David Strow
Good afternoon, and welcome to the Boyd Gaming third quarter 2026 earnings conference call. This is David Strow, Vice President of Corporate Communications for Boyd Gaming.
I will be the moderator for today's call, which we are hosting on Thursday, October 22nd, 2026. At this time, all lines are in listen-only mode.
Following our remarks, we will conduct a question and answer session. If at any time during this call you require immediate assistance, please press * then 0 for the operator.
Our speakers for today's call are Keith Smith, President and Chief Executive Officer, and Josh Hirsberg, Chief Financial Officer. Our comments today will include statements that are forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act.
All forward-looking statements in our comments are as of today's date, and we undertake no obligation to update or revise the forward-looking statements. Actual results may differ materially from those projected in any forward-looking statement.
There are certain risks and uncertainties, including those disclosed in our filings with the SEC, that may impact our results. During our call today, we will make reference to non-GAAP financial measures.
For a complete reconciliation of historical non-GAAP to GAAP financial measures, please refer to our earnings press release and our Form 8-K furnished to the SEC today, both of which are available at investors.boydgaming.com. We do not provide a reconciliation of forward-looking non-GAAP financial measures due to our inability to project special charges and certain expenses.
Today's call is being webcast live at boydgaming.com and will be available for replay in the Investor Relations section of our website shortly after the completion of this call. With that, I would now like to turn the call over to Keith Smith.
Keith?
Keith Smith
Thanks, David, and good afternoon, everyone. Our third quarter performance reflects the benefits of our diversified business model, the ongoing strength of our core customer, and the appeal of the property investments we've been making across our portfolio.
For the quarter, our Midwest & South properties delivered another solid performance, with revenue and EBITDA growth reflecting the consistent strength of this segment. In Las Vegas, play from local residents remained strong.
However, this trend was offset by increased softness in destination business to Las Vegas, primarily at The Orleans, and construction disruption at the Suncoast. In our online segment, Boyd Interactive once again contributed double-digit revenue and EBITDA growth, and we continued to benefit from the strong performance of Sky River Casino, driving increased management fees in our managed business.
Company-wide revenues and EBITDA were down approximately 1% in the third quarter on a reported basis. However, our third quarter results were impacted by several unusual items this year.
These items include the permanent closure of Sam's Town Tunica in November of 2025, the sale of Sam's Town Shreveport on August 1st of this year, higher property taxes at Kansas Star, and a reduction in the tax pass-through amounts. After adjusting for these items, company-wide revenue actually grew 2%, while EBITDA was up 1%, a more accurate reflection of our performance in the third quarter.
Now turning to segment results. In our Midwest & South segment, taking into account the adjustments I mentioned, revenues increased almost 3% for the quarter, gaming revenues were up more than 2%, and EBITDA grew nearly $5 million, or approximately 2.5%.
These results were driven by continued strength in play from both core and retail guests, including growth in unrated play. Adjusted operating margins for the quarter were 38%, consistent with our third quarter margins over the last several years.
This performance demonstrates our continued ability to maintain operating efficiencies throughout the segment. During the quarter, we also benefited from the investments we have made throughout our Midwest & South portfolio.
Across the segment, we have enhanced our gaming floors, introduced new food and beverage offerings, renovated hotel rooms, and successfully completed several growth projects. These investments are delivering solid returns for our company, helping drive continued growth in play from our core and retail customers across the segment.
Next, in our Las Vegas Locals segment, results in the third quarter were impacted by increased softness in destination business to Las Vegas. This impact was primarily felt at The Orleans.
Our third quarter results also reflected the final phases of our renovation project at the Suncoast. Excluding The Orleans and Suncoast, the remainder of our Las Vegas Locals portfolio grew both revenues and EBITDA 3%, consistent with recent quarters.
This growth was driven by increased gaming revenue of 3.5%, with play from both core and retail customers continuing to grow, as well as strong growth in unrated play. At the end of the quarter, we completed our project to renovate and upgrade all of the public spaces at the Suncoast.
Our guests are responding enthusiastically to the improvements, further strengthening our confidence in the long-term potential of the Suncoast. The final phase of the Suncoast project is the remodel of our hotel rooms, which started late in the third quarter.
This project should be completed by the first quarter of next year. We are now preparing for a similar project at The Orleans that will enhance this property's competitive positioning and appeal.
We will begin this project early next year, and we expect only minimal disruption at The Orleans as the initial phases will be in areas that are not currently accessible to the public. Throughout this year, our Las Vegas Locals results have been supported by continued growth in play from Southern Nevada residents, and the strong underlying fundamentals of the Southern Nevada economy give us confidence these trends will continue.
These fundamentals include Southern Nevada's population recently surpassing 2.4 million residents, driven by an annual growth rate that is twice the national average. This population growth is driven by a local economy that continues to add jobs at a healthy pace, leading almost every major metro area in the country.
Over the last 12 months, Las Vegas has reported the second highest job growth rate among the nation's 30 largest metro areas. Local wage growth also continues to outpace the national average, increasing nearly 6% over the past 12 months.
Southern Nevada remains an appealing destination for new residents, offering one of the most competitive cost of living environments in the Western U.S. In all, we remain encouraged by the continued strength of the Las Vegas economy and its prospects for our Locals segment.
Moving next to Downtown Las Vegas, our results for the third quarter reflect increased softness in destination business to Southern Nevada, as well as the impact of multiple storms on Hawaii during August and September. Additionally, in the second half of the quarter, we saw a significant increase in Hawaiian airfares.
While airfares remain elevated today, they have started to moderate. Next, our online segment continued to benefit from the double-digit growth at Boyd Interactive during the third quarter.
This was the first quarter since last year's FanDuel transaction to provide comparable year-over-year results and provides a clearer picture of this segment's performance. Finally, our managed and other business delivered another quarter of strong growth, driven by increased management fees from Sky River.
Sky River continues to perform at a high level, benefiting from the recent expansion project that added 400 slot machines and a 1,600-space multi-level parking structure. With this expansion off to a strong start, work has continued on the next phase of the project, which will add a 300-room hotel, three new food and beverage outlets, a full-service spa, and a new entertainment and event center.
Once complete in 2028, we are confident this expansion will further strengthen Sky River's position as one of Northern California's most successful and popular gaming destinations. In all, our third quarter performance was supported by the benefits of our diversified business model, the ongoing strength of our customer base, and solid returns from our property investments and capital projects.
Building on the success of our recent investments and capital projects, we continue to invest in our properties across the country. In Las Vegas, we expect to complete the remodel of 1,800 hotel rooms at The Orleans in November, followed by more than 400 rooms at the Suncoast in the first quarter of next year.
We will be introducing five new food and beverage concepts across the country in the fourth quarter alone. As we continue to enhance our existing portfolio, we are also actively building our long-term growth pipeline.
In Virginia, our resort development in Norfolk remains on time and on budget for a November 2027 opening, and we expect to celebrate the topping off by the end of this year. Once complete, this upscale resort will be a true market leader, with a 65,000-square-foot casino, 200-room hotel, eight food and beverage outlets, live entertainment, and an outdoor amenity deck.
It will also offer the most convenient gaming destination for many of the 1.8 million residents of the Hampton Roads region, as well as the millions of visitors who visit nearby Virginia Beach each year. Next, in Illinois, our Par-A-Dice casino project continues in the design phase, and we expect to begin construction late next year.
Once complete, this project will transform Par-A-Dice into an all-new entertainment facility. With a single-level casino floor and enhanced amenities, the new Par-A-Dice will be positioned for growth well into the future.
In Louisiana, we are planning to convert our Amelia Belle property into a land-based facility, featuring a single-level gaming floor and expanded food and beverage offerings. This project is also in the design phase, and we expect to begin construction in late 2027, subject to the necessary regulatory approvals.
As we continue to invest in the future growth of our business, we are balancing our capital investments with maintaining a strong balance sheet and returning significant capital to our shareholders. During the third quarter, we returned approximately $180 million to our shareholders through a combination of share repurchases and dividends.
We intend to continue targeting share repurchases of $150 million per quarter, supplemented by quarterly dividends. In all, our third quarter results demonstrate the value of our diversified business model.
In our Midwest & South segment, we continue to deliver growth across the segment. In Las Vegas, we benefited from ongoing strength in play from local residents and also completed our renovations of all public spaces at the Suncoast, positioning this property for future growth.
Both our online and managed businesses continued to produce strong results, and we continue to build a strong pipeline for growth. Building on the success of our previous growth investments at Treasure Chest, Ameristar St.
Charles, and Cadence Crossing, we are now focused on completing our market-leading resort in Virginia, which remains on track to open next year. In addition, we are moving forward with growth projects at both Par-A-Dice and Amelia Belle.
Finally, our financial position remains strong, with leverage of 2.2 times at the end of the quarter, supporting our balanced approach to capital allocation and positioning us to continue creating long-term value for our shareholders. Our success is a reflection of the dedicated Boyd team members across the country and their commitment to delivering memorable experiences for our guests.
I would like to thank them for everything they do for our company. Thank you for your time today, and now let's turn the call over to Josh.
Josh Hirsberg
Thank you, Keith. During the third quarter, play from both core and retail customers continued to grow.
As Keith mentioned, in our Midwest & South segment, adjusted revenues for the quarter grew nearly 3%, while EBITDA grew approximately 2.5%, supported by growth in gaming revenues. In our Las Vegas Locals segment, excluding The Orleans and Suncoast, revenues and EBITDA each grew 3%, with gaming revenue growth of 3.5%.
Increased softness in destination business to Las Vegas negatively impacted our Las Vegas Locals segment, primarily at The Orleans, and also impacted visitation to Downtown Las Vegas. Despite these pressures in Las Vegas, we remain disciplined in executing our operating strategy.
Excluding The Orleans and Suncoast, margins in our Las Vegas Locals segment were 47%, even with the third quarter in each of the last two years. Company-wide, outside of the impact of destination business to Las Vegas, the remainder of our land-based portfolio across the country is performing well.
Our managed and online businesses both continued to grow during the fourth quarter, contributing to the diversification of our revenues and EBITDA. During the quarter, we invested $159 million in capital expenditures, bringing our year-to-date capital expenditures to $456 million.
We now expect to spend approximately $650 million for this year, including $250 million of maintenance capital, $75 million of incremental hotel capital associated with our Orleans hotel remodel, which is on schedule to be completed by the end of this year, $50 million in growth capital, primarily related to completing Cadence and the design and pre-construction efforts related to our Par-A-Dice project, and finally, $275 million for our casino resort development in Virginia, which, as Keith mentioned, remains on schedule and on budget. In terms of our capital return program, during the third quarter, we paid $15 million in dividends and made $164 million in stock purchases, representing 2 million shares.
Our actual share count at the end of the third quarter was 71.2 million shares, a 9.4% reduction in our share count since the third quarter of last year. We plan to continue targeting approximately $150 million in shares per quarter, placing us on track, inclusive of dividends, to return more than $680 million to shareholders this year, representing approximately $9.80 per share in value for our shareholders.
Given our strong free cash flow, we are able to make capital investments and return capital to shareholders while maintaining a strong balance sheet. We ended the quarter with traditional leverage of 2.2 times and lease-adjusted leverage of 2.7 times.
We have ample capacity available to us under our credit agreement, with our next debt maturity in December 2027. We expect to refinance that maturity later this year or in the first half of 2027.
In conclusion, our consistent operating performance, strong balance sheet, and robust free cash flow position us well to continue creating long-term value for our shareholders. David, this concludes our remarks, and we're now ready to take any questions.
David Strow
Thank you, Josh. We will now begin our question and answer session.
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We'll now pause a moment while we compile our list of questioners. First question comes from Steve Pizzella of Deutsche Bank.
Steve, please go ahead.
Steve Pizzella
Hey, good afternoon, everybody, and thank you for taking my questions. For Las Vegas Locals, you outlined some good underlying growth trends ex-destination and Suncoast.
Given these trends, do you think the Locals segment can grow next year? Are you able to quantify the estimated destination and Suncoast impact?
Josh Hirsberg
Sure. Steve, I'll take the first part.
Basically, I think we believe that we could see modest growth next year in Las Vegas Locals EBITDA. I think it's really dependent on what happens with the destination business.
Q3 destination was a little bit softer than we expected, but we don't expect that to really continue into Q4 at that level. I think we would generally expect kind of destination trends to be similar to what we have seen for the quarters preceding the third quarter.
Suncoast disruption in Q3 was a little bit less than we expected. As we kind of go into Q4 and 2027, Keith mentioned that Suncoast will have some rooms out of service in Q4 and then again in Q1.
Our expectation is to kind of have kind of very modest contribution from Suncoast in Q4, just given those rooms being out of service, and then for it to ramp up really kind of coming into Q1 and into Q2 of next year. I will point out, we've got rooms coming online in Q4 and Q1, Suncoast, Orleans in Q4, and Cadence contributed in Q3 and is continuing to ramp in Q4 to hit full stride around Q1 of next year.
Steve Pizzella
Thank you. That's helpful.
Then just pivoting towards the buyback, can you talk about how you view share repurchases with the stock at current levels? Does it make you want to be more aggressive?
Keith Smith
Look, we've signaled that we're targeting $150 million per quarter, and that's probably all we're going to say at this point. We have tended, if you look at our history, to be a little more aggressive as there's dislocation in the stock price.
That's a function of other things we have going on and once again trying to maintain this balanced approach looking at what we're reinvesting in our properties, looking at our growth projects, looking at how many shares we want to buy back or how much in terms of dollar value that we want to buy back. Our history does indicate that we do take advantage of dislocations in the stock price.
Steve Pizzella
Great. Thank you.
Keith Smith
Yep.
David Strow
Our next question comes from Steve Wieczynski of Stifel. Steve, please go ahead.
Steve Wieczynski
Hey, guys. Good afternoon.
Keith or Josh, I want to go back to the destination weakness that you guys were kind of referring to. I think at this point we've kind of heard that same narrative from you guys for I think it's been probably the last two quarters or so.
If I hear you right, just to make sure we have this right, it sounds like it actually did intensify relative to where that was back in the second quarter. I think that's kind of what you guys were referring to.
If that's true, maybe what gives you the conviction that you think that kind of turns around in the fourth quarter?
Keith Smith
I think you heard it correct, which is our view is that the softness in destination was a little stronger or intensified in Q3 vis-a-vis Q1 and Q2. I think you've probably heard this conversation from us for the last three or four quarters, actually.
Part of that is driven by the fact that in Las Vegas, as everyone knows, the third quarter, the summer quarter, is our weakest quarter, these types of pressures get intensified during the quarter. July looked okay, August was probably weaker than we anticipated, and with the shift of the holiday, it's a little hard to tell, and September was a little bit better than August.
As we look at the fourth quarter, we look at having hotel rooms back at The Orleans. We've had more than 300 rooms out of service every day for the last year.
Now, do we need those rooms on weekends or weekdays? The reality is no.
Do we need those rooms on weekends? The answer is yes.
That will support us, and we think that just the general trends will soften the impact of the weakness in destination as we look at Q4 and next year, just a combination of factors.
Steve Wieczynski
That makes sense. Then, Josh, for M&A, given, obviously we've kind of seen gaming valuations here contract over the last, call it six months or so, and with where your balance sheet is, your strong balance sheet, is that something you're kind of more thinking about these days?
Then, Josh, totally unrelated to that, you were giving us guidance for the online and managed segments. Is what you told us last quarter still a fair range for those two segments?
Thanks.
Keith Smith
On the M&A side, look, I would say our comments haven't changed. Given changing multiples and valuations of stock prices and other factors, doesn't change our appetite, doesn't make us more aggressive or less aggressive.
We have the same discipline we've had over the years, which is we have a set of filters that it has to work its way through, being the right asset at the right price in the right market, which means it has to be a stable market from a tax and regulatory standpoint, has to be a high-quality asset. We have as big of an appetite as we've ever had, but we remain disciplined.
Absent all the rumors of us looking at lots of things, they're just that, they're rumors, but we've grown a lot through M&A over the years. We tend to do it in chunks.
We grew a lot in '11 and '12, and took a few years off, grew a lot in '17 and '18, and when the right opportunity presents itself, you'll see us execute. In the meantime, we remain disciplined.
Josh Hirsberg
I think that we don't feel like we have to do anything. We have a good core business that has been operating consistently, generates a lot of free cash flow, and we just have to be really good at allocating that capital, just to add the comments on the M&A side.
In terms of online and managed, we previously gave guidance. What I would say is, given the performance in Q3, that the guidance still holds, but I would kind of direct people toward the high end of the ranges that we had previously given for both of those segments, both online and managed.
Steve Wieczynski
Great. Thanks, guys.
Appreciate it.
Keith Smith
You bet.
David Strow
Our next question comes from Barry Jonas of Truist Securities. Barry, please go ahead.
Barry Jonas
Thanks, guys. You talk about a 3% growth in the Vegas Locals portfolio outside of Orleans and Suncoast.
Just curious how much of that is the addition of Cadence Crossing, and maybe just talk about the ramp that you're seeing there. Thanks.
Josh Hirsberg
Yeah. Cadence is definitely helping it, but it's not the majority of it.
It's a component of it. It's probably, and I don't have the numbers in front of me, but it's probably a third of it or so.
Then it's continuing to ramp in Q4 as well. It's coming around.
Revenues are ahead of quite honestly where we expected they would be, continues to improve, and so we think it'll continue to kind of ramp from an EBITDA perspective, likely hitting full steam in Q1 of next year.
Barry Jonas
Got it. Then, just had a question about Pennsylvania and Midwest & South with skill-based games being removed in that market.
Are you seeing or do you expect to see any upside to operations in the state? Thanks.
Keith Smith
In Pennsylvania, yeah, where they've been shut down and they're to the best of my knowledge, being removed, we would certainly hope that we see some uplift in the business at Valley Forge. Obviously, it's early and have nothing to report right now, but we certainly expect there to be some uplift.
Exactly how much, hard to say, but we're paying attention.
Barry Jonas
Thank you.
David Strow
Our next question comes from Dan Politzer of JP Morgan. Dan, please go ahead.
Dan Politzer
Hey, good afternoon, everyone. Thanks for taking the question.
Maybe just a broader question going back to the destination commentary in the Las Vegas Locals market. It feels like we started to see the softening I think it was third quarter of last year, which kind of coincided with some of the softness on the Strip.
It seems like these are obviously pretty related, but I guess what gives you that confidence that fourth quarter gets better? Then along those lines, I think in the past you said that the fourth quarter could be kind of we get back to flat or growth in the Locals market.
Do you still feel like that's kind of within a realistic expectation?
Keith Smith
I think when we look at the Locals market, a couple of things. One is, as both Josh and I pointed out in our prepared remarks, the core market ex-Suncoast and ex-Orleans performed very well, performed at a similar pace as it had earlier in the year.
That gives us confidence that the core business is actually performing well. Once again, Suncoast, the walls related to the construction project came down late in the quarter, we'd expect that to begin to recover in Q4.
Then as it relates to The Orleans, I guess what gives us confidence is a couple of things. One, once again, we're going to get 350-ish hotel rooms back that, while we may not need them midweek, I said this earlier, we certainly can use them on weekends, especially during high-demand holiday periods, the rodeo period coming up, and others.
I also think that, and we believe, the kind of intensity increasing in what we call the destination softness has a lot to do with the fact that it was summer and it's the weakest quarter of the year in Las Vegas, and so these trends tend to get exaggerated. Then at the end of the day, it's probably just a little old-fashioned optimism in there also.
Josh Hirsberg
I think I'd like to just make sure we're talking about the same thing. Big picture, and this applies broadly, not just destination applies across Las Vegas and the Midwest & South, July was a good month for us.
August was a very soft month, not only in the Midwest & South, but also in Las Vegas. September, I would say, was kind of more normal, just wasn't strong enough to kind of offset the softness that we had seen in August.
When we think about the destination business, it followed that same kind of pattern, if you will. It was much softer in August than we had seen in any other month.
We're just saying, and I even said it on the last earnings call, the anniversary of the destination business, we thought it was going to be down, but just down less. What we're saying is that in Q3, the softness in destination got worse than the trend that we had seen in the preceding four quarters.
Going into the fourth quarter, we attribute a lot of the or some of the incremental softness associated with destination, as Keith said, to the slower seasonality in the business. I think what we're saying for Q4 and going forward is the destination business is going to have trends that are similar to what we saw before Q3.
We're not suggesting it's going to be flat. We're not suggesting it's going to grow.
We're not even saying it's going to be less bad. It's going to be similar to the trends that we have previously seen.
Then as we progress through the year next year, we'll get a sense of how it's going to perform. We're not suggesting that we have any kind of crystal ball that suggests when what is really a broader impact on Las Vegas, i.e., it's not just our business, it's a market-driven kind of demand issue with destination business, that's when visibility change on that, that's when it'll change in our business.
Dan Politzer
Got it. Thanks so much.
David Strow
Our next question comes from David Bain of Texas Capital Bank. David, please go ahead.
David Bain
Great. Good afternoon.
Thank you. I guess first, once Suncoast renovations are fully complete and operational disruption kind of clears, if you will, can Locals margins recapture that 2025 level next year?
It seems like a yes given Josh's 3Q Locals margin comments, but are there any promotional, labor, or other considerations that we should think about when looking at next year on margins?
Keith Smith
When you look at the Suncoast, you look at the Locals portfolio, Josh, I think, indicated that ex-Suncoast and Orleans, margins were 47%. It is a soft summer quarter.
I think the most other quarters were hovering around the 50% level. As you think about the business next year, you can think about those margins.
Suncoast is, for all intent and purpose, done with the exception of the rooms, which will have some small impact on the business. The rest of the portfolio is just performing as we'd expect, as we talked about, with 3% EBITDA growth and good gaming revenue growth.
Once again, we're going to get some rooms back at The Orleans and we'll just see how the destination business ebbs and flows. I think we're comfortable thinking about that 50% margin number.
David Bain
Oh, okay. Great.
Then, I hate to beat this to death, but just maybe a follow-up on the potential cadence of quarterly destination trends. It sounds like what you're saying is just it could be more seasonally acute right now, but there's nothing specific from a marketing or competitive variable disruption that you're seeing, something new like that, the all-inclusive options or anything that would be more aggravating to results.
Is that what I'm kind of getting?
Keith Smith
No, you assessed it right. There was no promotional activity in the quarter that significantly changed the cadence of destination business in our Locals segment.
It was pretty typical. Aggressive room rates on the Strip, but they've been aggressive for more than the last couple of months.
The local promotions to the Las Vegas residents generally don't have an impact, regardless that happens every so often. Nothing unusual in the quarter that would have exaggerated that.
David Bain
Great. Thanks, guys.
Keith Smith
Thank you.
David Strow
Our next question comes from Ben Chaiken of Mizuho. Ben, please go ahead.
Ben Chaiken
Hey, thanks for taking my questions. Maybe going back to Locals and we've touched on some of this two times, but can we maybe talk more about the investment at The Orleans and maybe flush out what you're solving for?
Is it just the hotel rooms for peak periods that you were referring to, Keith, a few questions ago? I guess I ask because obviously it serves one of the softer segments.
Is the idea just to invest in the long term despite near-term headwinds, or is there something the property doesn't have today that you think it's contributing to the softness you're seeing over the last 12 months? Does that question make sense?
Keith Smith
I think I understand what you're asking. The hotel rooms needed to be remodeled.
They're on a cadence. It's maintenance CapEx, and they just need to happen.
That was just something that was going to happen kind of regardless of where we're at in the cycle. We have 1,800 hotel rooms there, it took a long time to get through.
That's one issue. In terms of the broader renovation of The Orleans, it's just it's time.
The property is, in its current format, probably 30 years old, and while we've maintained it, it needs to simply be renovated and upgraded for the long-term competitiveness of it. It is an important asset in our portfolio.
It is not as competitive today as it has been in the past, and it simply needs to be upgraded as part of the process. You can just think of it as a major maintenance upgrade is what it is.
Every 30 years or so, these buildings need to be reinvested in and refreshed, and that's where we're at with The Orleans.
Josh Hirsberg
Ben, what I would add to that is we're effectively doing the same thing at the Suncoast, and we're kind of bringing the property up to what would be viewed as a current competitive product. That's what we will do at The Orleans, and there what we have seen is re-engagement of our customers, not only our recurring kind of loyal customers, but picking up new customers.
The excitement around the investments is really positive. While we treat it as maintenance capital, I think we expect there to be growing contributions after making that type of investments.
Keith Smith
Maybe to your point, there's nothing in particular we're trying to solve for except simply creating higher-quality experience for our customers.
Josh Hirsberg
I think, I know investors are generally worried at times about disruption. As Keith mentioned in his remarks, just to remind, in 2027, there won't be any disruption because all of the activity will be taking place in areas that are not available to customers today.
It'll be a different type of rollout.
Ben Chaiken
Okay. That's that's all very helpful.
Then just one quick one, in Downtown, you mentioned both airfares and storms, oh sorry, yeah, airfares and storms, both of which makes sense. Is there any way to kind of like quantify and delineate between the two?
Keith Smith
There really isn't. They kind of happened simultaneously.
The last six weeks of the quarter, you had four storms impact the Hawaiian Islands. That's unprecedented over the years.
That just doesn't happen in six weeks. At that same time, you saw airfares spike.
Airfares around the country are generally up in the 20% category. You saw airfares spike significantly higher than that.
They've begun to recede and moderate, but they're still high.
Ben Chaiken
Thank you.
Keith Smith
Yep.
David Strow
Our next question comes from Joe Stauff of Susquehanna. Joe, please go ahead.
Joe Stauff
Thank you. Hi, Keith, Josh.
Could you give us maybe an update building on the last couple questions around The Orleans about the competitive situation, right? We've been talking about this for, I guess, now approximately two years and just wondering if the level of competition that you're seeing from them in terms of excess promotion has stabilized?
Then, a second question on opex, looks like very tight management in the third quarter. Just wondering, are there any headwinds or special accruals that you have to solve for in terms of continuing management of that cash opex in the fourth quarter in particular?
Keith Smith
On the opex part, I would say there's nothing special. It's just the focus of the team.
We have obviously a high-quality team that's been together for a long time, and they have a good handle on the business. In today's world, it's day-to-day combat, simply fighting through expenses and trying to make adjustments, and ensure we maintain margins where they need to be, and kind of stick to our very disciplined approach that we've been executing post-COVID.
I'm not sure I fully understood the first half of your question.
Joe Stauff
First, it's just the promotional levels, especially impacting likely The Orleans from Palms and some of the other casinos that's occurred over the past, say, a year, a year to two, and where that is.
Josh Hirsberg
I'll take a shot at it. Look, I think, first of all, think back to the question just before yours from Ben in terms of the philosophy behind investing in The Orleans, it's really about making sure that we have and can remain competitive from the product that we're offering.
I think that in relation to the significant marketing from properties around The Orleans and Gold Coast, we had really gotten to the point where we had adjusted our business to manage that business, if you remember that level of competition. If you recall, I'm going to get all my dates wrong, but starting about a year ago, we had really the impact of destination.
If you look back at Q1 and Q2 of 2025, our business in terms of the impact from that competitive pressure or that promotional activity, rather, had really started to stabilize. Gold Coast had stabilized and started to improve, and The Orleans had just started to stabilize.
Then destination started to impact. From my perspective, it's not that those properties are not having an impact, it's that we've learned how to manage through that competitive pressure.
Really the focus is on kind of understanding this destination business and figuring out how we're going to counter that over time, either through some kind of economic recovery that occurs or in terms of how we run the business. I will point out that at The Orleans in particular, we are and we have been for several quarters now adjusting how we operate to match kind of that level of demand that we're seeing from destination customers.
We're choosing not to be aggressive in terms of promoting just to drive revenue. In fact, on the other hand, we are sticking to what has made us successful since COVID, and that is making sure that we're investing in the right customers that drive profitable revenue.
There's no reason to promote or discount rooms aggressively. If you take all that, put it in the blender and sit around and think about where we need to invest and where we want to kind of ensure that our portfolio remains competitive, The Orleans is an obvious example of where we need to deploy capital.
So.
Joe Stauff
Appreciate that. Thank you.
David Strow
Our next question comes from Lizzie Dove of Goldman Sachs. Lizzie, please go ahead.
Lizzie Dove
Hi, thanks for taking the question. I just wanted to kind of broaden it out, I guess, to the consumer environment more broadly.
I guess it's hard to separate out just from the destination market and airfare and all of that, but to the extent some of the volatility that we've seen there and with gas prices, how you think that's kind of impacting, whether it be the Locals market or more on the Midwest & South side of things, and if you can comment any kind of recent trends quarter-to-date?
Keith Smith
Looking at the third quarter, what I would say is, we talked about this in our prepared remarks, we saw strong growth from our core customers. We saw strong growth in unrated play, both here in Las Vegas, ex-Suncoast and Orleans, as well as throughout the Midwest.
We saw good growth in ADT, or spend, from our core customers, up mid-single digits or better, once again, good growth in unrated play, softness in the low end of the database, no surprise, more economically sensitive to inflationary items, whether it be gas prices or just inflation in general. I think that that comments or that explanation is applicable both to Las Vegas, as well as across the Midwest.
We're not seeing any real significant distinction between the South or our East Coast properties or our Midwest properties or our Las Vegas properties in terms of how the consumer is spending, or at least our consumer is spending their money.
Lizzie Dove
Got it. Makes sense.
Then you've had those pretty consistent trends in the Midwest & South, adjusting for the tax and what not this quarter this year. I guess, as you look to next year on a kind of normalized basis ex the sale, how do you think about, there were some tailwinds this year, especially earlier in the year, from tax refunds and what not potentially, but as you look to next year, just kind of the sustainability of this kind of underlying growth that you've seen?
Josh Hirsberg
Yeah. Look, I think that we think there are several kind of different initiatives or items that are enabling the Midwest & South to deliver the levels of performance that it has.
In reality, it's the same thing that's happening in Las Vegas outside of The Orleans and Suncoast, and that is people naturally are staying a little bit closer to home. They're spending more closer to home.
Secondly, there was some degree probably of benefit from the tax bill, and that affected Las Vegas as well as the Midwest & South. I think we have had good success in investing in our products, both in Las Vegas and the Midwest & South.
We don't look at it really as, oh, there was one item that is contributing to the success of the Midwest & South or, for that matter, the properties outside of The Orleans and Suncoast. As we look at our business trends and the underlying health of our consumer just generally across all the segments within our databases and even looking at unrated outside of the database, we don't really see that shifting at this point.
We don't see any reason to suggest that it's going to change. As we look at 2027, we would expect the Midwest & South to largely perform consistently in terms of similar levels of growth that we have seen in 2026, and we would expect, with a little bit of portfolio changes, and I'll tell you what I mean by that in a minute, in Las Vegas outside of The Orleans really, to continue to grow at similar paces.
We'll get the benefit of the rooms at The Orleans and Suncoast coming online, and we'll get Suncoast to start contributing most likely in late Q1 and Q2, and Cadence will hit full stream as well. Ultimately, as we sit here, there's components of our business that feel good today, have felt good throughout the year, and don't show any signs of why they wouldn't continue in that direction in 2027.
Lizzie Dove
Great. Thank you.
David Strow
Our next question comes from Trey Bowers of Wells Fargo. Trey, please go ahead.
Trey Bowers
Hey, guys. Thanks for the question.
Just two quick ones. The first one, I'm going to kind of repeat a previous question, but curious, when you guys have the stock kind of as dislocated as it is right now, does that change the calculus around any kind of M&A or strategic moves, given you obviously show with your repo how much you feel the stock's undervalued.
If something came along, would when the stock's down like this kind of possibly impact the thought process of doing a deal?
Keith Smith
Hard to, I think, address that or answer that in the abstract, right? It all is really all fact and circumstances, if you will.
We have to see what we're doing, what the opportunity is. We're certainly flexible in terms of our balance sheet and where leverage would go to depending on the type of acquisition, the significance of the acquisition, is it a smaller tuck-in, is it a larger, more strategic, where is the stock and how much do we feel like we should buy back.
We have a strong balance sheet. We've had one for a while and we want to continue to have a strong balance sheet.
We use the word balanced approach to capital allocation, and we're serious when we say it. We take all this into account, but we are flexible in terms of where our leverage goes as long as we can see it returning to a level we're comfortable with.
It's going kind of hard to answer your question in the abstract without very specific facts or circumstances to address, but that's how we think about it.
Josh Hirsberg
Trey, I think you highlight exactly what we have been saying for quite some time. The reason that we want to have a strong balance sheet with low leverage is so that we can do all the things that we've communicated and do on a regular basis, and then not have to forego opportunities as they come along, obviously all within reason.
Just because we have a strong balance sheet doesn't mean we're going to run out and just spend it frivolously or without discipline. We've shown that we don't do that, history shows that as well.
We will continue to have that discipline. When an opportunity comes along, we feel like it makes sense for the company, we don't have to sacrifice share repurchases or capital investments or whatever else we're thinking about doing because of the low leverage.
I think that's one thing that we've learned to appreciate, and we hope the market learns to appreciate over time, as when coming out of COVID, people highly questioned whether we should have the leverage where we are. I think we said that the benefit of doing that is so that we can tell you what we're going to do and you can be pretty sure that we're going to be able to keep doing that.
Obviously, there's some ranges of extremities that would prevent that at some point, but as long as everything's kind of in the range, you can know we're going to make these investments, we're going to make these share repurchases, we're going to pay down debt, we're going to maintain a strong balance sheet. Then if an acquisition opportunity comes along and it meets the criteria, we don't have to second-guess that we can do it, because we can, and then we'll deleverage back down to these leverage levels again and just reset for the next time.
Keith Smith
It is the strength of the position that we occupy, and the strength of the position that the company has put itself in, is to be able to have that flexibility, we'll use it carefully, but we don't have to make choices.
Trey Bowers
Then a quick follow-up, just given the amount of time we've spent talking about destination and Orleans on this call, you guys already break out Locals Vegas. Would it make sense to also break out kind of that destination property and therefore be able to highlight more concretely just what's going on in the actual specific Locals market?
Thanks, guys.
Keith Smith
Yeah. Interesting thought.
Look, it is interesting the focus on destination. The benefit of having a diversified portfolio is that this is one small segment of our portfolio.
It is a small segment within Las Vegas Locals and an even smaller segment within the total Boyd portfolio when you look at the Midwest & South, our managed business, and our online business, and how well everything else is performing. I don't think in the near term we think about breaking it out by itself.
It's just The Orleans. It's a part of The Orleans business.
It's not all of The Orleans business. It's been impacted today, but when you look at the rest of the business, as Josh indicated, outside of this piece of the business at The Orleans, our portfolio is performing extremely well.
Josh Hirsberg
I think to that point, and to the diversification point, I know there's a lot of focus, and there should be a conversation around destination, but overall, not even adjusting for anything, we're essentially down 1% in revenues and EBITDA, right? The business has been consistent all year long, and the stock's vastly underperformed that level of consistent performance.
Trey Bowers
Thanks, all.
David Strow
Our next question comes from David Katz of Jefferies. David, please go ahead.
David Katz
Hi. Afternoon.
Thanks for taking my question. I wanted to focus just on Virginia for a minute.
Observing a divide between public operators who either support or oppose iGaming legislation when and if it should occur in their markets, should we presume that you are inclined to be supportive and embrace iGaming in hypothetical markets and/or Virginia, should it become a reality?
Keith Smith
Properly regulated, properly taxed, legalized, yes, we're supportive of iGaming, whether it be in Virginia or in other places in the United States. It's our position today, it's been our position for a while.
We have enough experience with this over the last decade-plus. This is complementary to our overall business.
It is not predatory, it doesn't hurt the business, it is complementary, we are supportive of it.
David Katz
Understood. Presumably with using the assets, brands, or whatever it is that you already own in pursuing that, correct?
Keith Smith
TBD. It just depends, once again, on facts and circumstances.
We have largely used the Stardust brand up in Canada and in Pennsylvania and in New Jersey, where we launched it. We also have a couple other brands we're using in those states, it just kind of depends on how many skins there are, what the opportunities are, and like I said, it is a little bit fact-based, it's hard to answer right now.
David Katz
Okay. Thanks.
Good luck.
Keith Smith
Thank you.
David Strow
Our next question comes from Chad Beynon of Macquarie. Chad, please go ahead.
Chad Beynon
Hi, good afternoon. Thanks for taking my question.
Wanted to ask about the Chicago VLT distributed gaming opportunity. I think that's something.
It was originally talked about when Illinois legalized this form of gaming over a decade ago, and now it looks like the catalyst might be near term. How are you thinking about Lattner and the opportunity to expand into that market?
Thanks.
Josh Hirsberg
Yeah. Look, I think we evaluate that just like we would evaluate any other opportunities, and Lattner is a smaller piece of our business, we have to consider that in context of the other opportunities that are available to us.
There's not really much more I can say about it at this point.
Keith Smith
Yeah. Look, the Lattner team will be focused on trying to get some of those licenses, but it's not anything that will be a tailwind for us, that will move the needle for us, that would in any way, shape, or form kind of propel us to the next level.
It is something that you can be assured that the Lattner team is looking at. It's been on the radar screen for a while.
It's just not a significant driver of our overall business.
Josh Hirsberg
It's a well-run piece of our business, but unfortunately, a small piece.
Chad Beynon
Thank you. Then one more on potential expansion or M&A.
Does the return to seasonality on the Strip or destination markets, particularly with, let's call it, mid and or below properties and what we've seen with financials in the first half of the year, what we saw in 2025, does that change how you're thinking about M&A opportunities? What I'm getting at is, I think, the operational leverage for these low- to mid-end focus properties have been hit really hard, where obviously the higher-end ones have held up.
Maybe the returns are just harder to get there, penciling them now after seeing some of these results in the past six months from other Strip operators? Thanks.
Keith Smith
Look, I would say that today's conditions really don't change our calculus and how we look at M&A. I go back to the litany of things that are important to us: higher-quality assets at the right price in stable markets.
We don't have to, as Josh mentioned, do anything, we're not going to buy assets just because they're cheap or they maybe are priced right. They have to be a high-quality asset.
They have to produce a significant amount of EBITDA for us to move the needle for us, for us to be interested, and have to be in stable tax and regulatory jurisdictions. Seasonality, dislocation of value, or those types of things doesn't really change how we view it.
It still has to be the right asset for us.
Chad Beynon
Thank you. Appreciate it.
David Strow
Our next question comes from Brandt Montour of Barclays. Brandt, please go ahead.
Brandt Montour
Hi, everybody. Thanks for taking my question.
Back to Las Vegas Locals, if you were to take out destinations and Suncoast and just look at the core business, is there any reason why that business would look differently third quarter into fourth quarter seasonality-wise versus the last call it three years, which I think, kind of typically did something like mid to high teens? Any reason why it wouldn't look like that this year?
Then just sort of an embedded question there, are you concerned at all about the midterm elections in the state of Nevada and if that could affect either foot traffic or just sort of distract your customers in the fourth quarter?
Keith Smith
As it relates to the upcoming elections, really don't see that having a material impact on the business one way or the other. If it did, it would probably be happening now with all the commercials on TV, to the extent people actually watch terrestrial TV these days and watch all those commercials.
We've seen it in the past, had Democratic governors, Republican governors, has been change in administration. It's not going to have any sort of material impact on the business.
Interesting, but not impactful to the direction of the business. I'll let Josh tackle the first half of your question.
Josh Hirsberg
Brandt, I think ultimately sequentially, it's difficult to talk about. I feel more comfortable without the numbers in front of me just saying year-over-year, when you look at the business, again, excluding Orleans and Suncoast, we expect the same level of growth.
I think there are going to be changes that sequentially make it a little bit different, right? You're not going to have the drag of construction disruption from Suncoast.
You're going to probably have, at least from our perspective, a little bit different impact from destination business going from Q3 to Q4. Talking sequentially when you have so many moving pieces, I'd be hesitant to do that on the fly.
I've tried to do it in the past and hopefully have learned to stop doing that. I think I prefer to just talk about it year-over-year.
So.
Brandt Montour
Okay. Thanks, everyone.
Keith Smith
Thanks, Brandt.
David Strow
Our last question comes from John DeCree of CBRE. John, please go ahead.
John DeCree
Great. Thanks, guys.
Just one to revisit your commentary on the online business. Keith, I think you spoke to it a little bit about new markets, Virginia, but as you think about investment capital, you've got a number of casino development projects in front of you.
What would you need to see from the return profile or opportunity to invest more dollars in the online segment? Not just M&A, but greater maybe investment in brand or customer acquisition.
Do you think that could be a bigger piece of the business over time?
Keith Smith
A couple of comments. I think as we think about today's online business, it's performing at a very high level, strong margins, and we're comfortable with what our CPAs are in terms of what we're paying to acquire customers.
Don't feel like we need to juice it or become more aggressive. It's a very efficient business, very well run, very comfortable with its trajectory.
As we've talked over the last couple of quarters, it is growing nicely. As we think about potential M&A in that world, it's not unlike brick-and-mortar land-based M&A.
It's got to provide a high return. It's got to be additive to the overall business, i.e., add something that we can't otherwise do on our own.
We look at it in a similar fashion. Are we afraid to do M&A in that world?
No, but the returns have to be significant, the price has to be right, and we have to see that it is additive to the whole business at the end of the day. We really don't view it any differently.
It doesn't distract, and we don't separate it out when we look at land-based M&A from any online opportunities. It's kind of all part of the same calculus.
Josh Hirsberg
John, your question's a good one because I think ultimately, most people think about our M&A just on the land-based side, and we have done a couple of smaller acquisitions around to add to the capabilities of Boyd Interactive, and I think we will continue to look for kind of bite-sized opportunities that not only add to what the offering is, but enhance, from our perspective at least, the ability for that business to grow over a longer period of time. It is a good part of our business and we could see that becoming a larger part of our business and continuing to contribute to the overall diversification and growth of the company.
I don't want people to misconstrue the comments to mean we're going to pursue the strategies that some of our peers have, because that's not how we think about it, and those strategies are good for those companies, but we do look for opportunities to grow that business further.
John DeCree
Got it. That's helpful.
Josh, Keith, I appreciate the color on that one. Thank you.
Keith Smith
Sure.
David Strow
This concludes our question and answer session. I'd now like to turn the call over to Josh for concluding remarks.
Josh Hirsberg
Thanks everyone for joining the call. All the questions were really good, even though there were a lot of them, and so we appreciate the interest and happy to follow up with you after the call if you have any further questions.
Feel free to reach out to the company.