Executives
Isabelle Adjahi - VP, IR and Corporate Communications Alexandre L’Heureux - President and CEO Bruno Roy - CFO
Analysts
Mona Nazir - Laurentian Bank Benoit Poirier - Desjardins Capital Yuri Lynk - Canaccord Genuity Jacob Bout - CIBC Frederic Bastien - Raymond James Sara O’Brien - RBC Bert Powell - BMO Capital Markets Chris Murray - AltaCorp
Operator
[Foreign Language] Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. [Foreign Language] Welcome to WSP’s Third Quarter of 2016 Results Conference Call.
I would now like to turn the meeting over to Isabelle Adjahi, Vice President, Investor Relations and Corporate Communications. [Foreign Language] Please go ahead, Ms.
Adjahi.
Isabelle Adjahi
Thank you and good afternoon, everyone. I first want to thank you for being with us today to discuss our Q3 performance and provide an update on our strategic initiatives.
We will follow the discussion by a Q&A session. On the phone today from our Stockholm office are Alexandre L’Heureux, President and CEO and Bruno Roy, our newly appointed CFO.
So today’s call will be recorded and we will make it available on our website tomorrow. Before we start, I just wanted to mention that we will be making some forward-looking statements and that the results we will report subsequently could be different from those expressed or implied.
And we disclaim any intent to update or revise any of the forward-looking statements. Alex?
Alexandre L’Heureux
Thank you, Isabelle and good afternoon, everyone. We are pleased with the progress made in the third quarter, as we achieved overall positive organic growth in net revenues and increased our adjusted EBITDA margin, which stood at 12.4% and 10.2% for the first nine months of the year, despite a challenging environment in Canada.
We also completed strategic hires for the group and subsequent to the quarter, we announced the acquisition of Mouchel Consulting, a 2,000 people infrastructure firm in the UK, which is in line with our 2015-2018 strategic plan. Before I take the time to give you a brief overview of our performance, I'd like to start by welcoming Bruno who recently joined us as Chief Financial Officer.
As we said in our announcement, Bruno has significant financial, operational and strategic expertise in the professional services industry. He has spent the past 17 years with McKinsey & Company where he was senior partner and leader of the firm’s service to the private equity clients and Asia Pacific.
I’m confident in his ability to drive value for WSP's client, employees and shareholders. We look forward to his leadership and contribution in the future and I hope many of you will have the opportunity to meet Bruno in the coming weeks.
Perhaps, Bruno, if you would like to say a few words.
Bruno Roy
Thank you very much, Alex and good afternoon, everyone. It is a real pleasure to be with you today.
I joined WSP a week ago and I'm obviously not in a position to comment on financial results on this call. What I can say though is that I'm energized by the growth potential for the years to come.
The opportunity ahead of us is very large, our plan to capture it is sound and our teams at all levels are committed to deliver our first strategic plan. I'm delighted by the competence and collegiality of the leadership team we have in place.
I'm very excited to join the team and I look forward to meeting and interacting with many of you over the weeks to come. Let me turn it back to Alex who will continue with the call.
Alexandre L’Heureux
Thank you, Bruno. Bruno is not the only newcomer to WSP.
Earlier this month, we also appointed Robert Ouellette, as Chief Corporate Services Officer and promoted David Langlois to the position of Chief Accounting and Treasury Officer. Robert Ouellette has also significant experience in the professional services field, having worked for Accenture for 19 years.
In his newly created role, Robert will help in creating a better employee experience within our firm by implementing strategies, tying together the virtual employee experience and IT with the physical employee experience and real estate and workplace environments and the personal and aspirational experience of our employees and HR. David, whom many of you have met before, will focus on continuing to raise the bar in terms of financial reporting and treasury management.
Bruno, Robert and David have significant experience in their respective fields and I believe all these appointments together with the one I discussed on the last conference call position us for the next phase of our growth strategy. Let me congratulate them and wish them all the best in their new role.
Let's now turn to our financial performance. As I mentioned at the beginning of the call, we are pleased with our Q3 performance.
We posted consolidated organic growth on net revenue of 1.7%, in spite of negative organic growth of 11.3% in Canada. To put our results in perspective, excluding Canadian operation, the organic growth rate would have been 4.6%.
We also posted adjusted EBITDA of 147.2 million, up 21 million or 16.6% over Q3 2015. Adjusted EBITDA margin was at 12.4% for the quarter, up from 11.2% from last year.
Global corporate costs were 11.4 million for the quarter. Proactive cost containment initiatives and a favorable foreign exchange rate positively impacted this metric.
We anticipate Q4 global corporate costs to amount in the range of 10 million to 13 million for the same exact reasons. Net earnings attributable to shareholders were 63.3 million or $0.63 per share on an IFRS basis.
However, if we exclude acquisition and integration costs as well as amortization of intangible assets relating to acquisitions, adjusted net earnings amounted to 77.2 million or $0.77 per share. As we are an acquisitive company in a consolidating industry, we believe this measure to be more representative in assessing our performance against our peer group.
Our backlog amounted to 5.4 billion, representing 10.3 months of revenues. It was down 296.2 million or 5.2% compared to Q2, 2016, mainly due to the timing of contract awards and up 479.6 million or 9.8% compared to Q3, 2015.
Given the size of certain contracts and the time periods required to complete them, fluctuation do arise on a quarter to quarter basis. Turning to cash, DSOs stood at 87 days, stable compared to Q3 2015 and also in line with our expectations.
If we include adjusted EBITDA for all acquisitions completed before the end of September, our net debt to adjusted EBITDA ratio stood at 1.8 times. Following the acquisition of Mouchel completed in October, it slightly increased to 1.9 times, leaving us room to pursue our M&A strategy using our balance sheet.
Finally, we declared a dividend of 37.5 cents per share to shareholders on record as of September 30, 2016 which was paid on October 15, 2016. With the 56.8% participation, the cash outlay was 16.3 million.
Let me now review the operational performance of our regions. As mentioned earlier, results for the third quarter were in line with our expectation with aggregate organic growth and net revenue and adjusted EBITDA margin increase in spite of continued weakness in Canada.
The Americas posted strong organic growth of 8.5% and generated an adjusted EBITDA margin before global corporate cost of 17.6%, the highest amongst our reportable operating segments. The US, which is the largest country in this region posted 9% organic growth, reflecting the strength of the economy and benefiting from the positive impact of the fast act program.
We expect the strong performance continue into Q4. During the quarter, we were awarded the design work of the Pensacola Bay Bridge in Florida, a $28 million fee project which started in September.
Shortly after the end of the quarter, we were also awarded the New York City Second Avenue Subway project, a multi-year $50 million contract. Our EMEIA region as a whole posted 2.3% net revenue, organic growth and 11.4% adjusted EBITDA margin before global corporate costs.
With EMEIA, our Nordics operation posted a strong quarter, delivering 11% organic growth in net revenues. Sweden continued to be resilient and posted net revenue organic growth of 10.2%.
Our Finnish operations also had a strong performance as they have had since the beginning of the year, posting organic growth in net revenue of 21.7% for the period. Our UK operation delivered 4.1% organic growth in net revenues.
The economic conditions post-Brexit which are mainly impacting the property and building private sector this time and also particularly in the London area, have been somewhat mitigated for the time being. With the recent acquisition of Mouchel, an a pro-forma basis, the UK property and building private sector now represent less than 20% of our UK revenues and less than 3% of our 2015 total net revenues.
The Middle East, which represent approximately 4% of WSP Q3 net revenues experienced negative organic growth in net revenues of 16.5% and impacted the EMEIA region consolidated organic growth and net revenues. Difficult market conditions continued to have a negative impact on government spending, a key driver for the region.
We do not anticipate any significant improvement for the remainder of the year in the Middle East. In South Africa, the winding down of a major utility project impacted the quarters negatively and will reduce the region's growth prospects for the remainder of the year.
Other countries, including France and Germany, delivered as per expectations. We expect the EMEIA region as a whole to continue delivering positive results for the last quarter of 2016.
Let’s now turn to APAC, which posted organic growth in net revenues of 2.1% and adjusted EBITDA margin before global corporate cost of 11.3%. Our Australian operation performed very well, delivering 5.1% organic growth and 11.5% adjusted EBITDA margin before global corporate costs.
As noted in prior quarters, the Australian market and more importantly, the transportation infrastructure sector has been a positive contributor for WSP in 2016. During the quarter, we were awarded the lower South Creek delivery program, a three year $23 million infrastructure project.
In addition to the positive market momentum, the efforts made to optimize the business over the last 18 to 24 months have paid off. Our Asian operation delivered flat organic growth in net revenues in line with expectations.
We expect the APAC region as a whole to continue delivering positive result for the last quarter of 2016. Finally, our Canadian operation posted 11.3% to get native organic growth in net revenues for the quarter.
Although somewhat disappointing, we had forecasted a difficult year for Canada, mainly as a result of the downturn in the oil and gas sector, with few catalysts in 2016 that could have had a positive impact. However, a persistently stagnant Canadian economy and the slower than anticipated rollout of the federal infrastructure stimulus plan also negatively impacted the region.
Adjusted EBITDA margin before global corporate costs was 11.1%. As noted by our newly appointed Canadian CEO Hugo Blasutta during our Investor Day in September, challenging economic times in the country gave us the opportunity to revisit and optimize our Canadian operation to be ready for when the Canadian economy recovers.
This approach is similar to the successful strategy we adopted during the economic downturn in both the UK and Australia. To date, we have incurred approximately $6.1 million in workforce rightsizing and real estate footprint consolidation costs, related to the optimization of our Canadian operation.
We expect the full year impact for 2016 to be in the $10 million range. These costs are considered operational in nature and have and will therefore negatively impact Canada’s adjusted EBITDA.
We believe business optimization is an approach that will be beneficial over the long term. This should position us for future growth when the market recovers.
Supporting that expected recovery, the federal government recently confirmed in its economic update that it would invest significant amount in infrastructure and transportation in the years to come. Two sector in which we have a recognized expertise.
The addition of MMM last year positioned us a market leading firm in these sectors, which leads us to be optimistic for the future and ideally position us to leverage our P3 expertise. On a standalone basis, MMM generated positive organic growth of 4.3% so far in 2016 and adjusted EBITDA margin of 16.9% since the beginning of the year.
To conclude our financial and operational review, we are confident we have a clear strategy, supported by our geographical diverse revenue stream business model. Our variable cost structure also gives us the flexibility to quickly adjust to an ever changing global economic landscape.
We are therefore reaffirming our 2016 outlook and narrowing net revenues and adjusted EBITDA outlook ranges as follows. The net revenue range is reaffirmed and narrowed between $4.7 billion and $4.9 billion.
The adjusted EBITDA ranges reaffirm and narrow $485 million and $505 million. The negative impact of the depreciation of the British pound on adjusted EBITDA has been and will be offset by cost containment initiatives and synergies.
In addition, the Canadian business optimization and footprint consolidation initiatives will lead to slight increases in Cap Ex and acquisition and integration costs. Lastly, we are reaffirming that we will generate full year organic growth in net revenues in the flat to 3% range.
This takes me to the last point I would like to cover before opening the line for question, the M&A update. If you recall last quarter, we discussed our approach to acquisition and I indicated that we would continue to have a disciplined approach when making acquisitions, carefully looking at cultural fit and relative valuation with the objective of acquiring firms that will generate optimal benefits for clients, employees and shareholders.
The acquisition of Mouchel which we closed on October 12 met all these criteria. This transaction is also in line with our UK growth strategy to increase our presence in the UK public sector and strengthens our platform by optimally balancing our revenue stream between public and private sector clients in the UK, thus significantly minimizing the risk associated with the potential post-Brexit downturn.
It also enables us to expand our expertise in the public transportation and infrastructure sector, particularly in intelligent transportation systems in the highways, the sector which should benefit from the continued government investment in infrastructure. The timing was also ideal as we were able to benefit from a weaker British pound, which made the Mouchel transaction even more attractive.
Our UK team will now focus on integrating our new colleagues and I would like to welcome each new employee to WSP. I am confident we will see the tangible benefit of this transaction in the near future.
In conclusion, this year, we have completed six acquisitions and added approximately 2500 new professionals to our team. This fits with our two 2015-2018 growth strategy aimed at becoming a top tier player in each of the region and sectors where we operate, while strengthening our presence in industrialized countries and our activities in non-cyclical sectors.
We will continue to work hard on executing on our strategy in the years to come. With that in mind, I would now like to open the session for questions.
Operator
Your first question comes from the line of Mona Nazir with Laurentian Bank. Your line is open.
Mona Nazir
Good afternoon and thank you for taking my questions. Sorry.
Firstly, just wanted to turn to bidding costs, A competitor of yours albeit one that takes on some construction risk, stated that the results were negatively impacted by increased bidding costs on the transportation side. While your margin was very strong this quarter, I'm just wondering looking out, are you seeing anything similar in any geographic regions or verticals?
Alexandre L’Heureux
Well certainly from time to time and as part of the ordinary course of business, bidding cost is part of the game and it’s certainly Mona, something that is clearly from time to time impacting our results in certain merit period more than others and can give you an example Canada next year they'll be a lot of transportation projects out there that will be RFP and certainly this year for instance. Indeed we could expect that our margin in transportation could be somewhat impacted a little bit by this, but the volume will very likely still be the same so therefore bidding cost is certainly a variable in your margin because some pursuit can be very expensive, especially the major P3 pursuits or major design build pursuit.
So it could a factor, but in our case, we consider it ordinary course of business.
Mona Nazir
And just while we're on the subject of higher bidding costs, I'm wondering if you could comment a little bit more on your P3 side and opportunities following the MMM acquisition, it's a growing area of business. Are you allocating more resources towards alternative project delivery?
Alexandre L’Heureux
Well, it’s a supply demand dynamic, Mona. I mean, obviously if more projects will be RFP in any given time, you obviously need to allocate the appropriate resources to pursue those bids and those projects.
So clearly I think with MMM, we acquired a company that has an interim very state of the art expertise in P3. So we're very pleased with this and we're very pleased with the acquisition and certainly what we're trying to do now is to leverage MMMM’s know how across our platform.
Mona Nazir
And lastly for me before stepping back in queue, we’re starting to see the impact of increased infrastructure spending on results, you said yourself that Americas organic growth of 8% was impacted by the fast act, you've been very candid in the fact that you did not think that increased infrastructure spend in Canada would positively impact 2016 results. We saw the federal government announce some transit infrastructure spending plans in August.
I'm just wondering have you started to see any flow of funds or preliminary plans as of yet or do you still think it’s a 2017 and beyond event and could that turn your Canada business into positive organic growth territory?
Alexandre L’Heureux
There's a few questions Mona and your last question -- to answer your question about 2016, what we said in Q4 ’15 remains true in my mind. We won’t see any benefit of what was announced in ‘16.
And frankly, I doubt we'll see any of this in the first half of ’17. To me, if we see anything and will be towards the end of ’17, the benefits of this towards the end of ’17 and years to come.
Certainly let me just say that I believe it was a great decision from our government I think to stimulate the economy and infrastructure program and there's no doubt in my mind that this is well received by our industry and it's certainly I believe a great thing for the industry. But at the same time, it takes time to make sure you choose the right program and you choose the right strategy to deploy the capital.
So that's why when this was announced, I felt that it would take 12 to 18 months before we could start to feel positive momentum around this initiative.
Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Benoit Poirier with Desjardins Capital. Your line is open.
Benoit Poirier
Yes. Thank you very much and good afternoon, Alex.
If I look at the strong organic growth in Americas, 8.5%, I was just wondering how sustainable is that growth given that you were previously looking for kind of a low to mid single digit growth in the second half this year.
Alexandre L’Heureux
Well, what I just explained Benoit is that we expect a similar pattern in Q4. So we're right in the middle of our budgetary process right now.
So I'm not prepared yet to talk about ‘17. So it's a wait and see approach for me and we have to complete our bottom up budgetary process before I can provide more guidance and outlook for ’17, but certainly we are seeing positive momentum in the US on the back of last year, late last year, we were awarded good, good projects and so I do feel that this quarter was a great quarter, but what we indicated is that for the full year, we were expecting mid-single to mid-single digit growth or a bit lower than that for the full year and I think it remains to -- it's the same hypothesis that we have in mind at this point in time.
Benoit Poirier
Okay, perfect. And just looking at your backlog was down sequentially, could you provide more color about the timing of contract awards and what we should expect in Q4.
Also once we take into account the acquisition of Mouchel Consulting.
Alexandre L’Heureux
It's difficult Benoit from one quarter to the other to draw any conclusion on the trend of your backlog. I just gave an example in our US operation on October 12, I believe we were awarded the Second Avenue Subway job, which is a $15 million contract.
12 days later or 12 days after the quarter end, so there's a lot to do with timing from one quarter to the others, so that's why I tend to look at the trends over again a number of given quarters. You know it’s after one quarter to see a small dip in your backlog is not something at this point in time that would draw any conclusion.
Benoit Poirier
Okay. Perfect.
And just with respect to working capital change in the corner, I mean I'm just wondering if you have more color with respect to the free cash flow conversion for the full year and what we could expect in terms of working cap reversal in Q4.
Alexandre L’Heureux
Again, it’s timing. Q3 typically due to vacation, people tend -- professional tend to leave their invoices and the collection for after the holidays and vacation.
You know So there's always you know a bit of a depth or a slippage into our DSO during Q3, which is historically if you look back at the last five, six years, it's always been the case. But our free cash flow frankly if you look at our free cash flow and DSO this year compared to the same quarter last year and if you exclude the sale of [indiscernible] which was the sale of our Norwegian minority interest last year, we did better than Q3 2015.
So overall from a free cash flow point of view, in T3, I’m quite pleased with the results.
Benoit Poirier
Okay. Perfect.
And last one for me just in terms of global corporate costs, obviously a little bit lower because of proactive cost containment effort and also some effects, but should we expect the number to be back in the 15 million, 17 million range going forward, Alex.
Alexandre L’Heureux
Well, as I said, I'd rather not comment on our 2017 figures. We’re right in the middle of our budgetary process.
So clearly the one thing I can tell you Benoit that we’re working hard always. We have our objective, our strategic objective by the end of 18 has to get to 11% on an annual basis and therefore we always look to optimize our business and making sure that we drive operational excellence.
So I'll be providing more guidance for ’17 in Q4.
Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Yuri Lynk with Canaccord Genuity. Your line is open.
Yuri Lynk
What's changed in Canada, Alex to cause you to take further action on the cost side is it, Western Canada getting much worse or the infrastructure delays, just any additional color on what's driving the outlook there.
Alexandre L’Heureux
I guess Yuri I mean we’re reacting to the market environment. So clearly in late ’14, beginning of ’15, we saw the oil and gas sector really plummet then and everybody was wondering whether there will be a comeback on the oil and gas in the resource sector.
We were quite bearish about it in the beginning of ’16 and we didn't see any catalyst that would lead us to believe that 16 would be a good year for Canada. And as a result of that, I mean our job is really to optimize and making sure that we set the business for future success and future growth when the country recovers.
And that's we’re busy doing right now. I think our plan and we’ve talked about this at our last Investor Day really as this year to start the optimization program, which of you to while there is no growth in the country at least on a re-aggregate basis clearly and in some places, we're doing very well and I mentioned MMM, which generated and you know that the MMM business is primarily in Ontario generated a positive organic growth this year.
We're busy making sure that we optimize the business certainly in ‘16. And I've mentioned it before in ’15, we suffered the impact of the resource sector but in ‘16 really, our other end markets suffered the collateral impact of the oil and gas sector and especially in Western Canada.
So what we're doing is what we've done in the UK and what we've done in Australia is really to, while right now the country is going through a challenging period to shut the business and getting the business ready for the next phase of growth, the government has already announced a number of stimulus programs. I believe that and I mentioned it in my earlier on that clearly it’s a matter of time, but I'm cautiously optimistic about the future for Canada.
Clearly, there will be and I mentioned it earlier on to with Mona that there would be some major transportation job that will be RF in’17, so obviously we're working hard to again to make sure that the business will be ready for future growth. And that comes with adjusting for variable cost but also our fixed costs.
So consolidation of real estate is one of them, but also making sure we manage our utilization properly and we increase our margins in ’17 and be back on organic growth hopefully by ’18
Yuri Lynk
Are you still - at the Investor Day, I think it was given that you expected flattish growth in organic growth in Canada, is that still the expectation?
Alexandre L’Heureux
For ‘17
Yuri Lynk
Yeah.
Alexandre L’Heureux
Yes, I’ll be providing more guidance and outlook in Q4 when the budget reprocess is completed. But it is true that that's what we mentioned in the Investor Day that ’17 the ambition is flat organic growth with improved margin profile.
Yuri Lynk
Last one from me, Alex, just a clarification, did you mention that Q4 EBITDA margin for Canada will include some of these restructuring charges and if that's the case can you just give me the number again as I missed it.
Alexandre L’Heureux
Yeah. I did talk we’d be close to $10 million for the year.
We already incurred something in the area of $7 million or something like that. So, anything between $2 million, $3 million as part of our results would be because we don't consider them as integration cost, we consider them costs that are occurring in the ordinary course of business will be included in our results, approximation at 3 million.
Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Jacob Bout with CIBC. Your line is open.
Jacob Bout
Just wanted to go back to the optimization plan in Canada, so I'm assuming that the majority of the cuts are happening in Western Canada right now. Maybe talk a bit about what you're doing there.
And then also talk a bit about MMM, have you made any cuts there, how is that integration working?
Alexandre L’Heureux
Well, I gave few numbers, as a friendly reminder, Hugo Blasutta the ex-MMM CEO has been appointed CEO for our Canadian operation mid June. And certainly I would say that the integration of MMM has been going extremely well.
We're pleased with the progress made and I'm pleased with the leadership team that we also have in place which is a mixture of a WSP led team but also MMM team, so they have a good national leadership team in place and they're working extremely hard to - as I said before to optimize in making sure that the business is ready for future success. So that's what we were busy doing right now, Jacob, is making sure that we - cost containment is certainly importance, but also it's not just about cost, it’s about revisiting the way we do business.
Now, on the oil and gas sector right now is not ready, I don't see any sign of recovery in the short term and therefore you need to take the appropriate action to run a good business, make good profit, generate good margin and making sure that you have the proper cost structure to support the market in which we operate right now and that's what we've been doing. And I must say that Hugo so far is taking all the right actions and we are getting ready for ‘17 now.
Jacob Bout
And the 250 employees that were laid off pretty recently, was that primarily in Western Canada or…?
Alexandre L’Heureux
Yes, primarily Western Canada.
Jacob Bout
Maybe just turning the US election, just your thoughts there I mean it looks like or I think the consensus view is it, Clinton is going to come out ahead here. Your thoughts about changes here coming on the infrastructure or transportation side?
Alexandre L’Heureux
Look, I'm certainly not an expert in US politics. But what I can tell you that they have both been publicly announcing major additional infrastructure spending.
And there seems to be a bilateral support for an increased investment in infrastructure. So, right now whether it's the Democrats or the Republicans that get the House, the Senate and also the Presidency, I do feel that either the Democrats or Republicans are committed to invest and invest in the country.
And therefore like you, it’s a wait and see approach and see what will happen, nobody has a crystal ball, but I'm not overly concerned at this point in time with the US election.
Jacob Bout
Last question from me, some recent acquisitions in the UK, maybe talk a bit about what you're seeing or what you're thinking as far as Brexit impact going into ’17?
Alexandre L’Heureux
Well, right now it's been somewhat of a - I mean, clearly I mentioned it at the Investor Day, the London property market has been cooling off a little bit. Having said all that it represent a small portion of our total net revenue.
So we've been able to - have been somewhat mitigated by that. And then I doubt that the Mouchel acquisition was timely certainly I believe that part of our strategy or I’d say significant part of our UK strategy really over the next three years was to diversify our service offering and increase our exposure to public client and transportation infrastructure.
And since that we acquired WSP in 2012, when you look over the last five years, the UK business has grown from 2,000 people to north of 7,000 now. So, slowly but truly over the last five years, we've been - we have tripled the size, a bit more than the size of the UK business because we believe in this market.
But we've been doing that by really diversifying our service offering in the public sector with the acquisition of PB in ‘14. But now with Mouchel Consulting and now we have a leading position in highways and roads.
So, certainly I feel good about it.
Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Frederic Bastien with Raymond James. Your line is open.
Frederic Bastien
Alex, just to get back on the - talk about the UK a bit, the government approved the [indiscernible] nuclear projects since our last conference call as well as a third runway for the Heathrow Airport. How well is - how well positioned is WSP to secure work-related to those types of projects I would assume that it’s kind of in your sweet spot?
Alexandre L’Heureux
Well, I think we're very well positioned to answer your question. I mean, we're working right now on the LaGuardia airport.
So, we were awarded that less than 18 months ago. And I think the project is doing extremely well, so.
But it's not just about our UK presence that will allow us to bid on jobs like the ones that you've mentioned, Frederic. I think we have a global network of experts, we have centers of excellence in the United States and Canada and also in the UK when it comes to aviation and airports.
So I do feel that clearly right now, WSP is well positioned to bid on those jobs.
Frederic Bastien
And what about the nuclear power project specifically, I appreciate and understand that Parsons Brinckerhoff had very strong expertise in that particular field, but it’s been fairly quiet in the past few years, so would you care to comment on that?
Alexandre L’Heureux
We have a great brand and great expertise in the power sector. And I said we were working on one of the biggest plants right now, an energy plant in South Africa.
So indeed we do have the expertise to work on those types of jobs. But I think it's also fair to say that it's not our you know if I have to look up our service offering, I would say that we have leading positions in many, many sectors.
The nuclear sector, we have a good position and a great brand and I think we can aspire to win on those jobs. So, I think yes we'll try to do everything we can to take advantage of it if we could.
Frederic Bastien
And just wanted to get back now on your expectations for flat organic growth in Canada. How should we think about - how should we think about it on a quarterly basis obviously you're probably forecasting some negative growth in the next couple of quarters but when do you - when would you think you've reached the inflection point?
Alexandre L’Heureux
As I said we're right in the middle of our budget reprocess and I wouldn't feel good about committing my team in Canada to facing of the quarters already, I think we need to have many more discussion and really to have a good exchange with the team before I can provide more guidance around ’17 outlook. But I think it's fair to say that at the Investor Day what we said is on the aggregate, in ‘17 our ambitions was really to have a flattish year but improved margin profile.
That’s the objective for ‘17. So obviously, we are right now thinking that we will be able to hopefully we’ll be able to achieve this objective.
And also MMM will also be included as part of our organic grow starting this quarter. In the next quarter, I mean in Q4.
So obviously, also this is a positive - this is positive for us. So I’ll be providing Frederic a better outlook in Q4.
Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Sara O’Brien with RBC. Your line is open.
Sara O’Brien
Can you just a little bit more about that last comment on organic growth, do you include organic growth only one-year following the acquisition closing date?
Alexandre L’Heureux
Yes, typically it’s the case, not typically, it is the case. So for instance we closed the transaction, the MMM transaction on October 31, so we will be including two months of organic growth and actually I mistakenly said October 31, but it’s October 15, PB was 31, 2014 and MMM, October 15, 2015.
So we’ll be including two and a half months of MMM contribution in organic growth and 15 days of acquisition growth.
Sara O’Brien
And then, just as you look at EBITDA margin expansion opportunities towards that 11% plus range, where do you see the most internal leverage geographically and maybe including corporate costs and not looking for numbers but just, is it really Canada where you can hone in based on the savings that you're putting through now or are there other regions where you can see just much better efficiencies through planning and better execution?
Alexandre L’Heureux
Well, Canada clearly I mentioned we want to have an increased margin profile next year. So obviously that's part of the answer, but more importantly, Sara, I mean our operational excellence initiatives are not only directed to one or two countries but directed to all countries.
Australia, you’ve seen the improvement over the last 18 to 24 months and I wish to continue the effort in ‘17. Same thing with our UK business, we just acquired the Mouchel Consulting business.
Their margin profile is lot lower than ours, so we'll be working extremely hard in the months and in the years to come to improve the margin profile of our newly acquired company. Also our existing business in the UK, I think we can do better in certain parts, the power business is an example, the industry sector we could do a bit better.
So we will be working hard in certain pockets but in every countries to improve our margin profile. That I’ve said it in the past, Sara, I mean it's not one significant or a big initiative that will drive margin improvement, it's a number of different initiatives in each of the country with the detail and granular plan and an action plan that will drive margin improvement for the combined - or the aggregate - the business as a whole actually.
Sara O’Brien
And when you think about, in Canada, you're now consolidating offices. Is there much of that still to be done at international as well, like could you take a whole new look at consolidating footprint across WSP?
Alexandre L’Heureux
It's not just about consolidating the footprint, it's about creating a better workplace environment for professionals, I mean the new generation that is actually representing almost half of the work workforce now in North America. They're looking for something different and it is our job to attract the best professional possible at the [indiscernible].
So clearly you’re right it's about optimizing our footprint, making sure that we do things better with an optimized workplace and space but also to improve the working environment of our professionals. So that's why Robert joined us and will be working with us.
So to answer your question, we have around or approximately I’m not mistaken 350 to 400 places around the world. So it's a lot of leases to manage and lots of real estate to manage.
So on a monthly basis, we are refining our strategy and every quarter looking at making improvements. So to answer your question is yes, would be around the world.
This is a constant effort.
Sara O’Brien
And then maybe just lastly on M&A, there was comment about how you’re going to aim to continue to expand the global presence like you've done with adding 2,500 employees in the past year. Should we read into it that there's more of this kind of measured approach to M&A going forward or is that - you're still looking at larger acquisition candidates as well.
Alexandre L’Heureux
No, there's no measured effort, we will do a deal with a real opportunity that we believe will be good for employees, our clients and her shoulders. So there's no measured effort.
As we said in the past, it’s difficult to time acquisitions and that hasn't changed. If you ask me if we were planning for Mouchel at the beginning of the year, we were not planning for Mouchel at the beginning of the year.
We were not playing for MMM the year before but it just happened that, clearly we have active discussion with a number of players and one real opportunity presents itself we try to be opportunistic and jump on that if we feel that it fits our strategy. So, it’s pretty much tuck-in, mid-size and larger size are acquisitions that we would contemplate if there is a real opportunity.
Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Bert Powell with BMO Capital Markets. Your line is open.
Bert Powell
Question for you on EMEA, just trying to understand the comments, Middle East week, says Africa winding down a major utilities project, should we infer from that Q4 organic growth would be negative in EMEA. You had pretty strong comp in the year ago with 9% organic growth but that being said a positive notwithstanding is a pretty good Q1 and Q2 last year.
So trying to interpret your comment there Alex.
Alexandre L’Heureux
No, the answer is, with what we know today, I think we are not projecting negative organic growth for EMEA in Q4. But it's clear that the Middle East although presenting a very small portion of our total net revenue did have an impact on EMEA organic growth this quarter.
But it’s not something that we hadn't foreseen, we knew in ’16 that Middle East would be going through as tougher time. And then the same fashion we were aware of the unwinding of a major project in South Africa.
Having said all that we did have some - did have an impact in Q3. We will continue to have an impact in Q4 but we won't - the expectation is not that we are going to be - we will generating negative organic growth in Q4.
Bert Powell
And just with Canada, your target to get the margins up for next year, where we are year to date, I mean there was restructuring costs in Q2 that were in - when you're doing that comment, are you talking about excluding that restructuring costs in terms of what you think you can do to improve the margins, year-over-year for ‘17
Alexandre L’Heureux
Well what I said is at the end of the day, we acquired MMM and the thesis around MMM is - and the strategy around the acquisition of MMM is we wanted to enter the fastest growing market in Canada, being the GT area, so we achieved that. But also MMM did have a track record of generating good margin, good EBITDA margin and clearly effort is ongoing to import the know-how and import what they have in place to generate that kind of margin.
So, quite clearly we're working on getting this done. We're getting - we're working you know better selecting clients, making sure that we work on the mission critical work when we increase and improve our margin profile on those types of jobs.
We are very focused on our utilization making sure that we manage our corporate cost in Canada properly. And again, we visit our business model like we've done this year and going from a regional model to a national line model now to take advantage of the centers of excellence that we have across Canada.
So, we have a very strong transportation business in Quebec, very strong, very strong our transportation business in Ontario, where we also have a strong transportation business in out west. And now the goal is really to connect all of those professionals together to take advantage of our know-how across the country and be very competitive on the jobs that we're pursuing.
So a number of initiatives are taking place this year to allow for us to improve our margin profile. The goal for ’17 is to improve the bottom line, and earn the right to grow again in 2018.
Bert Powell
And then just lastly quickly on the tax rate, 32% in the quarter.
Alexandre L’Heureux
That's a result of - at the end of the day it's clearly the US business is representing now certainly in Q3 a big portion of our total net revenue for Q3 and as you know corporate tax rate in the US is higher, pretty much the highest rate around and across the world. So, clearly this is been the reason why there has been an increase in tax rate in Q3 as the result of a very good performance of our US business in Q3.
Bert Powell
And that's likely to continue, is it not, Alex.
Alexandre L’Heureux
To give you a more better outlook at the end of Q4 but certainly right now the momentum that we have I think it's fair to say that we hope that the US will have a good year in ‘17.
Bert Powell
So a prudent move would be to assume a higher tax rate than what we’ve experienced in 2016, so far this year?
Alexandre L’Heureux
Let me get back to the end of Q4, Bert. I think it would be better when I have the full picture and I'm able to provide you with a better guidance around the tax rate.
But tonight, I'm not really in a position to tell you it’s going to be 28, and 26 or 31, or - I think I'd like to get back to you with a better answer when I have the answer.
Operator
[Operator Instructions] Your next question comes from the line of Chris Murray with AltaCorp. Your line is open.
Chris Murray
You just mentioned just so I'm clear on this, global corporate cost in Q3 had some reversals like assets and accruals and stuff like that. Did you suggest that some of those are similar impacts will also carry through into Q4?
Alexandre L’Heureux
What I said is that there cost containment and proactive cost containment initiatives took place over the course of Q3, they are a role that we’ve eliminated, we added others but we have revisited our corporate costs around the world in ’16. Clearly since I was newly appointed I’ve made a number of decisions, so we were able to reduce our corporate costs in 2016 and I do expect a similar pattern for Q4 but I'll get back to you for ’17 when I have a more visibility around the plan we have for head office and corporate costs.
Chris Murray
Just to one of the questions that you know when you think about use of capital, certainly one of the discussions we've had over the last few years has been the dividend, the level of the dividend, the DRIP program and there's always been a discussion around the company will grow into the dividend which is a bit of a legacy issue from the trust base. Just wondering if you have any thoughts around the level of the dividend, the use of the DRIP and I appreciate you've got some agreements for some important shareholders that may complicate some of these discussions.
I’m wonderingly about maybe picking a dividend level that maybe supports the growth initiatives more, being able to use internally generated capital, any thoughts about that as we move into ‘17.
Alexandre L’Heureux
Well, our philosophy has always been to reward our investors with other means than just share appreciation. So, clearly we feel that we have the balance sheet to deploy capital.
I believe we have the industry and the catalyst and the momentum in the industry to continue to consolidate the market and we will continue to do that. Having said all that also, I always believe in a good dividend for a number of reasons.
The first is the one I just explained to reward our investors with something else than share appreciation, other means and share appreciation. The second one, it brings a lot of discipline in the business, I do believe that by having to pay a dividend to our shareholders on a quarterly basis, it bring an element of discipline and focus in making sure we collect, we run a tight balance sheet and we run a tight shift, so that we can play our shareholders on the quarterly basis a dividend.
So, our position and our board's position and our position has been not to change the dividend in the past few years. It’s true that we've always said that the goal was to grow out of it and I do feel that that we've made some progress over the last three years.
If you recall when we converted a company the income trusted to a corporation, our payout ratio was approximately 100%. And this year will be around 65%.
And if you consider the DRIP, it’s down obviously it's 29% to 30%. So, I think a great deal of effort has been made to grow off of it and I think we’ve done a good job.
But I do not feel at this point in time with where we are today that we will need to revise this policy for the time being. I think we're comfortable, we have a good yield and so obvious I certainly don’t expect to cut it.
But at the same time we review our dividend policy on an annual basis and we will do so at the end of this year with our board. But I won’t expect with what I know today any changes to the policy at this time.
Chris Murray
And any thoughts around whether or not you would change the DRIP at all?
Alexandre L’Heureux
The DRIP is a great mean to give optionality to our shareholders. Some shareholders like to have a discount to the stock which is right now a 2% discount I believe if it’s a good deal.
Both for the company but also for investors wish is not to receive the cash. So I'm quite comfortable with this.
I think it's a good thing. So I do not expect to make any changes to the DRIP, but frankly it’s not my decision, it's the investor decision to decide whether they wish to DRIP or not.
The program is in place for them to participate, but they also can make the decision in elect not to participate in the DRIP at any given time. So, I’m pleased with where we are today and I think I'm pleased with the percentage of participation that we have in it, I think it's really certainly helpful.
So, I don't have much more to say on this.
Operator
There are no further questions at this time. I turn the call back over to the presenters.
Alexandre L’Heureux
Well, thank you everyone. Again thanks for attending the call and thanks for your question and I look forward to updating you at the end of our fourth quarter with an update on 2017 and our results for Q4.
So, thank you and have a nice day.
Operator
This concludes today’s conference call, you may now disconnect.