Premier Group Limited

Premier Group Limited

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Q4 FY2026 · Earnings Call TranscriptJune 17, 2026

Kobus Gertenbach

Good morning everybody, thank you very much for joining the results presentation for the financial year that ended 31 March 2026. We going to do short presentation just to give you a bit of a flavor for the year under review.

I'll start off with an overview, Fritz will go through the numbers, and I'll end up with a bit of an outlook at the end. From a key performance highlights, I think everybody is well aware of the Rhodes transaction.

It increased the number of shares in issue from around 128 million shares to 166 million shares. By the time the dust had settled and we got down to the consolidation, our share price, which was round about 140 rand a share when the transaction was announced, had run up to 172 rand 78 per share as of the 11th of March 2026 when we received the Competition Commission approval, which meant that the transaction went unconditional on that day.

The auditors have decided that that is the day from which we need to do the consolidation of the Rhodes numbers. Fritz will show you share the balance sheet with you later on, but you will see that as a result of the move in the share price between announcing the deal and closing the transaction, we've had to take on quite a significant amount of additional goodwill approaching almost a billion rand.

That is got a big balance sheet impact for us, but we'll talk about it later. For the year under review, even though we had to consolidate RFG for 21 days in March, it didn't have any immaterial impact on our financial performance from an income statement perspective, and the change at the EPS level was was no impact, and at the HEPS level, it was 3 cents a share.

No real impact from a consolidation perspective. The results that we will be going through is pretty much the Premier standalone performance, excluding the Rhodes transaction other than the balance sheet consolidation at the end of March.

Then going forward, for the next financial year, we will have continue to have two operating divisions for segmental reporting purposes. We'll have the MillBake division, and we'll have the Groceries division.

The only real changes are that RFG will be consolidated into the Groceries division, and we will move CIM, or Companhia Industrial da Matola, our business in Mozambique, we will move that into the MillBake division because of the nature of that business being very closely aligned and being run as one business unit with our milling division. Then just in the past we showed our multi-year results with the base year prior to COVID, which was 2020.

Given that we now reporting our fourth set of financial results as a listed business, we decided to now focus on our performance since listing. Since we've listed our business, the four sets of annual results that we've announced, our EBITDA has grown by 16% compound growth rate from 1.5 billion to 2.7.

Our margin has gone from 10 to 13%. At operating profit level, the compound growth rate was 23%, growing from 1 billion to 2.3 billion.

Our earnings per share CAGR over this period was 38%, with headline earnings per share growing compound growth rate of 28%, and our ROIC going up from 15 to 28%, and return on equity up to 33%. Now especially the ROIC and the ROE numbers are on a Premier standalone basis.

These ROIC and ROE will will reset downwards as we bring the balance sheet of RFG on at year end without really bringing on much or any of their financial performance for the year from income statement perspective. Just at a glance, our MillBake division, bread market share, according to Data Orbis, which is a reading for market share excluding Spar, is up to 31% now.

We continuing to operate with 13 bakeries at year end, but subsequent to year end, we have closed down Hermanstad, our number of bakeries actually declined to 12 as we sit here today. The maize milling and the wheat milling footprint and the beverage plants all stayed the same over the year.

The division accounted for 81% of revenue, and our wheat market share is slightly down from last year to 35%, but our maize market share is up from 14 to 18%. Obviously, these market shares vary from time to time, especially depending on who is driving what promotional activity within the formal retail sector.

From a Groceries International perspective, accounting for 19% of revenue, it's basically our candy and our personal care business. We, from a candy market share, we pretty much 14% around where we were last year, but if you include all our product lines that we do for Woolworths, then that market share goes to round about 20%.

On the feminine hygiene side, pretty much static market share over the last year, not much change in that market space. Then just adding the Culinary division now, Premier Culinary has 14 factories across the country and in Eswatini, and with six sites in the Western Cape, four in Gauteng, one in the Free State, one KwaZulu-Natal, one Limpopo, Eswatini.

Then the very small farming operation in the Western Cape revolving around the Ayrshire milk herd, which we are very far advanced to actually moving to other farmers and we exiting the farming operation itself there, and will all be done before the end of our interim results. Then we continue to have the pineapple farming operation in Eswatini.

From a CIM perspective, pretty much a similar footprint as we had last year. Then just at a glance, the dots have gotten a lot more.

I think the big thing for us now is that we now operate 44 manufacturing sites across the combined business, with another 28 distribution operations or depots. Covering pretty much national footprint, especially where the people are located within the country.

Focus on use of capital allocation within our business, especially with the RFG acquisition, we have significant opportunity for investment in that business unit. We are quite well advanced in terms of identifying various investment projects that are being scoped at the moment.

As we progress with those, we will share them with the market. Needless to say that a similar style of investment of consolidation of operations is available to us across the footprint to drive scale and improve the profitability of of the business going forward.

In total, Premier has invested 2.9 billion rand now in the last four years since listing, and we certainly see more opportunity to continue on that investment track going forward. From a capital structure perspective, as debt has gotten more expensive with the war in the Middle East, we continue to focus on driving down our debt.

We have inherited some debt with the RFG acquisition, and we are in the process of extinguishing that debt with the cash flows and to further drive a reduction in our interest cost for the year, and we certainly think that we will be in a position to pretty much get down to the 0.5 times leverage ratio going forward, which I think is a level that we feel comfortable with and it provides enough capital available to us should further opportunities arise organically or from an acquisition perspective. We have initiated a share repurchase program.

We are not allowed to do general buybacks during a closed period, we acquired 1.8 million shares in March at for a consideration of 322 million rand. As we have more free cash available, having satisfied the first two items on this list, we will look to to further buy back shares, and especially towards looking towards extinguishing the dilutory effect of the A and A1 share conversion that will happen next year.

Then lastly, our dividend payouts, because we've got a fixed ratio of 30%, at listing, we guided that we will pay out 30 to 60% of diluted headline earnings per share, but as our profitability has grown, the dividend payouts that used to be just over 200 million has now moved closer to the 600 million level even though we've maintained the same payout ratio. For the foreseeable future, I think we quite comfortable around the 30% going forward until we decide that there's something different we need to do.

Just from a this year perspective, you will know that we did a special interim dividend just to align the dividend payout timeframes between RFG and Premier so that none of the shareholders were were not treated equally. Our final dividend that we declare is 182 cents per share that will get paid in in July this year, which will bring our full-year dividend to 3 rand 41 cents.

From a MillBake perspective, it was a another strong performance for our business. Our bread business has continued to perform extremely well, running highly efficiently with the Aeroton bakery coming on stream that has allowed us to shut down the Hermanstad or old Pretoria bakery.

We also had the benefit of lower white maize prices in particular that has normalized trading within our maize business and seen some volume pick-up during this year as a result of that. Our focus remains on tight cost management and efficiencies for the next year as well.

The I think the big thing for us that we monitor quite closely as well is the continued brand power scores within our bread business. It's something we get evaluated once a year, and we are very proud of the fact that we've managed to really step change the strength of our bread brands in the minds of the consumers over the past four years.

Our Groceries International, HPC, our HPC business is continuing to focus heavily on getting the cost efficiencies through from the investments that we've made around our automation in packing on our pads line, the new liners line that we brought in from China with automated packing line, and the semi-automation around the packing of various sanitary products into into boxes. Then also our tampon manufacturing, where we've continued to bring machines that we own that we own but that was located in Taiwan across to our factory in Durban, relocating those machines and driving up the throughput of our factory.

We up to eight Ruggli tampon manufacturing machines in our facility, and I think we really we starting to see the first starts of that best cost manufacturing and lowest cost price points on our product lines starting to come through. From a UK perspective, we continue to see a decline in the tampon product segment, and we've done quite big inroads into growing ancillary ranges within the feminine hygiene product ranges, but those the other product lines are slightly less profitable than the core tampon product segment.

Even though we've shown good volume stabilization, we are we did see a little bit of a decline in the profitability of the UK business in the last year, but we confident that we've got a lot of initiatives underway and we certainly seen a good start to the year in that business, to the new financial year. From a sugar confectionery perspective, really proud of the massive achievement that the business has gone through to onboard all of the Woolworths' chocolating lines in particular.

We had to onboard 151 new products, many of which we've never made before, and so and and get those through onto the Woolworths' shelves. We've also, to the end of last year, calendar year, we've launched the Woolworths liquorice lane lines following the investment in the new liquorice manufacturing facility, and so that business is really seen good, positive growth in profitability coming through as a result of the onboarding of all of that product lines.

Focus for us there going forward really is around putting a little bit more emphasis on our own brands after we've really had to focus hard on driving the Woolworths business. From a Mozambican perspective, the country remains extremely challenging.

The business continues to be profitable, but we certainly not seeing the performance out of that operation that we would be that we think is is possible. We'll just keep on watching developments around the gas field developments in particular in Mozambique as the investments there ramp up, especially with renewed focus as alternative supply vis-a-vis the Middle East.

Then from ESG perspective, we this is part of the way that we run our business. It's not something we do on the side.

We've always believed that you need to earn the right to operate in the communities where we sell our products. People have a choice of product, and it's only the extent to which you put back into the communities that communities should allow any company to sell their product into those communities.

Across the various businesses, we've got massive product donations accounting for 29 million meals that we have served in the last year. We've done significant amount of work, especially in the Eastern Cape rural areas, around water supply for the communities, where we've sunk boreholes and put up tanks and pumping facilities to supply water to communities that didn't have any running water.

We run various large water trucks to distribute the water to the various areas. We've been involved with Bread for Bricks, where we've delivered four homes during the past year to people that have been waiting for decades to have their own home.

All our accreditations are continuing to drive very hard. ISO 17025 is a very proud one in particular because we're the only company in South Africa other than the grain laboratories that have this certification.

Our commitment to investing in our people from a training perspective, etc., has continued during the past year. Over to Fritz for the financial performance.

Fritz Grobbelaar

Thanks. Good morning, everyone.

Thanks for joining us. It's a great privilege presenting such a great set of results.

Another proviso, just remember some of these numbers. The income statement has got a few days of the RFG numbers in.

It's because the deal was unconditional on 11th of March. We're sitting with 21 days of the income statement and cash flow, but at year end, we've got the full balance sheet on.

If we look at the revenue, the Premier Group delivered a great set of results recording 21.2 billion rand of revenue, which represents a 7% increase year-on-year. The continuous focus on increasing our operational efficiencies as well as our cost containment culture coupled with improving of the logistics platform culminated in an EBITDA of 2.8 billion.

This is a 18% increase year-on-year. Our EBITDA margin has also seen an uptick by 130 basis points from 11.8 to 13.1%.

With the depreciation and amortization declining slightly by 3% year-on-year, we've seen our operating profit record 2.4 billion for the year. This represents 23% year-on-year increase.

The margin in this instance has increased by 150 basis points all the way up to 11.1%. Our continuous focus to chip away at debt, as Kobus mentioned before, has reduced our interest for the year by 28%.

The impact of that is that our net profit for the year is 1.6 billion, which is 29% up year-on-year. The margin has also expanded here by 130 basis points all the way up to 7.4%.

In March, we guided the market with a voluntary trading update that we expect earnings per share to be up by between 20 and 30%. The actual for the year, and this is including RFG for the few days, earnings per share sitting at 11 rand 92, which is 20% 27% up year-on-year.

Headline earnings up 28%, which is 12 rand 4 cents. We're also declaring a final cash dividend of 1 rand 82, which is 30% of diluted HEPS.

We didn't pay the interim during the year, so that brings the total dividend that's going to be paid for this year to 3 rand 41 cents. The increase in EBITDA as well as our disciplined working capital for the year has culminated in cash generation from operations of 3.3 billion, that's 40% up year-on-year.

We've also managed to buy back 322 million rand of shares in March, as Kobus previously alluded. That was 1.8 million shares for that period, and we'll use that for our A and A1 dilutive shares for the next year.

We continue to chip away at debt. We paid another 429 voluntary debt during the year, which was a portion of the RFG debt as well as a portion of our long-term debt.

This slide is quite key for me because it's got the Premier standalone numbers in, what it would have been if the RFG integration wasn't in at that stage for the few days. Premier standalone, 11.92, post-RFG also 11.92; HEPS, 12 rand 4 cents versus 12 rand 1 cent.

Group leverage ratio was 0.5 on the Premier standalone business, and that's increased to 0.8. Again, like Kobus alluded, we'll chip away at that in the next year making sure that that is reduced back down to the 0.5, which has always been our aim.

The ROIC, heavily impacted from 27.7 down to 17.6, and very similar with ROE of 32.5 down to 19.6. We report in MillBake and Groceries International.

MillBake has always been our biggest division, and that will decrease with RFG for the next year being included in Groceries. The MillBake division for this year seen 5% revenue growth, of which all is contributed to volume.

That's all the way up to 17.3 billion rand of revenue. The EBITDA has also increased by compound in growth for the last few years all the way up by 18% to 2.7 billion for the year.

With our focus on increasing our operational efficiencies, we've seen our EBITDA margin expanding from 11.6% all the way up to 15.5%, and compound growth on operating profit has increased by 22% over this period. Groceries, again, like I said, that's a smaller division at this stage.

For the year, we've seen revenue growth of 13.5% all the way up close to 4 billion rand of revenue. EBITDA margin has increased significantly by 30% from 233 to 302.

If we just touch on the divisions there, HPC struggled a bit during the year in their own formal retail markets. They had to go and develop new markets, which helped with that.

The candy business has done very well. It's bedded down all the Woolies products as well as the liquorice line, and made sure all of the stock is on time and in full on shelves.

That EBITDA margin has increased from 6.7% last year all the way up to 7.7%. We expect it next year with RFG or Culinary being included in this, that the EBITDA margin would seen an uptick as well.

The next slide is headline earnings waterfall. It consolidates between EBITDA and headline earnings, with the three key items sitting in here: depreciation and amortization, 3% down year-on-year all the way down to four 430 million; net finance cost, a reduction of 28%, and it's a result of continuing to chip away at our debt, that's sitting at 221 million; and then the tax is increased by 38% as a result of the increase in the earnings.

Cash flow. Cash flow from operations, we've already spoken about it, the 3.3 billion that's generated.

With that, we paid 222 million rand of finance cost, 520 million rand of tax, 570 million rand of dividends. That dividends is the '25 year dividend plus the special interim dividend that was paid in January this year.

We've also spent a billion and 22 on capex, 762 of that is for expansionary capex, and the rest is for maintenance capex. We'll touch on the capex slide a bit later on.

Then we've already spoken about the debt that was repaid, the 322 million rand of shares that was repaid. That then leaves us with a closing balance of 673 million.

Our cash flow conversion for this year is sitting at 92%, that's above the average of 76% for the last four years. Capital expenditure.

Spoken about the numbers, a billion and 22 rand of capex that was spent, 762 towards expansionary capex. That was to conclude the Aeroton bakery as well as a few other MillBake projects, as well as bedding down the packaging solution in HPC and the liners line bedding that down.

The percentage to revenue is increased from 3.7% on the previous year all the way up to 4.8% for this year. The last slide, the debt breakdown.

Spoken about the gearing. In 2021, we were sitting at 1.9 times geared, that's reduced all the way down to 0.5 times pre the RFG acquisition, and post-RFG acquisition, it's up to 0.8 times percent.

During the year as well, we've returned 893 million cash to shareholders, which consists of share repurchases of 322 million and dividends of 571 million. We're sitting at this stage with 1.5 billion rand of RCF facility that's available to be drawn if and when we need that in the future.

Kobus Gertenbach

Right, I'll conclude with the outlook. A couple of points.

We've spoken about the onboarding of RFG. As we sit here today, we have made significant progress with the incorporation of that business into the Premier world.

Our teams are working together, our sales are integrated, our HR policies have been rolled out to a large extent. Our various training and people agenda items are underway.

We're busy with climate creation workshops for stronger together to make sure that the people culturally integrate well with the rest of Premier. We are rolling out the InvaComs, which is our methodology for how we run meetings within our manufacturing facilities in particular.

We also have got scorecards within the Culinary division to the head of department level within all the factories for this year so that people know what the key performance items are by area that they need to focus on in order to contribute to our performance. We've obviously managed to get rid of a fair amount of cost around the resignation of the RFG board, together with the savings on listing costs, etc.

Those savings are as already been effective from the 1st of April. We've integrated our insurance programs and managed to save quite a bit of money on our combined insurance program.

On the 1st of July, our merchandising service providers will be merged onto the Premier platform, the whole of the combined business will be on Pack 'n Stack from the 1st of July, and we foresee quite a nice savings in terms of merchandising coming through from the consolidation of those operations. From a procurement and logistics perspective, our procurement is underway and we've already harmonized a lot of the procurement, especially where there's overlaps in procurement of the same products between the businesses, and starting to come through with savings there.

On the 1st of October, the bulk of the long-life part of the RFG business will be consolidated onto the Premier platform to integrate logistical operations, as I say, from the 1st of October. Then the integration of the various group services is underway.

We will start to push our Premier's ERP system, Dynamics Great Plains, into the RFG business, but that will probably take us 12 to 18 months to fully integrate all 14 manufacturing sites onto our computer systems as well. We have seen the substantial increases in fuel price.

Premier has taken pretty much across the board price increases of round about 5%, most of it effective from the 1st of April and some of it effective the 1st of May. We have already done what we needed to do in terms of starting to protect our margins from the erosion of the cost pushes that come through.

Unfortunately, the inflationary effect is not limited to fuel price, but it immediately hit all packaging materials as well. We were forced to actually just push those costs through into our pricing.

From a soft commodity perspective, wheat, rice, maize, the world is awash in commodities at the moment. There is the super El Niño that's been forecast to start during our summer season, and we have taken some steps to make sure that we have secured all the necessary grain that we need and protect ourselves should pricing start to run away.

From a SARB perspective, we are really at a point where it's difficult to see how the wage increase expectations are going to meet the SARB's 3% requirement, and we certainly are not able to settle wages down at that level and I don't think that anybody in business in South Africa will be able to do that. We will keep on watching the SARB what the SARB does around the 3% inflation target.

Then we said, given the cost of capital expectations, I think now with the potential of the war ending since the weekend, one can always have a look at how that goes, but we certainly have indicated that we'll continue to reduce our debt down to the 0.5 times level and get the benefit in our EPS from lower interest cost. The Aeroton bakery the second line was commissioned in March, the first one in January.

We're still working on getting maximum throughput and efficiencies. It takes us up to 12 to 18 months from when we commission a new line until we have it running optimally, and so that process is underway within our Aeroton bakery.

Then from a international business within Culinary, that's the Tulbagh facility that does the fruit canning for export and the pulps and purees into the international market, the prior year's marketing season was a very turbulent time when South Africa was slapped with the 30% import duty into the US in particular. That has settled down into the 10, 12.5% flat rate environment, where the differential in the import duty into America in particular between us and Europe is also no longer that significant.

We do foresee that in general, we think that the international business could do slightly better in the next marketing season than the prior year. Then from a sugar confectionery and personal care perspective, it's all about driving the efficiencies through the new machines that we've put into those facilities and really getting the benefit of manufacturing all of those products at the lowest cost that we can possibly get to.

Then from a CIM business, we have made good strides in terms of leveraging our capabilities within Mozambique into a wider SADC markets. We produce pasta there that we now distribute throughout SADC.

We have got five biscuit lines there that are making very good quality products and that have also started to make a number of SKUs for Woolworths in South Africa. We will continue to drive a broader SADC market for the Mozambican business as we look towards a potential normalization of that economy down the line if the gas developments can steady the ship.

Then in conclusion, I think it's a long runway for growth. Since listing, our track record on earnings growth has been very strong, and we certainly as a management team are committed to drive that exact same performance over the coming years.

We've shown, I think, the market that irrespective of volatile input costs, grain prices, KZN riots, international wars, name it, that we've managed to find ways to keep on driving non-cyclical earnings growth over time. We've certainly, in our perspective, done our part to invest and make sure that the capex that we put in continues to drive a higher return on invested capital as we utilize the platform that we've got to put high-yielding projects and capital investment on top of that, and get the benefit of the scale that we can operate at.

We certainly, from our perspective, feel that with the RFG acquisition in particular, it's given us a lot longer runway in order to continue to invest and drive a higher return on the capital that we have invested in the business. From a balance sheet perspective, we remain strong.

We've conservative on the use of debt, and I think that it gives us financial flexibility to go after opportunities if more were to arise in the future. Our free cash flow generation has been very strong.

In the last year in particular, I think our cash generation has benefited from the savings in working capital from the reduction in grain prices that has helped us. Yes, I think from our perspective, we feel optimistic around our ability to continue to drive the performance of the business into the future.

That's it from my side and from our side. There's a whole bunch of appendix slides that gives more information that is uploaded on our website and available to all the shareholders.

We also will upload the recording of this presentation if anybody wants to view that afterwards, and we will now open the floor for any questions from any of the shareholders.

Anthony Geard

Cool, if anyone's got a question, you know the drill, please raise your hand. I'll get the ball rolling, but, yeah, firstly, Kobus, Frik, Rolf, just to say what an extraordinary set of results.

Just a couple of call-outs for me: the 5% volume growth in MillBake, the strong margin expansion in both divisions, and particularly, extraordinary cash generation and using that very sensibly to increase the dividend and to buy back some shares. Perhaps maybe a little bit of a lighthearted one.

What's going on with Chuckles? Are you now doing the red Chuckles as well?

Clearly, that's an area of lots of growth and excitement in the business.

Kobus Gertenbach

Anthony, yes. In terms of the Woolworths chocolate ranges, we do all the chocolates under the Woolworths brand other than the red Chuckles.

The red Chuckles has always been manufactured by Mondelēz or Cadbury. It was not part of the Kraft Heinz stable.

I think that we have R&D processes underway in order to get the right technology in place in order to make sure that we can deliver the same quality going forward. It is something that we will pursue over time to see if we can't make that for Woolworths and complete the whole range.

Until we capable of doing that, you can continue to enjoy red Chuckles made by Mondelēz.

Anthony Geard

Cool. Just a reminder, anyone wants to ask a question, please raise your hands.

I do have one from Nontu. Let me just read it out.

Oh, quite a long one. Okay.

Given maize deflation, which supported FY 2026 volumes and margins, what level of MillBake EBITDA margins should be considered sustainable in 2027 if grain, fuel, packaging costs rise? Obviously, you've spoken to the 5% price increase already.

How much pricing can realistically pass through without damaging volume? I think you've partly addressed that, but if we can perhaps touch on kind of what's happening in maize and just checking this morning, I see Iwisa the 2.5 kg pack is available in some stores at kind of mid-30s price.

Some of your competitors are above 40. Has that price deflation trend kind of properly run its course?

You've already said you've pushed through the price increases of, say, 5% across the board. In the maize business generally, kind of what's your sense of the volume/price dynamic and how that affects margins?

Kobus Gertenbach

I think that to cut very short answer is that given that maize at the moment is still trading at between 3,100 and 3,300 rand a ton, which is quite much lower than we've seen for the last few years, we don't anticipate this 2027 financial year to be impacted by higher maize prices much at all. It will only be if there is any impact, we would look to see how we would manage that business into the 2028 financial year because I think it's only then that we will see any real impact from that.

The cost increases on packaging and diesel fuel and all of those other things have more than been compensated for by the around 5% increase in sales prices across the portfolio. We certainly from this year perspective don't foresee any margin problems or issue or backtracking on our business.

I'm very comfortable with where we are given pricing, I'm very comfortable with the inflation, and I'm very comfortable with maize prices in particular. Wheat prices have run up globally, but because we have got a import duty on wheat that calculates off the dollar price in Chicago, the net effect is that as the dollar price has gone up, the duty has gone down.

From a wheat perspective, there's been very little inflation within the market over the last few months. I certainly don't foresee any margin issues going forward, Anthony, and we will obviously review that as we go into the next financial year if there are any issues, but for this year, we'll be fine.

Anthony Geard

Great. I've got a couple more from Nontu, but thanks for that refresher on the wheat tariff impact because it's always good to kind of understand just the disconnect between what's going on globally and in SAFEX.

Fritz, I think this one is for you. Can you give us a bit more detail on expected synergy benefits from the RFG acquisition?

Fritz Grobbelaar

Anthony, at this stage, we haven't disclosed the exact number. It's a working document.

What I can say, it's probably in the excess of 100 million kind of scenario.

Kobus Gertenbach

It's definitely material, Anthony. We're counting them up as we go, but we certainly very confident that we should be able to at least get over 100 million.

Fritz Grobbelaar

Yeah. It's not staff related, retrenchment related kind of scenarios, it's synergies and cost savings somewhere else.

Anthony Geard

Cool. Thank you.

Then post-RFG, what is your capital allocation hierarchy between deleveraging, dividends, buybacks, integration capex, and further growth projects?

Kobus Gertenbach

Look, I think that organic investment remains our core focus. We have got more than enough opportunities that we feel is well above our hurdle rates in order to drive the continued growth in earnings for the business while returning a good return on invested capital.

That is our primary objective. I think we definitely going to spend more in this 2027 year than we spent in the last year in terms of capex, there will be further increase in capital investment, especially as we identify opportunities within the Culinary division to also drive further economies of scale in that business.

If we do another good year of EPS growth, the payout ratio on the dividend will further push up our actual cash utilization or the amount of money that we need to pay out on dividends. We don't intend at this point in time to increase the 30% payout ratio at all.

We feel that we've got enough organic growth opportunities and investments that we would prefer to prioritize those. If we have any surplus cash over and above our capital needs and just the 30% dividend payout, we will continue to do general buybacks of our shares over the coming months into the next year.

We have round about a billion-odd plus rand worth of dilution coming through from the various LTI schemes that's been running for the last seven years, and 322 million of which we've sanitized in March, and we would be looking over the next 18 months, in my view, to try and get up to that billion rand level from a buyback perspective.

Anthony Geard

Can I just ask a question of clarification on that dilution? Because your diluted number of shares in issue stepped up quite a lot, so that's already covered in the diluted HEPS?

That's in the base, okay, cool.

Kobus Gertenbach

Yes, it's in the base.

Anthony Geard

All right, I've got a few more questions and lots of congrats on the chat line, guys. Again, it's not just me that thinks you guys are amazing.

One from Siphilele: "Well done on an excellent set of results. It seems that Aeroton is more than just a new bakery investment.

It has the potential to be a structural margin and cash flow story for the group. Could you provide an update on the initial ramp-up process, whether the operation is tracking in line with your expectations?

Then in addition, how do the Aeroton margins compare with the broader MillBake margin of 13.9%? As the facility reaches optimal utilization and efficiencies are fully realized, what do you believe is a realistic medium-term margin potential for that asset in particular, for Aeroton?"

Kobus Gertenbach

Look, we've never really, at any of our bakery levels, disclosed the level of detail that's been asked in that question. We would be writing the business case for all of our competitors if we give you all of that information, and they are even more interested than anybody else.

The reality is that Aeroton only came online at the third week of January with the first line, and the second line hardly contributed in the month of March. We really sitting with not much of a contribution from the Aeroton facility in the year that we've just reported.

We expect Aeroton, with the closing down of the Hermanstad bakery and with the efficiency that are coming through to add meaningfully to our performance in the next year. I've always said that we as a management team set out to continue to make investments in our business that continues to drive towards double-digit EBITDA growth, which gives us slightly higher EBIT growth with some interest savings, etc., and we trying to move towards the 15 to 20% EPS growth.

That, I think, is what Aeroton, if it meets our expectations, then we certainly should see a continued upward march in our growth trajectory coming with the assistance of that facility. It's also not the only thing that we have going, and so there's other investments across the business that will also drive through.

I think the efficiencies coming through the personal care business, in the sugar confectionery business, and then some of the initial changes that we've started to make within the Culinary division, we will continue to see all of those contributing and helping to get us to the performance growth or growth that we would like to continue to deliver.

Anthony Geard

Cool. Siphilele, I hope you happy with that, but clearly the move is still upward.

I've got a few more questions, but just before I get to what's on the chat, what am I looking at in the slide with the appendix? Is that liquorice, these green strips?

Kobus Gertenbach

That's the apple cables for Woolworths.

Anthony Geard

All right, there we go. Got a question from Craig: "Morning, all.

Congrats on the great results. You mentioned exiting the Ayrshire farming operations.

What's the current assessment of the pineapple farming operations and any intention to exit as yet, or are you guys happy to be farmers?"

Kobus Gertenbach

Look, Anthony, if you want to be in pineapple, you've got to grow them yourself. We have got a significant amount of contract growers in Eswatini as well, it's not as if we're farming all of it ourselves.

We have land that we farm to grow pineapples, and we have other areas where we have farmers that are contracted to farm for us and that deliver pineapples to us. We also have similar type of setup where we get contract grown grapefruit and other citrus that we also can and process in that facility.

The pineapple business has been well performing, it's been good business for RFG over the years, and from our perspective, we have no desire to exit that operation. We will continue to look at opportunities to optimize, drive further efficiency, and get better margin and utilization of capital in that business, but there's no intention to exit it.

The Ayrshire dairy herd, we're not exiting the dairy business in particular. We used to run a Ayrshire herd ourselves, and then we had five different farmers that we bought milk in from on a contracted basis, and all we've done is we've moved the herd onto those five farmers so that they farm the herd.

We don't farm it directly anymore, but we still get the off-take of the milk in order to manufacture all the dairy products for Woolworths as we've always done.

Fritz Grobbelaar

Anthony, on this, we are busy with a strategic review on all of the businesses, it's too early to comment exactly with what we're going to do where.

Anthony Geard

Cool. Got a question from Matt Auerbach: "Congrats on these results.

We're going to talk about the dilution issue here, which you've partly addressed already. How many shares would need to be repurchased to offset the A and A1 shares?

Do you plan to buy them all back before their conversion? Then, just in terms of more capital allocation, what level of capex should we expect in the next couple of years?

Should it be lower due to Aeroton being completed? Perhaps just touch on the RFG kind of capex run rate.

I think a lot of people might not be aware of some of the details of RFG, maybe give a sense of what their baseline capex is and how that's going to impact Premier's capex."

Kobus Gertenbach

Look, from a share perspective, we're looking at overall if you take the fully diluted headline earnings per share, you're looking at a dilution of just over 3% or so in total. In order to actually not have 3% dilution, one would probably need to buy back around about 3 to 4 billion shares, million shares across the board.

I think from our perspective, it's not about trying to match it, but in particular, I think we just want to continue to sort of massage the impact of that dilution. We're not talking double digit or big numbers.

We're talking 3, 3 to 4% dilution once those long-term instruments unwind. Just for those that don't know, the A and A1s were issued in 20 2020.

It's been a seven-year LTI scheme that has been running. It really has been part of how we've driven long-term growth within our organization.

Then from a capex perspective on the Culinary side, Rhodes has in the past spent round about 300 to 400 million rand a year in capex, with round about 200 or half of that being maintenance capex and then the other half being growth capex. From our perspective, I think that we would probably look to step that up a little bit.

As I say, it's early days. We start to work on ideas for capital investment to drive performance, and it takes a long time to really consummate the right plans.

I always joke with the teams internally to say that it's round about plan 38 that starts to really look like it's something that I want to invest in. We are in that process at the moment.

We are looking at a lot of opportunities, but I do think that as we get through and we get the right plans with the right investments, that we will definitely see a step-up in the capital investment in that part of the business in order to get those efficiencies through.

Anthony Geard

Cool. I know we running short of time, just a couple more.

This is Warren from Battersea asking, "Did Rhodes own the Ayrshire farming operations? That could be quite valuable.

Will you look to sell?" Again, Fritz, you did say everything's under review and it's early days, but are there any kind of especially valuable land assets that you'd look to dispose of?

Look,

Kobus Gertenbach

the Ayrshire herd was being farmed on a piece of land adjacent to the processing facilities in Drakenstein, there right next to Allée Bleue and Boschendal and those in that area there. The herd itself is available to see.

It's 15 or 17 million rand worth of cows that sits as biological assets on the balance sheet and that we've effectively now just outsourced the farming of which to the various other suppliers. It's not as if we've sold the herd, we will probably exit the herd over time as we would look for these farmers to acquire those cows from us, but it's certainly not a day-one thing.

Then from a land sale perspective, I have sold very few pieces of land in my 15 years at Premier. I'm not big on selling property.

We do have a lot of the water rights that we have in terms of the processing of the fruit and the other products at the Drakenstein facility is tied to that land. We can't really, in my view, it wouldn't be prudent for us to divest any of the land and lose any of the other ancillary benefits that we get from having that available to us.

I certainly don't see asset sales as a major area of contribution for value creation in the short term.

Anthony Geard

Yeah. We'll scratch off that 10 rand special dividend then.

Kobus Gertenbach

It's not coming. Share price will fall by 100 rand if you do special dividends.

Anthony Geard

Last question: "What are some of the execution risks in decommissioning bakeries while ramping up in Aeroton?" Look,

Kobus Gertenbach

we don't really foresee any risk from that perspective. The older bakeries are still being run, they're still being maintained, and they're still available to us.

We certainly from our side, we only took down Hermanstad once we had line two in Aeroton up and running. We didn't just take it down when line one came up.

We are conservative when it comes to that. There's more than enough opportunity for efficiencies and cost savings to come through that we don't need to rush to gun, we'll be prudent and we'll do it in the right timeframe as things develop.

Anthony Geard

Fantastic. That's us done with questions.

Thanks for participating, and thanks to those of you who asked questions. Thanks to my colleague, Louise, who put all this together.

Thanks to you guys, the Premier management team. Fantastic set of results, really brilliant, and all the best for FY 2027, for the RFG integration, and for all the other exciting projects that you've got.

Good luck with the road show.

Kobus Gertenbach

Thank you very much, Anthony, appreciate it.

Anthony Geard

All right, cheers, everyone. Have a good day.

Kobus Gertenbach

Cheers, bye-bye.

Fritz Grobbelaar

Done, guys. Thank you.

Kobus Gertenbach

Thank you.

Anthony Geard

Cheers.