Executives
Isabelle Adjahi - Vice President, Investor Relations and Corporate Communications Pierre Shoiry - President and CEO Alexandre L’Heureux - CFO
Analysts
Mona Nazir - Laurentian Bank. Benoît Poirier - Desjardins Capital Jacob Bout - CIBC Sara O'Brien - RBC Capita Markets Frederic Bastien - Raymond James Bert Powell - BMO Capital Markets Michael Tupholme - TD Securities Maxim Sytchev - Dundee Capital Markets Chris Murray - AltaCorp
Operator
Bonjour Mesdames et messieurs. Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen.
Welcome to the WSP’s Fourth Quarter 2015 Results Conference Call. I would now like to turn the meeting over to Isabelle Adjahi, Vice President, Investor Relations and Corporate Communications.
Please go ahead, Ms. Adjahi.
Isabelle Adjahi
Thank you and good afternoon, everyone. I first want to thank you for taking the time to join today’s call.
During this call we will be discussing the news release today as well as our Q4 and fiscal 2015 performance. We will follow this by a Q&A session.
Joining me today are Pierre Shoiry, our President and CEO; and Alexandre L’Heureux, our CFO. Please note that we will be recording the call and we will make it available on our website tomorrow.
Before I turn things over to Pierre, I just want to mention that we may be making some forward-looking statements and that actual results could be different from those expressed or implied. And we disclaim any intent to update or revise any of these overlooking statements.
Pierre?
Pierre Shoiry
Well thank you Isabelle and good afternoon everyone, and welcome to this conference call. Before we discuss our financial and operational performance I would like to take a few minutes to discuss the announcement we made this morning about the implementation of our senior management succession plan.
As part of this plan, I will transition to the role of Vice Chairman, while Alexandre L’Heureux, our CFO will be promoted to the position of President and CEO. We will immediately begin the search for a new CFO and the transition will be effective once he or she is recruited and Paul Dollin, who has been our COO for over two years, will continue in the same role.
As Vice Chairman, I will provide support to the board and I intend to focus my efforts with the COO and the management team in respect to acquisition activities and other strategic opportunities and initiatives. I have been COO for over 20 years and WSP has been listed on the TSX for 10 years with a strong team of managers around the world we have built a global market leading consultancy headquartered in Canada which has grown from 1,800 employees with a $176 million in revenues at the time of the IPO in 2006 to 3,400 employees and $6 billion of revenues today.
For me it is important, as important to prepare a proper succession and building a company and therefore I believe it is the right time to proceed with our success plan as not only do we have a strong company, a clear strategy and a good outlook for our industry, but also a solid next generation of leaders in place. They have the credentials to continue on the delivery of our strategic plan and lead our markets worldwide.
I think that the current dynamics in our industry and continued consolidation will lead to more M&A opportunities which I intend to devote time and energy to. And WSP’s CFO since 2010 Alex has worked closely with me.
His experience, his market and industry knowledge and leadership style make him the right COO for WSP. He is actively contributed to developing and executing on WSP’s strategic plan and delivering our operational and financial strategy.
I am pleased with his nomination and I would like to thank our anchor investors CPPIB and CPBQ [ph] for their continued support for WSP and particularly their succession plan. Lets now come back to our operational and financial performance.
I am pleased to report that we reached all of our 2015 key objectives with the exception of tax. We had to face a significant drop in the oil and gas sector and continued weakness in the mining sector which impacted several of our regional markets, such as Canada, Australia and the Middle East.
But despite these headwinds we delivered strong organic growth globally and results overall. We also executed on our strategy by improving our underlying operating margins since the acquisition of Parsons Brinckerhoff as well as enhancing our technical expertise and geographic reach with the addition of Faveo, FLK and Vicicom in the Nordics, Halvorson in the USA and Levelton, SPL and MMM in Canada.
These seven acquisitions which generated combined annual net revenues of more than $400 million further strengthened our presence across the world as we strive to become a top tier player in every market and every sector where we operate. Year-over-year we almost doubled the size of the firm with revenues and net revenues of $6 million and $4.5 billion respectively.
I am pleased with the continued progress of our integration activities and the increased collaboration and knowledge sharing of our people across the world. We are driving best practices and putting important efforts around the communication tools and benchmarking activities which provide our operation worldwide with comparative data and the creation of a winning culture within the firm.
We measure our success on the technical recognition of our people and our ability to generate recurring revenue from our existing clients and work on some of the most challenging and innovative projects in the world. 2015 was a remarkable year in this respect.
And a few examples, we were named engineer of the year by the international tunneling association for our work on the Eurasia Tunnel project in Turkey, best services engineer for the second year in a row by the top 100 Global Architects in their annual world architecture 100 survey. We also received a sustainability initiative of the year award at the Middle East Construction awards.
I could go on with a multitude of other corporate recognitions and individual awards that reflect the technical excellence of our team. This is the main reason for our success and I thank our 3,400 employees for engagement and effort.
At any point in time, they work on more than 50,000 live projects of various sizes and technical complexicity and their client care trusted relationships and management skills have enabled us to deliver on our growth and operating margin objectives. Moving now to our regional sector review.
All our regions within the exception of Canada and APAC grew organically during the fourth quarter. In 2015, Canada represented 18% of our total net revenues.
Net revenues in this region increased 23% -- 23.4% for the quarter and 16.9% for the year mainly as a result of acquisitions. Organic growth was negative this quarter at 14.1% and at 9% for the full year.
But excluding the contraction experienced by our Western Canadian operations notably related to the oil and gas sectors organic growth stood at 3.5% for the quarter and 4.6% for the year. Quebec and Ontario continued their recovery trend and posted combined organic growth of approximately 11% for the quarter.
The fourth quarter acquisition of MMM solidified our position across Canada and we are now 8,300 employees with a strong leadership in all of our market segments and in every province. This transaction has provided the opportunity to structure our operations nationally by business line thus providing an organization that enables better collaboration, knowledge sharing and efficiency.
Moving to the USA and South America. Approximately 30% of our net revenues came from the Americas in 2015 and this was helped by foreign exchange tailwinds.
Net revenues in this region increased 85.4% this quarter and 258.9% for the year mainly due to the Parsons Brinckerhoff acquisition. Organic growth on a constant currency basis was a solid 6.2% for the quarter and amounted to 5.9% for the year mainly driven by our transportation and infrastructure as well as our property and building sectors which accounted for over 90% of our net revenues both quarterly and for the full year.
In December 2015, the U.S. government passed the FAST ACT which authorized $305 billion in funding for federal surface transportation program for fiscal 2016 to 2020.
The passing of this bill ended a long period of flat federal funding and provides for a growth at a rate of 3.2% from 2015 to 2020 which should positively impact our U.S. transportation operations for the foreseeable future.
Turning to EMEA, this region generated 37.5% of our net revenues in 2015. Net revenues increased 35.6% in Q4 and 55% for the year and here again organic growth was strong.
On a constant currency basis, it amounted to 9% for the quarter and was 10.7% for the full year. Sweden and the U.K.
had a particularly strong performance and respectively posted a 13% and 6.7% organic growth in net revenues. We are pleased to have successfully divested our minority stakes in multi consult and link architects in 2015 for net proceeds of $93 million and partially redeployed that capital in the acquisition of Faveo, Vicicom and FLK contributing to the expedition of over 300 people in the Nordics.
With over 3,200 employees in this region, we are now a leading player. In the Middle East, economic headwinds impacted our growth in the latter half of 2015.
The significant decline in crude oil prices and the political and stability in the region have created a wait and see approach resulting in many projects being delayed or cancelled. We also took one time provisions related to a few underperforming projects.
Our South African operations delivered on plan as has been our Central Europe countries mainly France, Germany and Poland. Finally, the last region the Asia Pacific region which represented 14.3% of 2015 net revenues, the net revenues increased 43% and 223% for the quarter and the year respectively.
Obviously acquisitions accounted for the bulk of the total growth and this region experienced the 5.4% organic contraction for the quarter. This is a direct result of the economic slowdown experienced in China, Hong Kong and Singapore as well as the winding down of a major resource project based in Australia.
However for the year, APAC’s organic growth and net revenues on a constant currency basis was positive at 3.6%. Let me now take a minute to provide an update on the Parsons Brinckerhoff integration.
I am pleased to report that we have met or exceeded all of the objectives that we have established when proceeding with its combination at the end of 2014. First of all we significantly enhanced our technical skills and transportation buildings and tower and generated numerous refugee synergies.
Second, we strengthened our position in all of our operating regions. We also delivered call synergies of U.S.$ 32 million in 2015 and anticipate additional cost synergies of about U.S.
$18 million in 2016 which will translate into annual recurring savings of the same amount. Fourthly, we improved operating margin in most of the Legacy Parsons Brinckerhoff regions specifically in the U.S., U.K.
and Australia and we intend to pursue these efforts in 2016. We delivered EPS accretion and we are able to maintain our debt to EBITDA ratio within our one set at 1.5 to 2 times target range.
But most of all we are pleased with the collaborative culture of the Parsons Brinckerhoff people and the alignment of our value that enabled us to take the best of both firms and build a stronger and better organization. As with the 2012 WSP transaction, the acquisition of Parsons Brinckerhoff enabled us to move ahead on our objective to become the world’s best global pure-play engineering services firm.
Alex will now review our fiscal 2015 financial results and our 2016 outlook and guidance. Alex.
Alexandre L’Heureux
Good afternoon everyone and thank you Pierre. I am humbled and honoured to have the opportunity to lead WSP in the next phase of its evolution.
On behalf of our shareholders and employees worldwide I would like to thank Pierre for his stewardship and for guiding us successfully through a period of significant growth for the organization. On a personal note, I am pleased that Pierre will continue as Vice Chairman to help facilitate the upcoming transition and support me and the team in our acquisition strategy.
I’ll look forward to transitioning to the CEO role and I’m confident about the future prospect of WSP in the coming years. I’ll look forward to working with the entire team and pursuing our dream as I strongly believe in the strength of our organization and the future of our industry.
We have a great mission, we have a great vision and above all we have great values. We have a clear strategy and a successful business model and I intend to remain true to our entrepreneurial culture.
Last year, we rolled out our 2018 ambitions for the company around four distinct pillar being our people, our clients, our operational excellence and our expertise. In 2015, we progressed this strategy with good financial results, integration of Parsons Brinckerhoff, the acquisition of MMM and Faveo as well as five other smaller strategic acquisitions which resulted in the addition of 3000 new employees from acquisition.
Furthermore, we invested in a number of organic growth initiatives that will allow us to leverage the combined strengths of the various companies we have acquired. It is my intention to keep a similar momentum going into 2016 and 2017 and it will be my immediate focus.
As we execute on our strategy I will have the opportunity to update you on our results and ambitions. Lets come back to our Q4 and 2015 performance before discussing our 2016 outlook.
For the quarter our revenues and net revenues stood at $1.7 billion and $1.2 billion up 43.3% and 45.3% respectively mainly as a result of acquisitions. Global organic growth and net revenues came in at 0.8% on a constant currency basis.
Excluding the anticipated contraction experienced by the Western Canadian oil and gas sector, global organic growth would have stood at 5.3%. For the full year, revenues and net revenues were $6.1 billion and $4.5 billion up 108.9% and 90.9% respectively.
Global organic growth and net revenues stood at a solid 3.2% of constant currency basis excluding the anticipated contraction experienced by the Western Canadian oil and gas sector global organic growth stood at 7.8%. Adjusted EBITDA was $124 million for the quarter and $441.5 million for the year, up $33.9 million or 37.6% and $188 million or 72.7% respectively.
Adjusted EBTIDA margin stood at 9.9% for the quarter and 9.8% for the year. Adjusted EBITDA margin was lower compared to prior year both for the quarter and full year due to an unfavorable project mix stemming from our Canadian operating segment.
As indicated in the past, the geomatics in oil and gas which have been declining have historically generated higher margin profile. This is also due to the higher group cost resulting in part from the acquisition of Parsons Brinckerhoff in Q4 2014.
Adjusted EBITDA margin before group cost remained steady year-over-year coming in at 11.8%. Anticipated improvements in Legacy Parsons Brinckerhoff margins in the U.S., U.K., and Australia as a result of their integration was offset by the aforementioned lower margins generated from our Canadian operating segments.
For the quarter, margins in the Americas were particularly strong at 17.6% mainly because of the solid underlying performance of the operation which accounted for approximately two third of the margin improvement, the remainder mainly being related to Legacy, WSP, R&D tax credit related to prior years. Our effective and compact [ph] rate for the year was 27.6% above our 25% target.
As you recall at the end of Q3, our year-to-date tax rate was abnormally low at approximately 17% because of a significant non taxable gain related to the sale of multi consortium. To get to a full year effective tax rate of 25% we were anticipating an increase in tax expenses in Q4.
The increase in the effective tax rate from 25% to 27.6% was mainly due to a non recoverable time services incurred for a specific project in the Middle East for which no taxable benefit was recognized. We cannot disclose specific amounts for this project as we are in ongoing negotiations.
Adjusted for normalized tax rate of approximately 25% to 27.6% our Q4 adjusted EPS would have amounted to $0.55 to $0.57 compared to a reported adjusted EPS of $0.33 per share for the quarter. For the year, our adjusted net earnings were $172.8 million or $1.87 per share up 46.4% and 1.6% respectively.
Net earnings attributable to shareholders came in at $14.7 million or $0.15 per share for the quarter compared to a loss of $7.9 million or $0.10 per share for Q4, 2014. For the year, net earnings attributable to share holders were $188.8 million or $3.05 per share up 200.6% or 109.2% respectively.
Our backlog reached a record high that stood up $5.2 billion representing approximately 9.6 months of revenues up $308.1 million or 6.3% compared to Q3, 2015 and up $1.3 billion or 32.1% compared to Q4, 2014. On a constant currency basis, backlog organic growth was 9.4% year-over-year.
For fiscal 2015, funds from operations and free cash flow were $321.1 million and $197.0 million, up 139.3% and 9.1%, respectively. For the year, free cash flow stood at 104.5% of net earnings.
Our DSO stood at 76 days, an 11 day improvement compared to the prior quarter and a 1 day improvement compared to Q4 2014. Our net debt to adjusted EBITDA ratio at 1.8 times for the full year incorporating full 12 month adjusted EBITDA for all acquisitions, the ratio was at 1.7 times.
Anticipated integration cost and matching synergies savings related to the Parsons Brinckerhoff are now estimated at approximately $50 million compared to a previous estimate of U.S. $40 million at the end of Q3, 2015.
Finally, we declared a dividend of $0.375 [ph] per share to shareholders on record as of December 31, 2015 which was paid on January 16, 2016. With a 50.7% dividend reinvestment plan participation the cash outlay was $11.3 million.
I’d like to emphasize again that our commitment to continue to pay quarterly dividend should not in any way impact our plan growth strategy for either an organic or an acquisition standpoint of view. Our focus would continue to be on investing in growth sectors and regions that will promote organic growth and sustain our market leading position.
We remain highly focused on potential M&A opportunities. Before we open the lines for question, I’d like to take a few moments to provide our outlook for the 2016 fiscal year which is aimed at assisting analysts and shareholders in formulating their own assumption on our performance.
For the year we anticipate net revenue on a constant currency organic growth in the flat to 3% range. We expect contraction in the first quarter of 2016 and modest growth mainly in the latter half of 2016.
In the U.S., the U.K. and Sweden are expected to mitigate the anticipated negative to flat organic growth in net revenues from our Western Canadian operation, Middle East and Australian region which represent less than 20% of our net revenues in 2015.
Talking specifically about Canada, although the government had recently launched an infrastructure based stimulus plan, we do not expect any significant financial impact from these measure before early in 2017. The following number summarized our key target for the coming year as of today March 15, 2016.
We anticipate net revenues to be in $4.6 billion to $5.1 billion and an adjusted EBITDA to be in between $465 million to $550 million range. As in the past our adjusted EBITDA subject seasonality, quality adjusted EBITDA will therefore range from 18% to 33% of the total annual adjusted EBITDA.
As you can see the contribution of the first quarter will be lower this year compared to 2015 due to the timing of 2016 statutory holidays which will translates in Q1 having two less available days than the same quarter last year. On the other hand Q3 which is usually – which usually represent the largest proportion of our total adjusted EBITDA should have a higher contribution this year.
Based on these net revenues and adjusted EBITDA outlook our adjusted EBITDA margin should be above 10% in 2016. Turning to tax, our effective tax rate should be between 26% and 28%, the slight increase as compared to 2016 is mostly due to the anticipated different geographical breakdown of our income.
DSO should range in the 80 to 85 days range, the increase compared to 2015 is mainly due to the expected economic slowdown in the Asia Pacific and Middle East regions. We also expect amortization of intangible assets related to acquisition to be between $75 million and $80 million, while capital expenditures should range from $115 million to $125 million, representing approximately 2.4% of net revenue.
The CapEx increased compared to 2015 is mainly due to additional integration opportunities and initiatives anticipated and real estate and information technologies. As we continue to pay down our debt we expect net debt to adjusted EBITDA to decrease and be within our 1.5 times, 2 times a target range.
Last, we anticipate spending between $15 million to $25 million acquisition and reorganization cost to support integration of MM and continued real estate optimization pertaining to past acquisitions. Please note that the outlook just provided has been prepared assuming foreign exchange rate as of today March 15.
Also we have not considered any dispositions, mergers, business combinations and other transactions that may occur after today’s date. In conclusion we continue to believe in the strength of our business model based on technical excellence as well as geographical and sector diversification.
We’re confident that this will help us sustain growth in spite the volatility in the economy and low commodity prices which are putting pressure on the outlook in some of our regions. Going forward we will remain focus on driving global organic growth and improving margins, leveraging our global know-how and winning work or pursuing a long term growth strategy.
At this point, we will go to Q&A. Operator?
Operator
[Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from the line of Mona Nazir of Laurentian Bank. Go ahead.
Your line is open.
Mona Nazir
Good afternoon.
Pierre Shoiry
Good afternoon, Mona.
Mona Nazir
Before I know you just touched on the guidance, but just for my sake I just wanted to make sure that the uptick you’re expecting in the back half of the year for organic growth does not assume any significant change in the current landscape, so whether it would be an improvement in the oil price or as you said, increased infrastructure spend in Canada. Is that correct?
Pierre Shoiry
Mona, that’s correct.
Mona Nazir
Okay. Perfect.
I’m just turning to the integration of Parsons, you treat up your expected synergies once again stands at US$50 million was 40 million last quarter and before than 25 million. Just wondering if you could touch on where the savings are coming from and then on that if you could speak a little bit about the revenue synergies and cross-selling opportunities that you’re seeing especially on the back of some longer term spending budgets in the U.S.?
Alexandre L’Heureux
Mona, we clearly we have a focus with PB integration as well as with all of our driven other integrations. When we do transaction like that, the main focus is really on revenue synergies and I must say that we certainly seen some remarkable results to this years, its hard to put a figure on it, but we’re seeing a good revenue synergies in most of the countries where we had a combination as would we do it all the acquisitions that we complete.
On the cost synergy side, it’s a continued – you know when we did a transaction we had our best estimate at the time, that was 25, but as we integrate and continue we always looking for improvements and as I said sharing best practices and opportunities and I think lot of them are going to be coming in 2016 on the real estate side as a continued combinations. And as we said in the past, just giving an example, just on the real estate this year we’re talking about a couple of hundred thousand square feet of space in 28 locations, so this is obviously – these come as leases expire, as we get the business together.
So it’s a continued process and we’re very pleased that we’re able to -- because this transaction was a cost synergy rational, so these are just added benefits to what it was already a great transaction.
Mona Nazir
And then just lastly from me, you made about 400 million in acquisition this year, MMM Faveo and some tuck-ins, still less – a little bit less than a 1 billion can make according to your strategy plan. Industry consolidation remained very strong this year, I’m just wondering your thoughts on the types of acquisitions you are looking to, could it be another large transformational purchase, any verticals and just given the current environment do you see more willingness for parties to have more open discussions and come to the table and maybe purchase price multiples, if you could comment on that?
Thank you.
Alexandre L’Heureux
I believe, well, certainly I’m going to have more time to concentrate on the M&A piece and clearly which should translate into obviously some continued growth on the acquisition side. Our strategy is based on – we have very different verticals, so we have the tuck-in add on acquisitions in existing geographies which are really affirms their complement or local strategy in the various markets.
And as an example, last year in Canada, with the additions of SPL and Levelton, they were fully focused on developing our environmental platform across Canada. So we have continued – we have a pretty effective platform with our global network.
So yes, we are a good home for several of these smaller midsize companies, but we’ll also remain very opportunistic if the right transformational or larger acquisition comes around. And you have to remember that M&A, we were very disciplined.
We have a very solid approach. We look at numerous opportunities, but we do the once that are right for the company.
And I think we’re in a position right now where we can be very selective on the transaction that we want to do. And once we find the right fit we try to get it done.
So, I do see continued consolidation, Mona in the next few years and I believe we may also see some more important transactions in 2016 and beyond. So, we’re going to be – we’re going to remain an active participant.
Its one of the pillars of our strategy and I’d say, the end markets which we’re focused on, continue to be focus on a core leading markets which are transportation and buildings where we have a market leadership worldwide and we must maintain this position in all our geographies, but certainly at the water environmental sectors are as described in our strategy, it document, those are areas of growth for us.
Mona Nazir
Thank you.
Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Benoît Poirier from Desjardins Capital Markets. Your line is open.
Benoît Poirier
Yes. Good afternoon.
Just back on the previous question about the synergies on PB, now that you’re talking about $50 million, I was just wondering how much could be realize in 2016 and whether its part of the 15 million, 25 million of acquisition and reorganization cost?
Alexandre L’Heureux
On an annualized basis Benoît, US$18 million, but on an annually basis I assuming that this would be done in January 1st, which is obviously not going to be the case.
Benoît Poirier
Okay. Perfect.
And just for the revenue growth in Asia in 2016, can you give us additional color on why you see a recovery in the second half and what are based on hope of better market condition or based on the current backlog?
Pierre Shoiry
It’s not based on hope. I think you can forecast on hope.
We don’t – we’re not in the market world. This is based on data that we have are project mix and also our sign backlog.
We have seen a – we do lot of private sector work in Southeast Asia and we saw a small contraction in the fourth quarter, but right now we feel confident that this was certainly what we’re seeing now is temporary slowdown and we’re seeing – I won’t say a very sharp increase in activity, but we’re seeing some stability now and we’re also based on the project mix forecasting to have a relatively strong positive year in that market.
Benoît Poirier
Okay. Perfect.
And just in terms of the EBITDA margin for region for 2016, could you maybe discuss about the region, the parts that most promising in terms of margin improvement and the one that will be pressured in most for 2016 as opposed to 2015?
Pierre Shoiry
I’ll just make a comment and Alex can complete, when we did the PB transaction if you remember, a certain geographies particularly Australia, Australia was actually the PB activities were flat to negative in terms of profitability. And in the U.K.
the margin profile was quite low. So, we saw those two regions as the best areas for growth.
And we’re quite pleased, because in 2015 we were able to turnaround by 2%, 3% and margins in both of those countries. So, I’d say that’s where we see more continued improvement.
So overall I’d say those are probably two regions where we could benefit from some increased margin – operating margin performance.
Benoît Poirier
Okay. And last question just in terms of cash development opportunities.
I know you remain committed to dividend and acquisition, but just wondering whether there is an opportunity for share buyback given the performance of the stocks so far this year?
Alexandre L’Heureux
For us Benoît we would envision share buyback and in the event that there would be no other opportunities out there. And at this point in time it’s certainly not the case.
Pierre just talked about the number of opportunities and clearly the industry consolidating and frankly right now we’re busy building a platform and not buying back from our own platform. So for the time being this will not be in the mix.
Benoît Poirier
Okay. Perfect.
Thank you very much for the time.
Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Jacob Bout from CIBC. Your line is open.
Jacob Bout
Good afternoon. Pierre, you talk a bit about your talk a bit about your decision to step down as CEO and the timing of that and maybe you can talk a bit about the process for finding your replacement.
Did you run a process here both externally and internally?
Pierre Shoiry
For me, Jacob, succession is you know a successful company needs the proper succession and I had the opportunity of becoming a CEO at quite a young age and been doing this for 21 years now and 10 years as a listed company. And we have a pretty – over these years we’ve done some good acquisitions and we’ve come across some pretty good talent and we have some good talent internally.
And when I started planning this, what’s important is that when you have a continuity in your strategy I think the success of a company realize on building succession internally. And right now we had a clear strategy which is supported by all of our regions and all of our leadership team, so clearly the process was not to go externally because we felt we had the proper people internally to continue the strategy and you want people that have develop that strategy to continue and this is why Alex was the unanimous choice and he participated in the development of this company since the last years.
He knows the industry very well. He understands the people business.
He shares the values and the culture of the company. So he was the logical choice and unanimously approved by our Board of Directors.
So the timing of this is as you know you have to – its company is in a very good place right now. We have a clear strategy.
We have a very engaged workforce. We’re leading global consultancy.
Our plan is clear. The opportunities are there.
I believe I’m going to be quite useful and continuing – I hope I’m going to be useful and continuing the growth strategy through strategic M&A activities. I want to devote all my time for that and leave the operations to Alex and the team, Paul Dollin who is going to continue as COO and we have to understand that our business today is a global business with dedicated leaders in every country, market segment leaders.
So we have a very empowered and strong leadership team. And so they just acetated with the right time to do this, and right now we’re going to be looking for a CFO to fill in Alex’s shoes and then continue on our journey.
Jacob Bout
Okay. Thank you for that.
And maybe my second question here just on your organic growth guidance. I think in your long term guidance you’ve talk about 2015, 2018 kind of 5%.
You’re not expecting that for 2016, buy maybe you can talk a little bit about what you’re thinking in some of those years in 2017, 2018, you can give any [Indiscernible] 5% and what really would be the drivers there?
Pierre Shoiry
At the end of the day I mean when we rolled out our 2018 strategy, every time I have a chance to talk about it. I like to – I mean these are 2018 ambitions.
Clearly, these are targets and objective that we have set for the organization. So really I mean that’s what we’re targeting every year, when we are going to our budgetary process, we aim at that reaching those targets and this year it will difficult to achieve this.
Frankly, we do not think achieving 5% will be in the mix, that’s why we forecasted anything between flat and 3%, but 2017 again we’ll have reassess of that time, I mean, thinks can change, market dynamics can change quite rapidly. We’ve seen it over the last 18 months, when we put this strategic ambitions together at the end of 2014, at the beginning of 2015, I mean, clearly the market dynamics were not what they are today.
And again in 2017 it can be completely different. So, we are setting targets internally for the organization and we’ll reassess in 2017 and we’ll see them.
But its way to premature to start thinking 2017 and 2018 will look like at this point in time.
Jacob Bout
Okay. Thank you very much.
Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Sara O'Brien from RBC Capita Markets. Please go ahead.
Sara O'Brien
Hi. Good afternoon.
Pierre Shoiry
Hi, Sara.
Alexandre L’Heureux
Hi, Sara.
Sara O'Brien
Just looking at the executive change again, obviously some pretty big moves here, just wondering, is there a time line in place for seeking out a new CFO, is there a process ongoing right now and is that external as well as internal?
Pierre Shoiry
There is a process that’s started today. People are funny.
Some times people ask me, why didn’t you look for CFO before? I mean, that’s a difficult to look for a strong candidate both internally or externally when this is not public and we’re not going to search for CFO, so anyway Sara, the search has started today.
And we want to make – what’s important is successful succession plan is doing it properly. And so, I think what we announce today is a proper transition whether you want to do it correctly and fast, but you don’t want to rush it, so you want to do it well and right now we have – we believe we have a great company that will attract a very interesting CFO candidates, so we expect to hopefully conclude in a shorter timeframe than longer timeframe.
Sara O'Brien
Okay. And maybe Pierre, what do your plans, I mean, you talked about focusing on M&A, will it be based in Montreal or is there some thing that’s going to be full time for you.
How do you view your role going forward?
Pierre Shoiry
We have a global company and so, last week I was in – two weeks ago I was in Europe visiting opportunities that this week I’m in Midwest U.S. next week I’m in Atlanta, no, I’m sorry, I’m on vacation, but the week after I’m in Atlanta.
So I mean, this is a – we have a global company. We have a strategy around the world.
We have opportunities around the world. I’m going to be able to dedicate all my time to support various people and leadership in our regions, in Nordics, in Europe, in Asia and in the U.S.
so I’m going to dedicate them all of my time to this now.
Sara O'Brien
Okay. And there is talk I think about Paul Dollin having a step up role in operations.
What does that mean?
Pierre Shoiry
Hi. I think a step up role is that I won’t be in-charge of operations anymore.
So, we have to fill in with Alex and probably the great operator and I think he is going to indeed have increase responsibilities with Alex in running the business. And so we’re in good hands we just reduced our average age by 30 years.
It’s a 15 years in the leadership team, so that’s good news for investors I think.
Sara O'Brien
Okay. And maybe just transitioning to that 2018 plan, the margin expectation of 11% EBITDA, can you see yourselves with that pass to get there with what you have now in your businesses or do you look to acquisitions just kind of fill that upside opportunity?
Pierre Shoiry
No. I think acquisitions is one part of the strategy and the fundamental goal that the board has ask Alex and Paul to focus on is the two first pillars, three first pillars of our strategy which is our people, our clients and our operation performance and our operational performance is organic growth and gross margin and operating margin improvement.
And that’s the best value creation for a company, best return on capital is growing organically, is an improving margin. So we have high ambitions.
We gave an outlook of 0.3% for the year, but that doesn’t mean we’re not targeting better than that, and it doesn’t mean that our plans are not for additional organic growth. So, clearly the focus of the management team will be to drive organic growth through revenue synergies and through gaining market share in the market and also improving our operating margins.
And improving our margins there are several ways to improve operating margins and we’re going to be packing all front, I mean, you can be lucky and have just better markets which will help improve, but this is not what we foresee this in the short term, we don’t see improve markets, but to the contrary we see increased competition in our market. So that means that our operating focus will be on everything that above operating margin and utilization and sharing information, collaboration complementary resource centers, so there is a lot of actions on our plan to improve margins and to grow organically.
Sara O'Brien
Okay. That’s helpful.
And just lastly from me. How would you rate the integration of Parsons bring often in terms of time line, I guess its pretty much done now or there is still a number of co-locations to go on and IT system implementation that kind of thing?
Pierre Shoiry
There is two pieces to integration. The first piece is the all the tactical stuff and that’s processing very, very well in terms of systems, in terms of real estate, as we said there’s still real estate improvements, so I’d say the tactical integration is progressing very, very well.
But the real integration is ongoing and that’s about the people. Its about sharing, building relationship in the organization, its about cross-selling opportunities, its about collaboration and knowledge sharing and that is an ongoing process, but a process that is going very well within our organization and that’s where we see the long term value of this transaction is really continuing to build on our people, and the sharing and collaborative culture that we’re building in the organization, and that’s going to be Alex’s main focus and they continue to drive that collaboration and that type culture within the organization.
Sara O'Brien
Okay, great. Good luck in your new roles for both of you.
Pierre Shoiry
Thank you.
Alexandre L’Heureux
Thank you.
Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Frederic Bastien from Raymond James. Please go ahead.
Frederic Bastien
Thank you. And yes, good luck indeed to your new respective roles.
Pierre Shoiry
Thanks Frederic
Frederic Bastien
Guys, just wondering how does a low Canadian dollar impact your appetite for acquisition, obviously it’s been bouncing around, we’ve seen a bit of a recovery, but how does that impact your – either your ability or appetite for acquisitions?
Alexandre L’Heureux
Fred, certainly you’re not completing a strategic acquisition or you don’t complement the platform, just as a result of a good currency rate. I think it has to be part of the analysis, but if we were to find the right fit, the right culture and it was meaning all the criteria with the exception of a favorable exchange rate we would very much complete the transactions.
So I think it’s having a weaker currency, if not optimal but its certainly not road block to us completing and our acquisition strategy.
Frederic Bastien
Okay. And maybe color you made on the guidance, your guidance for last year, you came in comfortably ahead of it, yes, granted there were some additional acquisitions after you provided the guidance, but this seems your guidance which you provided at the range of it is wide, I understand why it is wide, but I’m surprised is it that low.
Could you comment on that please?
Pierre Shoiry
Yes, sure. Well, I find the outlook realistic with what we know today, I mean we’re – as I said perhaps in previous calls, there are many moving parts and the macro environment right now is unstable at best, everyday we hear something new in the news and clearly talking to our leaders around the world, I mean we get from Paul [ph] what’s really happening in the regions and clearly to us the guidance that we provided is a balance view of our operations around the world.
There are certain region that more at risk. We mentioned just a few, but we mentioned like the Middle East, we mentioned Asia, Asia Pacific region.
Canada is certainly has to be included in that mix, certainly Canada is at risk this year, its still very volatile, Western Canada, the Canadian, Western Canada is very much challenging at this time. Having said all that, the flip side of all this, I mean, we have great hopes for the U.S.
operation, U.K. Nordics and few other places.
So on balance we think that we’ll do fine. We’ll have modest organic growth.
And frankly as we have and have more visibility in the coming quarters that would be probably easier for us at this point in – at that point in time to provide more clarity around our guidance. But it’s very early in the year.
And as I said before lot of volatility and even in the currency as well, I mean between the last two months and half further mean that the Canadian currency appreciated by approximately 7% against the pound and the U.S. currency, I mean, if you do the math on those two operation, I mean, which are significant to us, I mean, this is really material so its moving so much that its quite difficult to provide very specific guidance.
So what I’m proposing is to give you more – if I have more visibility in the coming quarters to fetch on this.
Frederic Bastien
Okay. Much appreciated.
Thank you.
Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Bert Powell of BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead.
Bert Powell
Thanks. I guess congratulations Alex on your appointment and here I’m sure people will continue to find you useful.
Alexandre L’Heureux
Thank you, Bert.
Bert Powell
Alex, would you update the strategy plan that the AGM this year, you have the 45,000 employees by 2018 or is that kind of thing fall to the way side and you just kind of into year by year you kind of also shipping this plan as well, so you kind of just move it year by year from now on or do you give us a new kind of excuse we think we can look like in 2020 or 2021 at some point this year?
Alexandre L’Heureux
Well, at the end of the day, Bert, I mean this plan was rolled out at the AGM less than a year ago, 10 months ago. So, I think it would be a little bit premature to be thinking about amending the plan.
I think it’s a solid plan with I would call very ambitious targets and I remember talking to some of you and traveling Canada over the last year and being told that this plan was not really ambitious. And frankly we look at the market today and we look at the volatility within the market and I find this plan to be a very solid plan.
So to answer your question, really we won’t be if we have to revisit eventually or perhaps we will, but at this point in time my attention is not to revisit the plant. We’re happy with where we are right now and it’s the right strategy.
Bert Powell
Okay. Thanks for that.
And just in terms of the non-recover book plan service cost related to the Middle East, I know you’ve said at the outset that you don’t really want to talk about dollar value. Can you just give a sense as to what the margin should be looking like in that business notwithstanding what happened this quarter, is it right to think about that business running at 10% EBITDA margin or is it competition and the market realities in that market mean you maybe is not 8.8 this quarter but its not 10.
Alexandre L’Heureux
You mean with or without.
Bert Powell
Yes, without, let’s assume that’s non-recurring?
Alexandre L’Heureux
On the normalized basis I mean clearly the Middle East is very competitive market and there’s been a significant slowdown in the last six months of 2015. So I’d say without giving too granularity around specific countries, I think the answer to your question, Bert, it would be lower than 10% at this point in time.
Bert Powell
Okay. And just last question with respect to the oil and gas in Canada, it looks like there was another kind of 500 employees out of Canada this quarter you’re factoring in MMM, are we at the bottom there at this point or is it more risk to the down side in that segment?
Alexandre L’Heureux
Yes. I think Bert on that, as we said in our last call we expect that to hopefully bottom out by Q3, so the first two quarters., if you remember last year is the first and second quarters of the years we have started to see a downturn, but we were still working on some projects, ongoing projects that now don’t exist anymore, so Q1, Q2 oil and gas will be down in Canada and hopefully by Q3 we would have bought them out, and maybe from a very low base hopefully recover in the following quarters slightly should the environment around the oil and gas sector be better.
Bert Powell
Can you just give us today on a run rate basis, what is oil and gas represent the Canadian revenue?
Pierre Shoiry
Globally it is less than 5% and in Canada I would say it is about less than – Isabelle will provide that. I'd rather not throw any numbers here.
I don’t have them.
Bert Powell
Sure that is fair enough. I will get it from Isabelle after.
Pierre Shoiry
I bet [ph] will give you them precisely.
Bert Powell
Okay, great. Thanks very much.
Pierre Shoiry
Thank you.
Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Michael Tupholme from TD Securities. Please go ahead.
Michael Tupholme
Thanks. Just wanted to clarify a couple of the organic growth outlooks for the various regions, for the APAC are you looking for flat or negative to flat organic growth for that whole region for the full year?
Pierre Shoiry
No, we are seeing some – for the full year we are seeing slight to positive growth.
Alexandre L’Heureux
Modest growth.
Michael Tupholme
Perfect, and then similarly there is a lot of good detail around the EMEA region in terms of the various sub-regions that go into making up that overall segment, but overall what are you looking for in that particular segment?
Pierre Shoiry
In EMEA?
Michael Tupholme
Yes.
Alexandre L’Heureux
Positive organic growth.
Pierre Shoiry
Positive organic growth.
Michael Tupholme
Okay, great. And then just in terms of the Canadian margins, there seem to be a lot of moving pieces there with the dynamics you talked about in your oil and gas business and then you did bring in the MMM group acquisition late in the year which – that company had fairly strong margins, so just wonder if you can help me think about the margin profile of Canada, once you sort of factor all these different moving pieces in?
Pierre Shoiry
I would say, I mean, as you said, Michael there is a lot of moving pieces. We may see margin erosion in the oil and gas sector, when you look at the trend and you look at what we have seen over the last few months, I think it would be fair to expect margin erosion in a down market as time goes by, but this conversely would be offset by the higher margin profile of MMM.
[Indiscernible] just joined us and we are working together. We are integrating the business, but at the end of the day, I mean clearly MMM is a higher margin profile.
So, that combined together I would like to think that this will offset each other. I don’t have a detailed answer on this other that clearly I wouldn’t see a significant improvement, but also I would like think as well that it won't be a significant margin erosion within Canada.
Michael Tupholme
Okay, perfect. And then just to clarify one element of that, within the oil and gas business in Canada I understand you are talking about hopefully seeing a bottom in Q3, but from a margin perspective have the margins come down in that business and are sort of at this point bumping along the bottom, or do you think there is more downside to the oil and gas margin specifically over the next few quarters compared to…?
Pierre Shoiry
Although I think David Ackert and his teams have done a stellar job managing the downturn, and I think – by the way I would like to take the opportunity to commend him and his team for the hard work in 2015. Clearly and naturally the margins, they have come down.
I mean, they have come down. Whether this is bottom, I would like to tell you I have a crystal ball, and I could answer this with certainty.
I think we are closer to the bottom undeniably. I mean clearly Michael, but it is tough for me to tell you yes, it is bottom.
We are still seeing some movement but I would like to think we are much closer to the bottom.
Alexandre L’Heureux
Okay, Michael just to respond to Bert's question on the oil and gas revenue. So oil and gas related revenue in Canada for 2015 amounted to 12% of our total revenues, net revenues and globally 3%.
So in Canada in 2016 obviously with the addition of MMM and the downturn of the oil and gas. So oil and gas revenue related revenue with be below 10% in 2016, and globally certainly below 3%.
Michael Tupholme
Okay, great. Thanks and then just a couple of more quick ones here, lot of focus right now on the infrastructure sector, which you are obviously very well positioned to be active in, you are already active there, just wondering, have you seen an increase in competition within the infrastructure sector and is that having an impact on fees in that area in Canada and the US?
Pierre Shoiry
You mean in the Canada and US.
Michael Tupholme
Yes.
Pierre Shoiry
Well, there is always, you know, we are in a competitive market. You know, we have seen this year a lot of infrastructure work, but you know, there is some work that it is qualification based.
I mean, you have to be obviously competitive in terms of your value proposal, but the size of the complexity of the projects now and you need to have the curriculum to be able to work on these projects. So right now we have a very strong leadership in highway and bridge, in airport, in rail, in transit, and a lot of the work that is being awarded, particularly you are talking about the US is under the Procurement Act in the U.S., which is, you know, mostly qualification based selection, and also on the large – you know, with the P3 projects with the major contractors and developers, they are looking for performance and technical skills and experience that not everybody has.
So there are certain barriers to entry on the larger infrastructure projects. So, it is a competitive environment, but it is – I think we are very focused on value and that is where we believe that there is we want to provide value for our services and value can be measured in various different ways than just price.
Michael Tupholme
Okay, great. And just very quickly a clarification here, Alex, the CapEx guidance of $1.15 to $1.25 is that just for additions to [Indiscernible], is that including additions to intangibles as well?
Alexandre L’Heureux
It is – I would need to come back to you. This is a very granular question Michael.
I will have to come back to on this one. I just want to make sure I give you the proper answer on this one.
Michael Tupholme
Fair enough. Thank you.
Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Maxim Sytchev of Dundee Capital Markets. Please go ahead.
Maxim Sytchev
Hi good afternoon.
Pierre Shoiry
Hi Max.
Maxim Sytchev
Just a very quick question in relation to Australia and the U.K. market for legacy PB, I guess can you maybe comment if there are any structural issues of potential closing of the gap between what those margins are in those geographies and what the rest of the business is doing, and maybe how quick we can normalize from that perspective?
Pierre Shoiry
No, there is no structural issues. I mean in both of these countries the integration of our teams is done.
We have been very well-organized and focused businesses. I think one of the – you know, in the U.K.
market the PB has very strong piece of the – part of the work was related to power, and obviously everything related to power generation in the U.K. was softer.
Hopefully we are going to see a bit more activity in the power side, I mean production and distribution and transmission. So that will improve the utilization and business.
I think we are going to see – we are seeing increased activity with revenue synergies. So that will create new opportunities for our teams.
So, and there is nothing structural about this. In Australia, PB had a very active and they are very busy in the resource sector in terms of program management and project management of large mining facilities, and this year we were expecting a slowdown in our organic growth in the first quarter, first few quarters, mainly related to the completion of a major project that we had over there.
But all in all in Australia we are entering the year pretty confidently because transportation backlog has never been better and we are seeing good opportunities in the buildings and property side. So, hopefully we will see improved margins, I’d say that the biggest opportunity for us is clearly in Australia to improve margins and generate additional business.
Maxim Sytchev
Right. Okay, now that’s very helpful.
And then maybe just a quick question on the organic growth outlook. When I look at the organic growth in backlog which is I believe it’s around 9% and obviously it’s hard to sort of impose this on your organic revenue guidance, but correct me if I’m wrong, but directionally speaking you know those two metrics should be moving roughly in the same direction, is that the same way that you look at this internally as well.
Pierre Shoiry
Listen, it’s certainly a good trend. When you backlog grows that’s certainly an encouraging trend, but you know some projects, you know it’s a project mix and also a lot of different factors that in the execution of these projects but encouragingly our backlog year-over-year is on a constant currency basis is up significantly and we’ve seen a lot of good growth of that backlog in the U.S.
particularly in the transportation side. So normally as you say a growing backlog would support organic growth, but this backlog is not distributed equally in every country and so we’ll see how things span out in the year.
Maxim Sytchev
And is it fair to say that the discounted backlog is a bit longer duration in terms of execution or you book on a given time frame in terms of when it comes into that metrics specifically?
Pierre Shoiry
Lets say that some parts of the backlog are over a year ago you know execution but with a multi year projects we tend normally to book what’s been approved and typically its lets say there is a large part of the backlog is normally where that’s going to be executed in the following 12 months.
Maxim Sytchev
Right. Okay, that’s helpful.
And last question on actually you started to speak about the U.S. I mean, are we just at the beginning of seeing the trickle down of from a surface transportation bill where do you think the momentum will actually continue to improve as the year progresses in terms of you know having incremental opportunities on the transportation side?
Pierre Shoiry
I think we’re going to see continued improvement. I think the good news about our long term funding is that when you have short term funding I think the state and local and then another funding participants will tend to focus on small projects when you have short term funding where now you have long term funding, so there is certainly the opportunity for the state of local authorities to raise capital for longer term commitments and more important projects which should benefit our organization in the U.S.
Maxim Sytchev
Okay, excellent. That’s it from me.
Thank you very much.
Operator
[Operator Instructions] Your next question comes from the line of Chris Murray from AltaCorp. Please go ahead.
Chris Murray
Thank you. Good afternoon gentlemen.
Pierre maybe a quick question, just with you joining the board, does that also imply that there’s probably a bit of a change neither the composition or the role that the board will take on moving forward?
Pierre Shoiry
No not at all. I’m moving in as Vice Chair.
Our Chairman Chris Cole is well in place and will continue his excellent as Chairman of the Company and no, it doesn’t change really the organization of the board and I’m already on the board as the CEO of the company, so it doesn’t really change and Alex now is going to join our board as the next CEO.
Chris Murray
Okay. Great, thank you.
And then Alex, just very quickly just looking at your 2016 guidance, the DSO days will be I guess two piece of this question. Is it fair to think of its similar pattern to what we saw in 2015 in terms of just quarter-over-quarter and then just thinking about you know fairly flat organic revenue growth, is it fair to think that working capital needs should be flat as well?
Alexandre L’Heureux
So to answer your first question the answer is yes, similar pattern. And to answer your second question the answer is directionally yes as well.
Chris Murray
Okay, great. Thank you very much.
Alexandre L’Heureux
Thank you, Chris.
Operator
There are no further questions at this time. I will turn the call back over to the presenters
Pierre Shoiry
Okay. Thank you everybody for this call and thank you for supporting organization.
Thank you. Bye-bye.
Operator
This concludes today’s conference call. You may now disconnect.