Good afternoon, media friends, investors, and analysts. Thank you for attending CTBC Holding's 2025 Q3 earnings call.

In the first three quarters, our pre-tax net profit was 60-- 70 billion, after-tax net profit 60.8 billion, up 3.6% YoY, EPS 3.06 NT dollars, ROE 17.5%, ranking first among financial holding peers. Now let's look at our subsidiaries' profit.

Our core subsidiary CTBC Bank performed well in the core businesses in the first three quarters. It ranks number one in bank peers, and it set a historic high, and the after-tax net profit, 42.1 billion, up 16% YoY.

Overall a solid base of deposits and loans was maintained, with loans at the end of Q3 growing by 9% YoY. Fee income performed steadily, with fee income growing by more than 10% YoY in the first three quarters.

Overseas business also performed well. Pre-tax profit of the first three quarters, 17.6 billion, up 4% YoY, accounting for 34% of that of the bank.

As for our second largest engine, Taiwan Life, profit in Q3 went up significantly. After-tax net profit, 10.5 billion, and after-tax net profit of the first three quarters, 17.7 billion.

This is mainly due to rising stock markets and dividend income. It was down by 16% YoY in the first three quarters, mainly due to the depreciation of the US dollar in the first half of the year.

Taiwan Life has taken measures adopting the new FX reserve system starting in June. In July, 15.1 billion was set aside from its liability reserve to replenish the FX reserve.

As of September, the FX reserve balance was 17.6 billion in order to better cope with FX fluctuations. In addition, Taiwan Life's business momentum has rebounded, driven by growth in traditional and investment-linked policies.

FYP of the first three quarters went up by 37% YoY. This is the overall performance outlook of CTBC Holding.

Now I'd like to invite IR for a detailed report. Thank you.

Please turn to performance highlights on page 4. Holding reported net profit of 60.8 billion in the first nine months, up 4% YoY, marking a record high.

EPS was 3.06 NT dollars. Holding's ROE was 17.5%, leading peers.

CTBC Bank's net profit was 42.1 billion in the first nine months, up 16% YoY, ranked number one among peers. Bank's capitalization was solid, and asset quality remained stable.

Taiwan Life's net profit was 17.7 billion in the first nine months, declined YoY due to higher hedging cost amid depreciation of US dollar. In terms of business momentum, FYP increased 37% in the first nine months, supported by sales of investment-linked and traditional policies.

Other subsidiaries, including venture capital and securities, reported better profits QoQ, underpinned by robust capital markets performance in Q3, but weaker earnings YoY due to market volatility. Page 5, Profitability.

Holding's EPS was 3.06 NT dollars in the first nine months. Group ROE was 17.5%, and ROA was 0.9%.

Page 7, Capital Ratios. We remained well capitalized, with group CAR at 126%, and life RBC ratio at 369%.

Bank's CAR was 14.7%, and CET1 ratio was 11.2%. Page 8, Profit Breakdown by Entity.

In Q3, bank net profit reached 14.3 billion, flat QoQ. Life's net profit surged to 10.5 billion, mainly due to capital gains and dividend income.

Holding's net profit was 24.9 billion, up 56% QoQ. In the first nine months, bank net profit reached 42.1 billion, up 16% YoY, driven by strong net interest income and fee income.

Life's profit was 17.7 billion, down 16% YoY, mostly due to higher hedging cost amid US dollar depreciation. Holding's net profit was 60 point-- 60.8 billion, up 4% YoY.

Let's go to our banking business. Bank's net profit reached 42.1 billion, up 16% YoY, outperforming peers.

ROE was nearly 14%, up 93 basis points YoY. Page 11, Revenue Breakdown.

Total revenue was up 2% QoQ and 9% YoY. Net interest income was up 10% QoQ and 21% YoY, driven by increased loans and wider net interest margin.

Fee income was up 16% QoQ and 10% YoY, on sustained growth momentum in wealth management, corporate, and credit card businesses. Trading income and other revenues declined 37% QoQ due to lower income from derivatives and swaps, and fell 18% YoY, mainly driven by reduced swap income.

Next, on loan growth. Total lending with credit card revolving was up 2% QoQ and 9% YoY.

NT dollar corporate loans were down 3% QoQ, due to reduced lending to government and manufacturing sectors. Year-on-year, they were up 2%, driven by services and real estate sectors.

Mortgage was up 5% QoQ and 15% YoY, as business momentum remained stable. Unsecured and other loans increased 3% QoQ and 13% YoY.

Foreign currency loans were up 3% QoQ and 8% YoY. Next, on foreign currency loan breakdown.

Overseas subsidiaries accounted for 56% of foreign currency loans, with TSB and LH being two larger subsidiaries. Overseas branches accounted for 33%.

Overseas subsidiary loans were up 1% YoY, mainly driven by solid growth in LH and TSB. Overseas branch loans were up 13%, mainly driven by Singapore, Tokyo, New York, and Vietnam branches, all reporting double-digit growth.

OBU and DBU loans were up 40%, driven by inventory stockpiling effect ahead of tariffs, which led to higher loan demand for working capitals. Page 14, Bank Deposit Mix.

Total deposits reached 5.6 trillion, up 3% QoQ and 7% YoY. On the right, CASA accounted for 60% of NT dollar deposits.

The time deposit share of foreign currency deposit declined QoQ to 61%. Page 15, Loan-to-Deposit Ratio.

Overall LDR was 75.2%. NT dollar LDR was 85.1%.

Foreign currency LDR was 61.4%. Page 16, NIM and Spread.

In Q3, overall spread remained flat. NIM went up to 1.59%, as US dollar interbank borrowing position declined, leading to lower funding cost.

In the first nine months, NIM was 1.53%, supported by improved yield of marketable securities and lower foreign currency funding cost. Including swap income, NIM was 1.65% in the first nine months.

Page 17, Fee Breakdown. Total fees were up 16% QoQ and 10% YoY.

Wealth management fees were up 31% QoQ, as sales momentum continued to improve, underpinned by robust capital markets. In the first nine months, wealth management fees were up 9% YoY, driven by stronger sales of bancassurance and structured products.

Corporate business fees were up 9% QoQ, mostly due to higher loan-related and syndication fees in Q3, and up 20% YoY, driven by loan-related, syndication, and private banking fees. Credit card fees were flat QoQ and up 7% YoY, supported by continued growth of credit card consumption.

Page 18, Wealth Management Fee. For wealth management fee breakdown in the first nine months, the proportion of bancassurance and mutual funds and others increased, due to better sales of bancassurance and structured products.

Page 19, Cost-to-Income Ratio. Cost-to-income ratio was 50.7% in Q3, improved by 1.1% QoQ.

In the first nine months, cost-to-income ratio was 51.5%, improved YoY, driven by faster growth in operating income and contained OPEX growth. Next, on asset quality.

Asset quality remained stable, with NPL ratio at 0.48%. NPL coverage ratio was 330%.

Credit costs were 34 basis points in Q3, up 8 bps QoQ, due to higher general provisions on new loans to private corporates. Credit costs in the first nine months were 31 basis points, down 2 basis points YoY, mainly due to decreases in provisions for the retail segment.

Moving to life business. Taiwan Life reported net profit of 17.7 billion in the first nine months, down 16% YoY, mostly due to FX volatility.

ROE was 14%. Next, on premiums.

Total premiums in the first nine months were up 16% YoY, and FYPs grew 37% YoY, driven by increased sales of investment-linked and traditional policies. On the upper right-hand side, the FYP product breakdown shows that the proportion of investment-linked policies rose to 24%, while traditional policies increased to 19%.

On the lower left-hand side, regular-paid products represented 44% of FYPs, while single-paid products accounted for 32%. Foreign currency policies made up 49%, and NT dollar policies, 28%.

On the lower right-hand side, in terms of channels, the proportion of CTBC Bank increased to 40%, reflecting increased sales of investment-linked policies. Page 24, Investment Asset Mix.

Total investment assets reached 2 trillion. Taiwan Life seized market opportunities to realize gains from equities, resulting in lower holdings in equities.

In addition, Taiwan Life continued to increase holdings in bonds and funds. The allocation of other asset classes remained relatively steady.

Page 25, Investment Yield, Cost of Liability, and Breakeven Point. In the first nine months, total investment yield after hedge was 4.06%, declined YoY amid higher hedging cost.

Pre-hedging recurring yield was 3.73%, down 7 basis points YoY, mainly due to reduced bond interest income resulting from NT dollar appreciation this year. The high interest rate environment has increased costs of liabilities.

Despite this, Taiwan Life continues to deliver positive investment spread. Page 26, Hedging Mix.

On the left, 42% of overseas investment assets were foreign currency policies, 29% were fully hedged, 19% were unhedged, and the rest was OCI position. On the right, FX reserves amounted to 3.4 billion as of Q3.

Hedging costs were 1.58% in the first nine months, increased YoY, mainly due to the depreciation in the US dollar. However, in Q3, the stabilization of the US dollar, together with FX reserves offsetting, led to an improvement in hedging costs compared to the first half.

Turning now to ESG highlights. CTBC Holding's continuous efforts in ESG have led to recognition.

This year, we received the TSAA Platinum Award for Corporate Sustainability Leadership Award. Pages 28 to 30 highlight CTBC's key achievements and recognitions in sustainability performance.

The latest sustainability report and TCFD report can be accessed via the link on page 30 or by scanning the QR code to visit the IR website. That concludes the presentation.

We are now open for Q&A.

Sorry, this is CTBC Holding. In the media session, there were a few questions that I'd like to also answer here, so that you won't need to ask questions that have already been asked.

Last Friday, there was a article from the economists. It seems that Taiwan Central Bank has released some related announcements.

There were some big fluctuations in foreign exchange rates, but the market has stabilized. It's been around 31 NT dollars to 1 US dollars.

The Treasury Department of the US has reached agreements with Japan, South Korea, Thailand, Malaysia, and Switzerland before Taiwan, and these countries' foreign exchange rates didn't go up dramatically after the agreements were made. We believe that the signing of this agreement between the US and Taiwan led to many discussions in Taiwan, the positive discussions.

These are a good thing for the long-term development. There are many factors affecting foreign exchange rates: current accounts, financial accounts, and foreign capital inward and outward.

There are different factors affecting exchange rates differently. We believe that the Taiwan dollar will appreciate to roughly 30 NT dollars to 1 US dollar before the end of this year.

This is one question. As for our Uni-Open cooperation with Taiwan Uni-President group, which was launched on August 21st, upon the launching, we said that we wanted to issue 1 million cards, and it's been three months.

The progress has been great, and we've exceeded our target even. As for our overseas strategies and deployment, which we have explained, let me explain one more time.

In addition to the existing operating overseas units in Haiphong and Binh Duong in Vietnam, the offices have been approved by the local authority. By the end of this month, they will open.

As for GIFT City branch in India and our LA branch and Texas office and Sydney branch, as well as Semarang branch in Indonesia, they are expected to open in Q1 next year. As for Fukuoka office in Japan, it's passed our internal BOD, and now we are talking with the FSC.

As for Cambodia and Mumbai in India, they are also ongoing. We will continue to focus on Southeast Asia, Northeast Asia, and North America in the near future.

These are our focus development areas. As for overseas profit, I mentioned at the beginning that in the first three quarters, the overseas profit accounts for 34% of that of the bank.

If we look at regions and countries, the Greater China and Southeast Asia account for respectively 35%, Japan 18%, North America 12%. Southeast Asia and Northeast Asia, which is Japan, have performed relatively well this year.

As for insurance, later our CSO of Taiwan Life will add more to it. Another question was asked about the M&A with Mercuries Life.

It's a past event, but many media friends asked about this, let me explain this. The overall M&A process had two stages.

On August 29th, they wanted to receive non-binding offers from the willing parties. Because it's non-binding, we didn't go through BOD, we didn't make any announcement.

On October 23rd, we had to make a binding offer. The amount was tremendous.

It was important, and it might affect shareholders. We went through the BOD and we made announcement accordingly.

We didn't get the bid, the law didn't require us to make an announcement. The FSC wanted us to make an announcement before the opening of the market the next day.

On August-- sorry, on October 27th, we did make an announcement accordingly. As for Shin Kong M&A, we didn't make any announcement because the offer at that time was non-binding, there was no BOD discussion.

This is my explanation related to Mercuries Life Insurance and our announcements made. These are some of the questions asked by media friends.

Mr. Bohong Ye is going to answer questions related to life.

Many questions are about the adoptions of IFRS 17 and well, as for IFRS 17, if we use the market interest rates by the end of September, the adoption of IFRS 17 reserve, if we use this interest rates, then the amount is roughly the same. From the perspective of reserve, it doesn't have impact on the net value.

Back in July, we set aside 15 billion to replenish FX reserve. In other words, this amount, well, is based on the situation as of the end of September, then this 15 billion will have an impact in terms of reducing our net value.

When it comes to calculating the capital adequacy, FX reserve can still be considered as part of it, self-owned capital. That's this question.

As for the impact on future profit, we see that in terms of business, after IFRS 17, there won't be new business first-year loss anymore, which means that in P&L terms, there will be a better performance for life insurance. As for cost of liability level and in terms of the impact, because the interest rate curve is low on the front and high at the back, the cost of liability right now is 3.31%.

After the adoption, if everything follows the situation at the end of September, then after the adoption, it will be roughly 2.52%. The cost of liability goes down, which is a positive impact.

As for cost of hedging, now we have FX reserve already, FX fluctuations will be absorbed by the FX reserve. From the perspective of the hedging cost, this year, the cost is roughly 1.5%.

Next year, with this fixed 1.5% and with our hedging position, there will be a cost incurred. If we look at past average, the company's total hedging costs will be between 1.1% and 1.2%.

The hedging cost is relatively good. Next year, there won't be the coverage anymore.

If we sell the OCI stocks, it won't affect our P&L numbers. As for how much will be taken out from the bond AC position or stock position, will it be put under OCI or elsewhere, we are still discussing this issue.

It has to do with interest rates and the economic environment. We will only confirm this towards the end of this year.

It might be a negative impact on our P&L, but overall, if we look at all of these factors, the trend is going into a relatively positive direction. Our current evaluation is roughly the same in the sense that the balance is 120 billion.

This is the same as what we previously announced. As for ICS adoption, the new ICS is stricter, there are transitional measures.

The percentage is 360%, we can apply to achieve 125%, and depending on the CSM accumulation and the profit situation every year, the 125% level. As for whether or not there should be a submission to the parent company, well, there hasn't been any rule announced by the competent authority, we can only know this after the announcement is made.

I have a few questions for CTBC Bank. This quarter is special: the US dollar spread goes down and the NTD spread goes up.

I don't know, well, our original estimation was that rate cuts might be helpful, but it turns out to be different. The rate improvement, is it due to CASA ratio going up or due to other factors?

When we look at the US dollar spread, what will be the trend in the future? My second question, CET1 ratio in the bank, do you have a guidance now after IRB?

What will be the impact roughly? In the last earnings call, you mentioned that CTBC Bank's surplus is around the capital level.

What is the target payout ratio, because in the past four years, the average is 50% roughly? When the legal surplus is achieved a certain target, will there be a different target in the future?

As for Taiwan Life, I have many questions. Mr.

Yeh, you mentioned book value, and you said reserve is sufficient, and book value will go down by 15 billion. Is that the net impact or are there other factors?

Because the bond reclassification, if some bonds go to OCI, there will be extra negative impact. Is it a equivalent transfer?

There's no excess reserve that can be released? Ultimately, the transition impact will be net negative?

Do you have a guidance about what is the impact of book value? As for hedging cost in the first three quarters, 1.58, does it or doesn't it include the 15 billion reserve?

How do you calculate this hedging cost exactly? It seems that the negative position increases, and in this situation, do you think that when FX reserve is still relatively abundant, maybe at the end of this year or next year, some hedging accounting rules might change, the position will go up progressively over the next one to two years?

Another question, Mr. Yeh mentioned earnings under IFRS 17 pro forma change.

Your P&L, Taiwan Life, every year, do you release any morbidity and loading gain every year? If so, could you tell us roughly the numbers?

I assume that now in morbidity, loading gain it will be replaced in the future, right? ICS ratio, you target 125%, correct?

If that's the case, if that's what you assume, then 125%, there might not be any pressure, but 25% as your buffer, is it enough to face big fluctuations on the financial market?

Thank you. Let me answer the three questions related to bank.

In Q3, the US spread, US dollar spread was down by 4 points. What's the reason?

If you look at the deposit loan spread, indeed it went down. Foreign currency was down 9%, but deposit interest rate was down by only 5%.

There are several factors. Our foreign currency loans, foreign currency deposits is roughly two times as foreign currency loans, it's not necessarily negative as a result.

Second, when we have more US dollar position, we had some transfer, and the cost went down quite a lot. With these two different factors combined, our NIM was still higher by 9 points as a result.

You mentioned CET1 ratio of the bank. Next year after we apply for IRB, will it get better?

Our total target, well, when we adopt when we adopt IRB, we believe that there will be an increase of 3% of BIS ratio. Third, you mentioned legal surplus.

Currently, our book legal surplus is is 154.5 billion NT dollars. There is still roughly 16.8 billion NT dollars difference, and we believe that this year, we can replenish, we can fulfill this gap this year.

Next year when we distribute surplus, as long as next year the legal surplus plus our accumulation over the past few years, as long as it exceeds our capitalization, then the surplus can be higher than 1.5 NT dollars. Do we have a target in terms of distribution to the parent company?

We believe that it will be higher than in the previous years, but the actual situation can only be known when our budget planning and our and the economic situation are taken into consideration.

As for the net value impact, I said that the impact is a 15 billion dollars-- 15 billion, but that's excluding AC. Interest rate impact is on both assets and liabilities at the same time.

As for liabilities, after our calculation, it's roughly the same as IFRS 4, which means that our bond position, part of the position, compared to last year, the value this year will go up compared to the situation last year. How much will be taken out from AC, we haven't made the final decision yet.

As for hedging cost, 1.5%, this doesn't include the 15 billion that we set aside. As for, well, we will still look at foreign exchange rates trend and make an evaluation.

If we believe that the NT dollar will go in a negative direction, then we will still do the necessary hedging. FX reserve is bigger now, but we don't maximize, we don't minimize the hedging just because of the FX reserve going up now.

As for PL in the future, yes, the morbidity and the-- it will be replaced, the morbidity and mortality difference. If we don't-- so we either we use CSM or we use the difference.

To us, to our profit, it's roughly the same. There won't be a huge difference between these two options.

The advantage is that every year, there's some first-year loss, but in the future, there won't be that anymore because of distribution. As for ICS, whether or not it will be higher than 125%, well, according to the competent authority's examples, we see that, for example, if we in its calculation, if you go up from 125% to 130%, and over the 5 years it will go down from 130, 129, 128 every year.

We don't see a reason to to reach 130%. If you want to raise it to 125%, and your profit of that year and the CSM incurred by sales or your asset adjustment, if you just follow your existing steps, then the next year, the calculation base will still be 125%.

If you achieve what you have promised, you can continue to to maintain 125% despite market negative market factors. If that's the perspective that we see things from, then we don't see a reason why we need to set a number higher than 125%.

If it's higher than 125% and if you don't achieve that level, then the extent of impact in the following years will be larger. This is why now we use 125% as our application target.

I want to follow up. Mr.

Yeh, based on what you said, the CSM amortization basically will be neutralized with mobility release, which means that we see the pro forma benefits, which is cost of liability going down, and also there's no first-year loss, which is a positive thing. Can we understand it that way?

Yes. Thank you.

Hello, managers. Thank you for accepting my questions.

I have a few questions. First, I want to follow up on NIM.

In the first three quarters, the adjusted NIM is 1.65. It seems that the full year will be higher than 1.63 to 1.66, how do you look at the fourth quarter and next year?

Will NIM have a chance to go higher than your full-year target? As for fee income, it seems that bond and insurance have done well, but mutual fund is relatively weak.

What might be the reasons? When you look at Q4 and next year, is it still the same trend?

My third question, in terms of bank investment, you have more FVTPL going down, moving towards OCI this year. What are your investment strategies and the considerations behind?

As for Taiwan Life, I want to ask you, if hedging cost next year is 1.1% to 1.2%, I remember that your guidance in the past was 1% roughly. When the hedging cost goes up, what are the main reasons?

Because now we are still in a rate cut cycle, then why do you believe that the hedging cost will be higher than the previous guidance? Thank you.

To answer the questions related to NIM, in Q3, NIM with swap was 1.667, and the Q4 situation we believe will be roughly around this number, and there is only one quarter left, it won't have a huge impact on the full year. Our full-year estimation is still the same, between 1.63 and 1.66, maybe more towards 1.66.

As for next year, we are still conducting relevant plans, next time we will report the result to you. As for retail wealth management, we see the momentum of mutual fund is weaker this year.

As for structured notes and insurance, the momentum is good. Mutual funds are more related to the market.

In the first half of this year, especially in Q2, stock markets fluctuated more, customers were less willing to buy mutual funds as a result. Our team uses different products flexibly, mutual funds went down, but structured notes sales grew quite significantly.

As for PL to OCI position, do you mean stocks? If we look at the overall bank and CTL, from the beginning of this year to now, it went down by 40%, and OCI went up by 100.

What was the reason behind? The OCI stocks also increased.

For the stock increase, previously, CTBC Bank's stock position was not big, and now we've found a better team, we've invested more in stocks, but compared to our peers, the total is 24 to 25 billion as our position only.

When it comes to trading, stock fluctuations may impact our income statements. For the relevant business units, this is why they decided to put them under OCI.

As for the hedging cost in Taiwan Life, there are many factors: the cost of hedging tools on the market at the time and also foreign exchange rates, among others. According to our current estimation, it's between 1.1% and 1.2%.

The future foreign exchange rates will be absorbed to a certain extent by the FX reserve, and there are two types of costs. First, for unhedged position, we will have to put forward a 1.5%.

In the old FX reserve rule, it was only 0.72%. Now we adopt the new FX reserve system and we also have the 15 billion FX reserve.

Now, for unhedged position, we adopt the new percentage of 1.5%. The second cost is cost of tool.

We have to have this cost of tools. It's based on the market, the cost of the tools on the market, and it's roughly 2.5%.

The average between 1.5% and 2.5% is 2%. We have some positions that don't need to be hedged, the US policies.

The result will be 1.1% to 1.2%. In Q3, it was roughly 1.14% in the third quarter this year.

Thank you.

Thank you for the opportunity. I have some follow-up questions for Taiwan Life.

The situation on the day of the adoption, you said that it will be roughly the same. The impact, is it neutral?

As for the transfer of bonds to OCI, I'm not sure if I understood it correctly. It sounds like a positive impact.

The long-term interest rates are still over 4%, isn't the impact more negative? The overall impact will be higher or lower than 15 billion?

As for DLR, it goes down at the holding level, could you elaborate on that? Do you have a target within the next year to lower it further to leave some room for future M&A?

Also, the adoption of the new rules will also have some pressure on the DLR. In Q3 this year, Taiwan Life had a lot of traditional policies sold.

What are the reasons behind? Do you have some different strategies compared to the past?

Thank you.

First to answer the questions about DLR. In September, it was 123.5%.

In October, it went down to 122.78%. It's first due to our profit and second, OCI stocks and bonds mark-to-market went up, the net value went up as a result.

In the future, do we take any measures to lower the DLR?

We don't say that without any particular incidents, currently we don't have the intention to increase the capital. The DLR will go down because of the attribution to parent, or we make more money, or the dividend payout goes down.

It depends on the balancing between these different factors. We believe that DLR is still under our expectations.

As for Taiwan Life, first, reserve. IFRS 17 reserve, it's a liability in which includes CSM, because at the beginning, CSM is a liability item.

Before and after the transfer, the liability amounts are roughly the same. What I mean by that is that there's CSM included in it.

Moving out of AC, will it have a negative impact?

If the moving-out ratio is high, then the impact on the net value is also high. We are deciding which level of negative impact is tolerable.

This is something that we have to make a decision about. This is why currently we cannot yet tell you how much position we will move out from AC.

We consider several things. We don't move out a lot so that our net value goes down dramatically.

We probably will not do that. Third, for traditional policies, in Q3, the sales of traditional policies were better.

I think the sales of both traditional and investment-linked policies were both good, and the sales were mainly from USD policies. In terms of the third quarter, well, in Q2, there were some new products launched.

This is why the growth was better in Q3. As for how different channels have different promotions, well, different promotions from different channels may also have an impact.

Otherwise, there should be nothing particularly special. Thank you.

Hello, managers. I have a question for bank.

In Q3, overseas NPL ratio went up. What's the reason?

Now for the full year, is it going to be between 25% and 30% or higher than in Q3? My second question is for Taiwan Life.

In Q3, the unrealized stocks and bonds numbers, could you give us that numbers? Mr.

Yeh, you mentioned 120 billion on the adoption date next year. What's the CSM level in the three quarters?

Can the number mentioned only be achieved next June? Next year, upon dividend payout, the bank can still not attribute that much to the holding level?

If that's the case, next year, the payout ratio can still be as high as 60%? Okay.

In terms of dividend payout, we looked at the law. Next year when we distribute surplus, the law can be applied as long as certain conditions are met.

We looked at the law. Will the payout be still 60% as in the past few years?

In principle, the answer is yes.

As for the unrealized part, well, for fixed income, it's around 10 billion. For stocks, it's 14 billion.

CSM, 120 billion, and the amortization rate is 7% to 8% roughly. Our CSM now is 8 to 9 billion roughly.

Let me explain a bit further here. We all look at CSM.

Investment-linked policies, if they are annuity policies, they follow IFRS 15, not 17. This is something a bit troublesome.

If we sell many annuity products, then the CSM will be zero. CSM is not everything.

There are different IFRS systems to follow, 15 and 17. For investment annuity policies, they will still contribute to our profit.

Hello. There was a question about NPL and credit cost issues.

In Q3, compared to the second quarter, NPL went up by 631 million. The big ones are the Filipino TS Bank, and in Tokyo, and LH in Thailand.

The increase was 200 million. It's not isolated cases.

The reason is because our loans went up more this year. The loan position went up more this year.

In Taiwan, there are five different levels of classifications according to the government. We have to put forward at least 1% according to this rule.

From January to September, there was an increase of 300 billion, the credit cost went up as a result. The NII every month came in afterwards.

When there's a big loan position increase, the credit cost goes up as a result.

To add to the question from Citi, in terms of trading and OCI positions, you said 100 billion, I misheard that number. Our PL position decrease mostly comes from commercial papers and time deposits, these are transfer behaviors.

We put shorter day terms onto longer day terms, this is what we do.