Hyperliquid Strategies Inc

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Q3 FY2026 · Earnings Call TranscriptMay 7, 2026

Rob Diamond

Hello, I'm Rob Diamond, the Director of Corporate Affairs for Hyperliquid Strategies, Inc. Welcome to the third quarter 2026 earnings call.

You'll hear shortly from our CEO, David Schamis, and then from our CFO, Brett Beldner. After the presentation, there will be an opportunity for questions and answers from the audience.

Before we begin, please note that the comments during today's call and the accompanying presentation contain forward-looking information. All statements other than statements of historical facts are considered forward-looking statements.

All forward-looking statements are subject to known and unknown risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from the results discussed in the forward-looking statements. Some of these risks and uncertainties are identified and discussed in the company's filings with the SEC.

In addition, information in this call and the presentation regarding Hyperliquid and its operations is based on information that has been publicly disseminated by Hyperliquid and has not been independently verified by the company. We ask you to take a moment to read the disclaimers at the beginning of the slides that accompany this presentation, as they contain important information.

David Schamis

Thank you, Rob. This is David Schamis, CEO of Hyperliquid Strategies.

Happy to be here again to announce another quarter's worth of earnings. As a quick reminder, we are by far the largest digital asset treasury company for the HYPE token.

Today, we own over 20 million HYPE tokens and have over $100 million of cash on our balance sheet. We have been working hard to find ways to enhance our earnings while constructively contributing to the Hyperliquid ecosystem.

Today's example of that is that we are launching a validator, which we'll be talking about more shortly. Regarding Hyperliquid, we continue to see more and more real-world assets moving on-chain via the Hyperliquid blockchain, which we find very interesting and exciting, and we're going to talk obviously about that more as we go forward.

Finally, we continue to see the HYPE token perform very well, especially compared to other major crypto tokens. If you turn on CNBC or any other business news channel on any given day, you will hear any number of the titans of finance that we all know and love talking about how global finance is going to be going on-chain in the years to come.

I think that we all agree with this. What I continue to really believe is that a lot of those titans, while they're correct in their statements, don't really know or understand or think hard about how exactly that's going to happen, what is the precise legal mechanics and form of how that's going to get done.

We think the answer to that is fairly obvious, and a big part of that is Hyperliquid. We've talked about this in the past, and we'll talk about it more today, but Hyperliquid has been, and we think will continue to be, the simplest, cleanest, and easiest path for real-world assets coming on-chain.

The most exciting thing, I would say since the last quarter's earnings announcement, is the amount of attention and focus that this fact has garnered over the last 3 months. We've been in the middle of it.

Lots of people have seen it, and we're going to talk more about it today. Unlike many relatively young platforms, both in crypto and outside of crypto, Hyperliquid generates a significant amount of cash flow.

As we'll see in a few pages from now, nothing else in crypto really compares. As many have commented on recently, it's amazing to look at what a team of 12 people, who never took one penny of outside capital, has been able to achieve.

These numbers are actual fees that the protocol has generated over time. The numbers on the right, showing various rankings and positions that are on the Hyperliquid blockchain today, are actual numbers.

These aren't things we hope to achieve. These are things that have actually happened, and it is just worth noting on every time we get on the phone that this was done by 12 people without one penny of outside capital.

I referred to this a second ago, but this will keep coming up in our discussion, but HIP-3, which is the term used for bringing real-world assets on-chain in perp form on Hyperliquid, I've been talking about this for a year now. Last summer, when we announced our deal, this was something that looked like a really exciting thing that might happen sometime in the future.

We were excited about it. Other people in the ecosystem were excited about it, but no one was seeing tangible evidence yet because it didn't happen yet.

HIP-3 only launched in November, and if you look today of the largest trading pairs on Hyperliquid, 5 of the top 10 are real-world assets: the S&P 500, the equivalent of the Nasdaq 100, 2 oils, and gold. It is really impressive to see the size of these markets and the short period of time that they've become as important as they have.

The 24-hour volume, this was on April 29th, for one of the oil contracts you see here was $710 million. That is real money in a short period of time.

It's only been a few months since oil was even listed on Hyperliquid to begin with. In the early part of 2026, we got to see two live examples of the impact that Hyperliquid could have on real-world assets well beyond a crypto exchange.

On the left here, we see silver. In January, when metal trading was seeing a spike in volume globally, Hyperliquid quickly became a relevant venue for that trading.

There was one day, you see here the line here where Hyperliquid silver volume spiked. It's obviously a volatile thing because the trading levels in silver are volatile, but it's continued to reach those high levels in the future, and it's been just incredibly impressive to see what has happened in silver and other metals on Hyperliquid, also in a short period of time.

Frankly, more interesting, if you look at the chart on the right, is when oil came onto Hyperliquid. This happened only a few weeks before the Iran war started.

You'll notice here the line for when the Iran conflict started. Interestingly, that started late on a Friday, New York time, when the other traditional venues where oil traded was closed, and you could see what happened on Hyperliquid as far as oil trading volume from that Friday going forward.

You see that first slope in that first few days, but it obviously continued meaningfully after that. We're at a point now when you look at these volume numbers and you look at what's going on in the world, it's impossible to say that Hyperliquid has not very quickly become an important part of the oil trading world, and I think that lots of the traditional venues have noticed this.

The amount of interest we've gotten from what I call TradFi market participants, people we talk to all over the place, because of this and the press it's garnered has been very, very impressive. While we are still very excited about HIP-3, the team in Singapore is bringing us HIP-4.

HIP-4 is outcome markets, also known as prediction markets. Building this capability onto Hyperliquid is very exciting and very brand new.

They've launched a few markets so far really just as a proof of concept, but behind all the headlines that prediction markets get, there are some really important things to stress here. This isn't just about competing with Kalshi and Polymarket, even though people love talking about Kalshi and Polymarket.

It's about options. It's about insurance.

There's a massive market that Hyperliquid can attack with bringing outcome markets on-chain on Hyperliquid. Secondly, like HIP-3, HIP-4 ultimately will be set up where deployers can permissionlessly build on Hyperliquid.

We talked about this in our last earnings call. In our last earnings call, this was something we thought would happen in the future.

Today, we're seeing this is happening, something live. The idea that if somebody wants to compete with the two incumbents right now, they don't have to build their own back end, they don't have to build their own systems, order books, all the complicated things you have to build to be an exchange these days.

You could build on top of Hyperliquid a lot faster, a lot less expensive, and a lot more effective. I've alluded to this.

This is just a small snippet of the various things out there in the world, but the TradFi press has figured this out. This is no longer a secret.

I think when we announced this deal last July, I had a lot of my friends that I kind of grew up with in the industry asking me what the hell was Hyperliquid, and I explained it, and they still didn't quite understand. We went on CNBC early on and got some blank stares.

Today, the world is figuring this out. We are proud to say that we've been ahead of this, but we're not surprised at all to see this happening, and we expect that will continue going forward.

Despite this press, despite the headlines we're all looking at here, and despite the people on this call who are listening who obviously know this well, we still think the understanding, the knowledge, and the sort of saturation in the traditional financial markets is still extremely low. There are still lots and lots of people, most people that we deal with in our normal jobs that have not heard of this.

I talked earlier about Hyperliquid versus other similar tokens. This chart is very telling.

The buybacks that Hyperliquid has done over time has been more than these other tokens combined. This is just a simple, graphical example of how successful this has been in returning actual cash flow to the token holders.

Nothing in crypto compares right now, and we think that's going to continue. I want to point out some numbers on the left here.

When we think about tokens outstanding, we do our best to equate that number to a shares outstanding number of a normal, traditional, publicly listed company. We think that number that equates here is 477 million tokens.

When you take the 477 times the token price, that comes out to about $19 billion above here. That's how we think of tokens outstanding.

That's how we think about market cap. There's a page in the appendix that lays this out in more detail, and we are working on getting a live version of this math on our website sometime in the not-so-distant future.

We just think it's important when people think about Hyperliquid and think about things like total market cap of the token that everyone's talking off the same page and we're not sort of debating tokens outstanding, which is something you really don't want to be debating on this topic. It's also important, it's a theme that we've been touching on here.

We've talked a lot about a number of the events in 2026 that have raised the awareness of Hyperliquid. Here are some of the numbers that back that up.

Ethereum and Solana continue to be highly correlated to Bitcoin. HYPE has always been less correlated to Bitcoin, but it continues, and if anything getting less correlated to Bitcoin as time goes on.

We think that makes perfect sense for the reasons we've already discussed. The graph on my right, needless to say, is my favorite.

This shows how HYPE has performed versus other of the large tokens: Bitcoin, Ethereum, and Solana. The callouts we have in here are the obvious ones.

We talked about it already. You see when silver spiked, that I think was a message to the world that Hyperliquid is real, that something is going on here.

You can see what the token did versus the other major tokens, and that continued after the Iran conflict started, as you can see on this chart. When we think about growth going forward, we've had a page in this in the past, I'm not going to spend too much time on it, but this is really where we see the four legs of the stool of future growth.

Builder codes is something that has been around with Hyperliquid for a while. It's the ability for other people to offer Hyperliquid perps to their customers on their own platform.

I think just a few days ago, we saw Ledger offer this, which we're really happy to see. They seem like a perfect partner along with people like MetaMask and Phantom to be doing this.

We think that over time, we'll be seeing other, even more institutionalized partners coming online, doing builder codes. HIP-3, we've talked about quite a bit, bringing perps for real-world assets on-chain quickly and relatively simply versus other alternatives of bringing real-world assets on-chain.

We haven't talked about portfolio margin today, but we've talked about it in the past. This allows traders and market makers to more easily share their collateral across multiple positions.

This is a subtle point. It's not something that every retail trader understands or cares about, but it's something that makes the system, makes liquidity, makes volumes smoother and better and larger on the Hyperliquid blockchain.

Then lastly, obviously, we talked about outcome markets as well. It's a whole new world of additional things that can be brought on Hyperliquid, and we're very excited about it.

Let's talk a little bit about our company and some of the things we've done since we closed on December 2nd. Since we closed, we have deployed over $225 million of our capital.

Early on, we used about $10.5 million of that to buy back our stock. This was mostly in the month of December.

Our repurchase cost of those shares equated to $3.42 per share. Keep that number in your head for a second.

We have acquired about 7.3 million HYPE tokens at an average price of $29.53. Right now, that price is well over $40.

We have sold about 6.2 million shares at an average price of $6.31 per share. I can't help but pointing out, I want to make this abundantly clear to everybody, we bought back our shares at $3.42 a share, we've sold shares at an average of $6.31 a share.

That's something we obviously feel very good about, and in a lot of ways, this one page is sort of Exhibit A of how DATs are supposed to work. When multiples are low, you buy back.

When multiples get higher, you issue and you buy tokens along the way. I mentioned this earlier, but we're very excited to announce that we are going to be creating our own validator, which we'll be launching on May 11th.

We have partnered with Unit, arguably the most credible deployer in the Hyperliquid system. Unit, for anyone that doesn't know, is the company responsible for TradeXYZ.

Unit and TradeXYZ are two names and the one and the same people and one and the same businesses. We think that what TradeXYZ has done over the last number of months has been incredibly impressive.

They are by far the largest HIP-3 deployer on Hyperliquid, and it seems like they are the perfect partner for us to be partnering with to launch our validator. Needless to say, we couldn't be happier about that.

For us, what does this do? This creates opportunities for additional revenue streams for Hyperliquid Strategies, it improves our own staking economics, and it deepens our alignment in the ecosystem.

As I mentioned a minute ago, we will be launching this on May 11th. If you are a large HYPE holder, don't be surprised if I show up in your office and try to urge you to move your tokens to our validator.

Obviously, we continue our disposition of the legacy Sonnet assets. We're happy to announce that we've really completed that at this point.

What we have done was very much in line with what we expected when we did this initial transaction. I'm not going to go through every point here because it's relatively small and relatively immaterial to our larger company today.

I will say when the dust settles here, we're going to own 40% of the newco called Guided Biotherapeutics. Over time, if and when they raise additional capital, that 40% number is likely to go down.

We obviously wish them the best. We own a good chunk of their company, and we hope our 40% ends up being worth a lot of money one day.

Last point, I jumped the gun on this earlier in the discussion, but this shows both the correlation between a token and our stock price and our own stock price performance versus other DATs. It's interesting to see on the left, our correlation versus HYPE has actually gone up over time.

I think while on one hand, it might be surprising for anyone to think that our correlation was so low, it shows you why we had the opportunity to buy back as much stock as we did, mostly early on after closing when we did it. It makes sense that over time that correlation goes up, though it also can make sense that that's going to level out at some and maybe even come down over time as we add more revenue streams that will be correlated, but far from perfectly correlated to the value of the HYPE token.

We don't think this ever gets to 100%. I'm not sure what the sort of perfect run-rate target for this is.

I think 30% was too low where we started. We're happy to see this moving in the right direction.

Then on the right side, as I jumped the gun on earlier, when you compare the performance of our DAT versus other DATs in the large cryptocurrencies, we have outperformed by a lot. I think most of that outperformance has been because our token has outperformed.

We don't have delusions of grandeur around here about what we have done versus what the token has done, but we think a small amount of this that we're proud of is things that we have done that we've highlighted in the last few pages and how we've created value for our shareholders when those opportunities have existed. With that, I'm going to pass on to Brett, who's going to go into a bunch of the numbers around the quarter in more detail than I did.

Brett Beldner

Thank you, David. Hyperliquid Strategies, Inc.

had a strong third quarter, primarily driven by the appreciation of the price of the HYPE token, which as David has previously shown, significantly outperformed the other major cryptocurrencies during the time period. Specifically, HYPE appreciated from a price of around $25.48 on December 31st, 2025, to $36.60 on March 31st, 2026.

That appreciation drove an unrealized gain on our HYPE holdings for the quarter of approximately $198.4 million. We continue to generate yield through our holdings, currently staking all of our HYPE tokens while we evaluate other possible yield-enhancing strategies.

Our current yield strategies generated staking revenue of $2.6 million for the quarter, and we also earned around $1 million of interest income on our cash and cash equivalents. The result was $202.4 million of what we refer to as treasury strategy income.

For the quarter, we recognized $7.2 million in operating expenses, with a significant portion of that relating to the winding down and disposition of the majority of Sonnet's assets. The result, income before taxes of $195.2 million.

From a tax perspective, we recognized a $42.7 million deferred tax expense as required under GAAP, which relates to the difference between the fair value of our HYPE tokens and their tax cost basis. We note this is not a cash expense we owe currently, but rather these taxes would only crystallize into a current obligation if we sold our HYPE tokens, which is not in line with our current treasury strategy.

The result for the quarter was a net income of $152.5 million. For the 9 months ending March 31st, 2026, our treasury strategy resulted in a $58.6 million loss.

This loss is primarily driven by the $169.2 million loss recognized in the second quarter associated with a difference between the HYPE price at the signing of the acquisition agreement with Sonnet last summer, when the cryptocurrency market was hot, and the price at the time of the closing in December, which reflected a softness in the overall market. The combination of the loss from the treasury strategy and the one-time IP R&D write-off associated with the Sonnet acquisition drove a pre-tax net loss of $104.9 million.

Incorporating the deferred tax expense of $60.5 million, as described previously, drove a 9-month net loss after taxes of $165.4 million. Moving on to the next slide, the balance sheet, you can see that we spent the quarter using our cash and cash equivalents to continue to invest in our HYPE treasury strategy.

For the quarter, we spent approximately $160 million on HYPE purchases. As a result, our cash and cash equivalents at March 31st is significantly lower than our balance was at December 31st.

At $113.1 million, still provides us a significant amount of flexibility to continue to both effect our treasury strategy and explore other opportunities. Our HYPE digital assets position on March 31st was approximately $689 million, reflecting an increase from December that relates to both the acquisition of new tokens, both from purchases and staking rewards, as well as the appreciation of previously owned and purchased tokens.

On March 31st, 2026, we held approximately 18.8 million HYPE tokens, up from approximately 12.9 million in December. On the liabilities side, we continue to operate with no meaningful leverage.

The obligations that exist primarily relate to the deferred tax liability that I have previously discussed, combined with the current obligations of both our operating business and the wind-down and sale of the majority of Sonnet's assets. The result is an equity or net asset position as of the end of the quarter of approximately $743.5 million.

Moving on from our performance, we continue to believe it's important to be transparent about the execution of our treasury strategy and would like to once again highlight that we regularly provide updated, relevant information on our website, hypestrat.xyz/dashboard. Once we file our 10-Q, which we expect to occur in short order, our dashboard will be updated with our latest reported figures as well as information on our share issuance and HYPE purchases up through May 5th, 2026.

We would also like to highlight that we have updated our adjusted net asset value information since our last call to provide two numbers: our adjusted net asset value per share including the deferred tax liability, and a calculation of the net asset value per share excluding the deferred tax liability. In our continued outreach and discussion with investors, our understanding is that these numbers may provide meaningful information for their evaluation of our company, and in line with our continued belief in transparency, are being provided.

With that, I'll turn it back to David for some closing remarks.

David Schamis

Thanks, Brett. As you can tell, we continue to be very excited about Hyperliquid, the ecosystem around it, and the role that we are playing in it.

We hope that role expands over time. Today, we are a DAT.

We will continue to be a DAT for a long time, but we will continue to find more and more ways to expand our earnings, expand our revenue stream by participating in more and more ways in the ecosystem. With that, I would like to turn it over to any questions from the participants.

Operator

Thank you. At this time, if you would like to ask a question, please click on the raise hand button, which can be found on the black bar at the bottom of your screen.

When it is your turn, you will receive a message on your screen from the host allowing you to talk, and then you will hear your name called. Please accept, unmute your audio, and ask your question.

We will wait 1 moment to allow the queue to form. Our first question will come from Bill Papanastasiou from Chardan.

Please unmute your line and ask your question.

Bill Papanastasiou

Good evening. Thanks for taking my questions.

It seems like the narrative is shifting from Hyperliquid being more than just a perps exchange. I'm curious how conversations are evolving with institutional players following the launch of pre-IPO markets and HIP-4.

Any color there would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

David Schamis

Look. Hello, Bill.

Thanks for joining. I would say the people we speak with on the investor side, there's a very wide range when it comes to knowledge and understanding of Hyperliquid.

There are some who are very deep in the ecosystem, who are very crypto-native, understand this extremely well. When we speak to them, they say, "We get the whole HIP-3 thing.

Let's talk about HIP-4. Let's talk about pre-IPO," which I'm going to talk more about in 1 second.

There's also people we get on the phone with or get on video with who really have no idea what Hyperliquid is. They probably know what Bitcoin and Ethereum is, and we are really starting from the ground up with an education of what it is.

We really think a big part of our role here in the ecosystem is spending time with the sort of TradFi financial services and exchanges equity investors to have them appreciate that this is something they should be spending time on, and we're doing a lot of that. I think that the answer is there's a wide range of outcomes and interest from people.

I think that almost to a person, it's hard to find people that don't find what's going on in HIP-3 to be interesting. As we said, this isn't now something that we hope might happen in the future.

This is something happening real, having real effects on markets and world events, like the Iran conflict. That's excited people.

HIP-4 is just so topical because of prediction markets, because of Kalshi and Polymarket are always doing something every single day that's newsworthy. The pre-IPO markets that TradeXYZ is launching, I personally can't be more excited about.

I've talked about this in the past, I've tweeted about this. I still have scars from an IPO that happened like 15 years ago that I was an investor in, where I thought that the bankers didn't do a great job in representing us as a client.

One thing that we really could have used was some price discovery before the actual pricing of that IPO. I think that having that price discovery in real markets, with real money changing hands, leading up to an IPO will be very, very valuable and actually moves the needle for venture capitalists and their ability to make assumptions around exits and the investments they can make because of that.

I think this is not a footnote. This is a really interesting thing that might actually affect venture capital investment, jobs, and ingenuity all around the world.

Bill Papanastasiou

Sounds like there's a lot to be excited for. If I can fit one more in, congratulations, first, on the news with Unit.

David, maybe you can just context frame how you see that relationship growing over time? Do you think that there are more opportunities to work with what is essentially the leading market player in the Hyperliquid ecosystem?

How are you thinking about that?

David Schamis

I think the answer is almost certainly yes. We are definitely proud to be partnering with Unit and TradeXYZ on this.

I think that outside of the Hyperliquid team themselves, the Unit/TradeXYZ team is the most respected and most successful in the Hyperliquid ecosystem. They're also people, I think, that are careful as to who they do business with.

They're not going to attach their name and attach their brand to anybody. We are both thrilled and proud to be associated with them more formally right now.

I think there's certainly things we could do more with them. I can't sit here and say what those are or promise what they're going to be going forward, but when you put smart people in a room, and sometimes we join those smart people, good ideas often come out of it.

The answer is no, nothing is cooking that we're about to announce tomorrow or the next day, but yes, I think that we would love to find opportunities to work with them in ways that are mutually accretive.

Bill Papanastasiou

Appreciate all the color and congrats on all the success. Thank you.

David Schamis

Thank you.

Operator

Our next question will come from Matthew Galinko with Maxim Group.

David Schamis

Hello, Matt.

Matthew Galinko

Hey, good afternoon, guys. Thanks for taking my questions.

First off, congrats on the effective treasury operations. One thing, given about $100 million cash balance, what do you think is kind of the right level to hold versus turning that into a staked HYPE?

What's kind of the lowest balance you'd be comfortable holding?

David Schamis

It's a great question. I feel like you might have been a fly on the wall at our board meeting yesterday because this was a hotly debated topic that was discussed and debated.

It's timely that you asked that question. I think let me give you some broad opinions here.

One, we think that $25 million is sort of a bare minimum we would ever consider in holding cash. We think we want to have multiple years of operating expenses sitting in cash, we will in no case ever have to issue equity in any sort of stressed environment to be able to keep the lights on.

I think to start with, $25 million is the absolute bare minimum. Beyond that, we think hard about other opportunities.

It's really a combination of other opportunities we may have to use that cash in the ecosystem. We're not going to go out and buy a sports car maker or an internet company, but other opportunities in the ecosystem that could make sense, and cash to put into buying additional HYPE if there's significant drawdown or some sort of dislocation, and we think that the valuations are at levels that we truly can't help ourselves.

It's certainly some number above $25. I think $100, again, if you were in the board meeting yesterday, some people thought that was too high, some people thought that was too low, some people thought, well, it's just right.

We're really thinking hard about that. I will tell you that is an ongoing discussion we're having while we continue to pretty consistently be buying the token in the market as we've been doing.

The answer is beyond $25, I don't have a magic number to focus on. I think that the other thing, of course, is this is not a static analysis.

Every day, the value of our tokens change. When the value of our tokens go up, the percentage of cash as a percentage of our total capital goes down, and obviously the opposite happens vice versa.

We're watching all those things while consistently buying tokens and thinking about where the right place to end up is. I don't mean to punt, but it's not like I have a secret number in my back pocket and I'm not telling you.

It's something we think about all the time.

Matthew Galinko

No, that's a great answer, and I appreciate the color. Maybe just as a follow-up to that, given another DAT that kind of talked this quarter about selling the asset if they trade below 1 on an mNAV basis to accrete their token, so, again, the idea of selling Bitcoin to buy back the common, can you maybe relate to that, just given your discussions around treasury management?

In a scenario where you're below 1 or meaningfully below 1, does that make sense to you to sell the token to buy back the common, if you do draw down the cash balance kind of to a bare minimum level? Just kind of want to know how you think about that environment.

Thank you.

David Schamis

Look. I would say that we are corporate finance geeks before we are crypto zealots, is the way I would describe us.

Doesn't mean we're not spending lots of time and a lot of brain cells thinking about crypto and being thrilled to be in the middle of this. We're corporate finance geeks.

What I mean by that is when our stock was trading at a discount, a pretty meaningful discount, mostly in the month of December, we did use cash to buy it back, and we got some accretion there. That's certainly something we have done.

In the future, to the extent I'll paint the picture that you started with: if there's a time in the future where we are down to that minimum level of cash and our stock is trading at a serious discount, we would definitely consider selling tokens to do that. We don't have a religious zealotry saying we would never, ever sell a token under any circumstances.

We don't want to do that. We don't think that'll be good for us.

We don't think that would be good for the ecosystem. We don't think that's good for a lot of reasons, and that's one of the reasons we like having excess cash beyond the $25 million.

If you're asking me, gun to your head, would you do that or would you jump out of a window first, the answer is absolutely we would do that. It's a little different than Strategy, I think.

MicroStrategy or Strategy, I think, talked about selling tokens because they need cash to make debt payments, I think. You're probably more of an expert on the latest goings-on there than I am.

Obviously, that's different from us. We don't have any debt.

It's just different.

Matthew Galinko

Great. Thank you.

I'll jump back in the queue.

David Schamis

Thanks, Matt.

Operator

We currently have one question from Brian Viessman at Siebert that I will be reading out. Here's the question: "Has there been any update to the treasury strategy as far as the 1.1 by 0.9x mNAV bands and your calc of mNAV?

I know there was an update to the mNAV calc recently based on your deferreds. Curious if there's any others you'd call out that impacts that original framework."

David Schamis

I think I understand the question. The 0.9 to 1.1 band, we haven't changed that.

We don't have an update to that. I will say, as we've said from the beginning, that is somewhat art, not science.

It doesn't mean at 1.11 we are selling shares like crazy and at 0.8999 we're buying back our stock like crazy. That's really meant to give the public sort of the idea of how we think about it and how we focus on it when we start getting attention.

I will tell you, though, the more things we're doing to generate additional revenues in the ecosystem and the more successful those things become, I would say both those numbers will be going up over time. I think that it's sort of an obvious statement, right?

If we have significant additional businesses that are generating significant revenues and earnings outside of just the token and the staking, that would imply we have sort of a sum-of-the-parts analysis, our company is worth more than just the tokens sitting on the balance sheet, and therefore we should be more stingy with selling our tokens and the multiples we would sell at. The answer is, we have not changed that thought today, the 0.9 to 1.1, but that is far from written in stone, both going forward from thinking about those numbers, but also day to day in when we issue stock.

Brett Beldner

Just to clarify there, I think you said --

David Schamis

Please clarify. --

Brett Beldner

tokens once, and you meant shares.

David Schamis

I

Brett Beldner

think the conversation was about shares.

David Schamis

It's all about shares. I'm sorry, I've made that mistake too many times on this call.

Yes. The tokens are always worth one times the value of the token.

Operator

We currently have no other hands raised. That concludes our question-and-answer portion of today's call.

I will now hand back the call to Hyperliquid Strategies for any written questions or closing remarks.

David Schamis

I don't think we have any other written questions that have come in. We absolutely appreciate everyone who joined us.

We certainly appreciate you taking an interest in our company, and more importantly, taking an interest in Hyperliquid and the ecosystem around it. We look forward to continuing to have these calls going forward, but more importantly, we look forward to continuing to have live, highly up-to-date information available on our website and through other sources so that we can disclose as much as possible to the community as quickly as we can.

That is really a key tenet in how we think about things. We want to disclose as much as we can as frequently as we can, as quickly as we can.

Appreciate everyone doing this, and please reach out with any follow-up questions. We're always happy to talk.