almost ideal. You see a spread which is a third each between A, B, and C customers, and to have a relatively large group of A customers indicates that you are not depending on just a few and you have a lot of growth potential with the B and C customers, so that's a perfect base to start with.

You see that the development of the registered customers, pharmacies that is, has been rapidly growing from 1,800 two years after the start to now 7,000, and there still is a lot of potential left over for further growth that we can develop the number of registered pharmacies. The process is the signing, as I just mentioned, just happened yesterday, and then we have the cartel procedures which we have to go through.

This is going to be another two, ideally maybe up to four months, and then we will continue with the closing probably at the end of Q2 in 2026.

Dominik Benner

All right. We continue with the financials.

Right now, we just have the preliminary figures, we do not give too many details right now because, of course, the annual report is not finished. We do not have our financial figures audited right now, these are just an overview of our financials preliminary to the last year 2025.

Overall, just to start with that, we had a positive development in 2025. That means in total we had 11 signings and acquisitions, and we also had three divestments in Q4.

We mentioned and we announced that we sell three very small companies which are too small for our group, which are not suitable to our size already, and we divested it last year. Very important to underline is that we increase our profitability.

In total, we had an increase of the EBITDA adjusted of more than 65%, and I think this is quite a good result regarding the market circumstances and the increasing loan costs the increasing personnel costs here in Germany. Also very important to underline is that we had a good decrease in the operational costs.

That means marketing did not go up, which we expected at the beginning of the year. Distribution is on the stable level, we are very happy that this is not increasing all the time, and also HR costs we really try to focus not to hire too many people and also reduce the staff when we think that this is necessary and when we think that AI is a relevant driver here.

Additionally, with the excellent conditions for new M&A activity, you saw that in 2025 we made a lot of acquisitions. In 2026, we will continue with that.

That means we are very confident that we see good targets and that we will buy other companies this year for a very reasonable price and for a good valuation levels. Very important to underline is that we have our TPG 1 software, and that means we can connect partners like local retailers in a very fast time.

We expect on average less than four months when we adapt and integrate new partners on our platform, and so this is a very good basis how we can scale our business and how we can also enter into new industries. Our five established segments continue to grow, in all our segments, we had a growth in the revenue and also in the profits, and the numbers of partners achieved a record level of more than 16,600.

This is the highest level which we ever had in our company, and we are a little bit proud of that because not in every industry you see so many partners coming to us, but overall we are on a very good track with that. On the right side, you see that we have increased our guidance two times last year, and we achieved a revenue of €728 million, and this was in the upper half of our own forecast range.

The EBITDA adjusted was €55 million, which is an increase of 65%. Here again, you can see the summary of the guidance for the revenue, for the EBITDA, and the leverage.

I will go on to the details on the next page. GMV increased by 44% to €1.3 billion, revenue increased by 39% to €728 million.

Here, you can see the EBITDA adjusted. We increased from €33 million to €55 million, and on the right side, you see the net profit, which increased to €46.5 million last year.

Also when you see it on the long-term perspective, you see the three-year perspective, you saw, I think, a very stable and continuous growth path as well as for the revenue and also for the EBITDA margin. As we try to increase our margin, and so we are quite confident that we will also do it this year.

When we go a little bit more into the details, you can see here our preliminary financial figures for the P&L statement. Right now, we have no full balance sheet statement, but here you can already see our preliminary unaudited financial figures for 2025.

Here, you can see that our other revenue amount was less compared to last year. That is directly relating to the PPA effects.

The PPA effects were around €18 million last year, it was less than 2024, and so it was less other revenues compared to 2024. The gross margin, also important, it was on a stable level.

Actually, we expected a little bit more, to be honest, but in the last quarter in Q4, we saw lower margins and we saw a higher price volatility due to Black Week and Cyber Week. The margin was a bit lower than expected from our side.

Marketing costs was 5.9%. This is pretty much in line with our Q3 figures.

Distribution costs were on the same level, there was no change in the percentage, and HR costs was a little bit less because we have some scale effects in the revenue growth. The EBITDA was €55 million, which represents 7.6% compared to our net revenue.

On the earning side, you see that earnings per share was €2.26, and this is a growth of 41%. This is pretty much in line with our forecast, and actually we just had lower PPA effects compared to last year, also this is affecting this numbers.

Our minority results were €4.5 million due to the new acquired companies in 2024 and 2025. As we make a lot of 50.1% or 51% acquisitions at the beginning and increase our share over time.

The debt leverage, also to show that, we have a range in our forecast, and last year, we achieved a debt leverage of 2.2, and we want to decrease it within the next years. Here, also important to show you that, is our organic and inorganic or non-organic growth because we always get the question on how do you growth organically?

How much was from M&A activity in the last 12 months? Here, you see the overview.

Compared to 2024, we increased our organic growth, we had more organic growth compared to last year. Overall in 2025, we had 63% organic growth, and the rest was non-organic.

Why do we do that? Why do we get organic growth?

This is very simple. You see it on the right side.

We have more partners. We have 24% more products compared to 2024, and we have also good growth rate in the Consumer Goods segment and in the Freight Goods segment.

Also, here you see the relevance of artificial intelligence. This is a thing what we did not really cover two years ago, last year, we completely changed our strategy here.

We implemented an own AI team which are really much working for our subsidiaries, and they take care that we have cost effects here, that we can reduce the cost bases and that we can increase the automation on our process here. You see that last year we only had 12% of our group-wide processes being automated or AI-affected.

This is going to be changed dramatically in the next years, we expect an increase to more than 60%. That means 60% of our processes in our company will be affected and possibly changed with AI.

This is a huge impact in our organization, and it is affecting directly the departments like software development, like online marketing, HR, finance, and content creation. All right.

Coming to the last chapter of our call today, you see our vision for 2023. This is what we already presented you last year, it's not a new slide, but we just to want to remember what was our starting point when we presented that.

Our goal was that until 2020 2030, we want to achieve a revenue of €3 billion. We want to achieve double-digit margins and a leverage below eight 1.8 as a multiplier, and we want to be in 50 industries at least and have more than 40,000 partners.

When we look on the development on this path, you see that in 2022 we started with €300 million. This year, we expect stand-alone €1 billion revenues, and for 2030, we expected, according to our last year guidance, that we want to increase it to €3 billion.

How do we do that? You has seen that we have different strategies how to achieve that, and you see that organic is quite the most important one.

With organic growth like new partners or new products, we see the most relevant growth coming to the €3 billion. The second is the synergies, we want to enter new industries and also want to enter into the North American market.

On the right side, you see that we also want to do M&A in existing segments. That is what we do right now also this year.

AEP was an acquisition, or is an acquisition which is running this year. We hope that everything will go well and that we can acquire the company.

Here, you can see a guidance on the one side without AEP and on the other side with AEP. Including AEP, if we close this transaction in the next months, you see that our pro forma revenue will go up to €2 billion, our pro forma EBITDA adjusted will be up to €100 million, and the GMV will increase up to €3 billion.

Also very important to understand, AEP has around 7,000 partners, pharmacies, and so the number of partners would also increase from this acquisition. Here, you can see also the charts regarding the stand-alone guidance and the guidance with AEP.

You see for the revenue and also for the EBITDA adjusted. All right, Nathalie.

Operator

Yeah.

Nathalie Richert

Here, you see our financial calendar. We are on many conferences this year and actually settle some road shows in Europe.

Yes, if you have questions, come back to us at every time. We react very soon.

If you are actually not in our Investor Relations newsletter, then please join it. The QR code is in the presentation, and I'm very looking forward to the exchange this year.

Thanks.

Operator

Thank you very much for your presentation and the dive into your numbers. Ladies and gentlemen, it is your turn now as we move on to our Q&A session, and you have the possibility to place your questions in our chat box, as already happened.

I will give the word to you, Dominik.

Dominik Benner

Yes, thank you very much. The first question is, 'If the stock drop without any change in the operational business, why we don't see an aggressive buyback program?'

Absolutely. I completely agree with you.

The issue is that according to our bond terms, we're not allowed to make a buyback program, we are not allowed to do that as long as we have the current Nordic bond. Otherwise, of course, we would do that definitely.

Next question, it is about the domains. 'Which domains are most relevant for your results right now?

I'm asking from a SEO perspective, this is a technical perspective on Google.' Actually, we do not have a chart where we can show our most relevant pages, but, of course, you know that Fashionette is quite a relevant page, Chronext is a relevant page, 0815 is a very relevant page.

You can see on our portfolio which are the bigger Google domains and which are smaller Google domains. Actually, in the B2B sector, we do not work with online shops which are public, these are closed online shops, and you see no Google ranking, for example.

So, Örag Group, for example, they have a really big revenue, but you see no online products available for you because it's only for B2B. Next question was about the 'Could you give an indication on how much cash is spent on acquisitions in full year '25?

Would around €50 million cash outflow be a good estimate?' Right now, we did not publish a cash flow statement because it's not finished at this time.

We have to consolidate all the different companies and get the preliminary annual reports from them, right now, we cannot give you an answer on that. The next question from you was, 'The nature of AEP business as a pharma wholesaler is to have a high inventory position.

How does it fit to the platform strategy?' Actually, yes, the inventory of AEP is between €40 and €70 million, but on the other side, it is a very fast serving product, it is not there for two years or something, every day it is changing there.

It is really a part of our pharma strategy to build a pharma group, yeah, where the Platform Group is the owner, and this pharma group should really give a whole perspective on how we can support local pharmacies and how we can cover the full value chain here. This is, yes, you are right, the inventory is higher than other companies, but on the other side, it is very important for us to cover this value chain piece because this is a very relevant piece for our local pharmacies.

'The share price is directly tied to the market lack of trust in the company, for example manager magazin. Why don't you mention it and give more transparency around it?'

Actually, we do give transparency, and we have an own website where you can see all allegations and our response on that so that we can give you transparent overview on that. I think this is a very important step to give you better understanding on how our perspective is and why we completely deny these allegations.

'The number of offline pharmacies decreased by 2% to 3% per year in Germany. Why did AEP grow so fast in the last years?'

The answer is very simple. AEP is a very successful company, and the number of pharmacies which they are connected and delivering every day, it is increasing.

You are right, the number is decreasing, but the number of connected pharmacies, it's increasing from AEP side. Additionally, also the revenue is increasing in the market, the market is getting bigger.

The population in Germany is getting older and older, and we spend more on pharmacies and not less. This is also very important to understand why this is increasing.

All right, let's continue.

Operator

A small note in between: please understand that we are only accepting questions via chat box today. For direct exchange, please contact Investor Relations, Nathalie Richert, afterwards.

Dominik Benner

The next question, Björn, maybe you can answer that, 'The warehouse is owned by AEP or is it leased?' Björn, you are muted.

Björn Minnier

It's leased.

Dominik Benner

'If it looks like an EBITDA margin of 2%, I suppose the net margin will be very low or even negative.' No.

We have a positive margin. It's a net positive margin.

It's a net positive EBITDA, and so it is above the number what you have mentioned. Then there's next question regarding the total transaction value.

For reasons of confidentiality, we have no public announcement of the purchase price of the company, we cannot give you a detail on that. Okay.

The next question about the understanding of our group, 'So when there's a low stock price, why do you think investors do not understand your business or your business model and your future prospects?' Basically, that is maybe right because maybe our business is a little bit more complex.

We have a lot of different portfolio companies, and, yes, you are right. Sometimes it's a little bit difficult to understand it.

When we talk with American or North American investors, we see a very high understanding of what we do. They also have some peer group companies there.

You are right. In Germany, sometimes people just do not understand our business model, and it's not just a simple, 'Yes, we buy and sell online products.'

It's more complex, and we have five different segments. This makes it even more complex compared to just one pure play company, for example, in the fashion sector.

Yes, you are right, and yeah, we have to really give better understandings and better explanations on how our business model works. Next question, 'In last call, you expected for the full year 2025 an adjusted EBITDA of €58 million and an earnings per share of €2.49.

Your current numbers are below. Did the costs in the last quarters had an effect on that?'

The answer is very simple. We always communicated a range.

We increased our guidance last year for two times already, and this increased guidance we met as well as in the revenue and in the profit. I think we can be quite happy on this development.

The Q4 was okay, we had a good Q4. To mention that, we had good Q4 numbers, but as every time, the Q4 is always the lowest margin in the full year because you have to give higher discounts, you have to participate in the Cyber Week and the Black Friday week, and so on.

This is quite relevant for the margin effect.

Björn Minnier

Maybe I would like to add three more points why we believe that AEP can grow faster than the market. We plan to focus on specialty pharma, which is very, very high sales prices.

This is, for example, in the area of cancer, oncology, it's immunology. These are Rx medicamentations where you have very high prices and where you can rapidly boost your sales.

Secondly, all cold chain products are growing faster than the market, and AEP is very professional with their cold chain logistics, which they have. It's actually new areas.

I mentioned earlier on blistering, for example, would be a service we are analyzing to offer. Blistering means that actually in the warehouse you are packaging the single medicamentation for patients in hospitals, for example, or for the pharmacies.

This is an extra service which is paid well.

Dominik Benner

Thank you. The next point was that we announced a raise, an increase of our shares.

'Could you give us more details on that?' Yes, we did two capital increases because two long-term investors contacted us and said, 'We want to invest in your company.

We have a strong perspective on the future on that.' We offered this opportunity, and it is also a part of our strategy that we have long-term shareholders besides the Benner holding.

Yes, this is a background for that. It was a market price, of course.

When they signed a capital increase, it was market price as of the stage. 'Why was the EBITDA margin in Q4 was lower than in Q4 2024?'

Yes, there was almost the same margin, there was not a big difference. Yes, it was slightly below that because we had some companies with low margins which are more active in the Q4 this year, and they were not active in the last year.

For example, Lurapet and Herbertz, they are both companies which came to us in 2025, and they had affected that a little bit in this last quarter. 'In sum, what multiple did you pay for the acquisition?'

As we mentioned, we do not communicate the purchase price. As reasons of confidentiality are in our contract, we cannot give you the answer here.

'What is your goal for the EBITDA margin of the pharma business?' We expect between 2% and 4% of the EBITDA margin in IFRS, and this is currently our expectation in this market, and this is very similar to our competitors here in this market.

The next question is about the expectation after AEP acquisition. Currently, we have two business cases and two different guidances in the market, and right now, we expect 2% to 4% margin in the long term, what a mid-term perspective, for the pharmaceutical group here.

'Is there any chance to publish main KPIs on a monthly basis?' Of course not, because I don't know any company in the stock market who publishes monthly statements as KPIs.

Next question, it's a question to Björn, 'How resilient are AEP's earnings under continued pharmacy pressures? Pharmacies are more and more under financial stress.

How do you see the structural risk? It seems that in the business cash flow, it's working capital driven.

It's not EBITDA driven.' I think this is not correct, but, Björn, maybe you can answer that directly.

Björn Minnier

You have to understand how the market works, and we indicated that it is low margin, but it is high volume. If you take this into consideration, then you know why we still pursue that deal.

Dominik Benner

Yes. Okay.

We continue. 'Legendary compounders like Mark Leonard of Constellation Software and Warren Buffett view their shares not as mere paper, but as extremely prestigious currency.

Are you concerned that a capital increase at current price level and fire sailing?' No.

We make no fire sale here. We have two long-term investors working together with us, and this is, I think, a very attractive way how we can really have a close relation with them.

If they would have asked us two years ago, we would have done it, and we also would do that next year if they would have asked us in two years or next year, whatever. This is really a thing, or we say this is a good and attractive way how we can work together with them.

Next question, 'Why didn't a PE buy AEP?' I don't know.

[laughs] There was a bidding process, there was bidding process of a lot of companies and competitors, and maybe also PE players were part of that, but at the end, we got this signing here. Then the next question regarding the 2026 perspective on the forecast for AEP, 'You write, for 2026, management expects strongly increasing revenues to round €1.3 billion with an EBITDA margin of approximately 1%.'

Actually, I don't know where you got this from. I don't know this number, I cannot confirm this number.

In our business case, we have different numbers, we expect a revenue of at least €1 billion and a margin of at least two €20 million EBITDA. 'Harald Hof, MWB Research, two questions: how do Contrado GmbH and AEP compete each other in the market?'

Very simple answer. They have the same clients.

Contrado is a very small company compared to AEP, but the problem is they also only work for pharmacies, and there's an overlap, and this is quite critical when you work with the Bundeskartellamt in Germany and when you want to get an approval there. It was a decision from us and from the seller that we should say, okay, this is dangerous when we combine it together.

We don't want to risk this control process with the Bundeskartellamt. 'Could you please provide further details regarding the financing structure of the deal?'

Yes, we will do, but as you know from our yesterday's announcement, we will give an update until March this year how we can make the whole finance structure when we do the AEP deal and how it's going to be look like in the future. Yes, we will provide you an update, but not now.

We will do it until March this year. Next question, 'The audio wasn't clear.

Please share why you can't do a buyback again.' Yes, again, the answer is very simple.

We have Nordic bond, and in the Nordic bond prospects, it is not allowed to make buyback programs as long we have the bond. It is not allowed basically.

I would do it. [laughs] I think it's a good investment, but right now, we are not allowed to do that.

If we would like to change it, we have to do a written procedure with all the bondholders that we get allowance for that, and that is not so easy. We get so many questions.

I think in terms of when I look on the timeline, we should focus on five last questions. There's another question regarding the stock decline and the bond price.

I think Nathalie already mentioned that we saw a decline in the stock price and the share price in the last four months. Maybe you know that Paladin was one of our major investors, and they sold all their shares.

They reduced their fund also by a lot of amounts, and so that was the reason why we saw a big decline here. Regarding the bond price, Nathalie already showed you the difference between the Oslo Exchange and the German exchange, and she already explained that to you.

'How will the new acquisitions be financed?' We always have a finance strategy from two components, we have own equity, own cash, and also debt with our banking partners.

That's also how we do our further net and upcoming acquisitions in the next 12 months or 24 months. 'What is happening with your entry into the US market?'

We prepared already, we are on a very good track, and you can be sure that you get some announcements this year regarding our US entry. 'Do you have a guidance on 2026 expected free cash flow?'

Very simple answer: we do not give guidances on free cash flows. Next question about the Big Four auditors, 'Do you want to change to the Big Four auditors?'

We are generally open to that. We've worked together with KPMG until 2019.

We've worked together with Ernst & Young until 2022 or '23. Now we have a smaller auditor, but, of course, we can imagine that on the next AGM maybe we propose another auditor.

In general, we are open to that, and we are happy to discuss it with our investors. Two last questions.

'Is the purchase price of AEP still in the two to five times range, or did TPG spend more for this pharma acquisition?' Again, we did not disclose how much the purchase price was, but you can expect that we try to be in line with our general expectation how much we pay for that.

There's another important question, 'So when AEP has only 2% margin, how does it fit to your overall margin strategy in 2030?' This is very important.

Of course, AEP has currently 2%. Maybe we increase it to 3% or 4% margin, but it's not going to be more.

If we would combine this businesses here, indeed, we would have lower margins, but total in euro total higher margins. It is in fact that if we merge and bring it together, the euro margins will go up and the percentage margin will be diluted because of the AEP acquisition, of course.

This is just mathematically. 'Do you acquire 100% of AEP?'

Yes, we acquire 100%. 'What about synergies from AEP?'

This is a detailed question. We should do this maybe in the next call.

This is too much detail for this discussion here now. The last question was about the guidance for 2030, though the EBITDA margins with double digits are still valid?

How can you achieve that? It is the same answer as I did already give you in my last comment.

I think we've covered 80% of the questions in our time here, and Nathalie is always available for you for further questions, and we can also offer you direct calls, one-on-one meetings if you want. I'm happy to answer then your left questions here.

Operator

Thank you very much, Dr. Benner and Mr.

Minnier. Thank you, Mrs.

Richard, for your presentation, for answering the questions. Ladies and gentlemen, please understand that we are not able to answer all the questions during this call today as we had over 140 participants today.

Yeah. Ladies and gentlemen, please feel free to get in contact with Nathalie Richert afterwards for further questions.

A wonderful day. Thank you.

Nathalie Richert

Thank you. Bye.