Ahluwalia Contracts (India) Limited

Ahluwalia Contracts (India) Limited

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Q3 FY2026 · Earnings Call TranscriptFebruary 16, 2026

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, good day and welcome to Ahluwalia Contracts India Limited Q3 FY '26 earnings conference call hosted by Ambit Capital Private Limited. As a reminder, all participant lines will be in the listen-only mode, and there will be an opportunity for you to ask questions after the presentation concludes.

Should you need assistance during this conference call, please signal an operator by pressing star then zero on your touchtone phone. Please note that this conference is being recorded.

I now hand the conference over to Mr. Sudeep Bora.

Thank you, and over to you, sir.

Sudeep Bora

Good afternoon, everyone. On behalf of Ambit Capital, I thank the management of Ahluwalia Contracts India Limited for the opportunity to host their Q3 FY '26 earnings conference call.

To discuss the results, I am pleased to welcome Mr. Shobhit Uppal, Deputy Managing Director, Mr.

Vikas Ahluwalia, Director, and Mr. Satbeer Singh, Chief Financial Officer.

Now I invite the management to discuss the key highlights of the quarter, post which we'll open up for Q&A. Thank you, and over to you, sir.

Shobhit Uppal

Hi. Good afternoon, good evening, everybody.

Ahluwalia Contracts India Limited has announced its financial results for Q3 FY '26. During Q3 FY '26, the company has achieved a turnover of ₹1,060.72 crores and a PAT of ₹54.02 crores in comparison to a turnover of ₹951.96 crores and a PAT of ₹49.39 crores during Q3 FY '25.

The company has registered a growth of 11.43% in turnover and a 9.38% growth in PAT during Q3 FY '26 as in comparison to the corresponding quarter, FY '25. EPS of the company for Q3 FY '26 is ₹8.06 compared to ₹7.37 in the corresponding quarter, FY '25.

During Q3 FY '26, the company's EBITDA margin is 9.05% as compared to 8.86% in Q3 FY '25, and PAT margin is 5.02% as compared to the PAT margin of 5.11% in Q3 FY '25. During the period of 9 months FY '26 of the company, the company has achieved a turnover of ₹3,242.90 crores and a PAT of ₹184.18 crores in comparison to a turnover of ₹2,882.79 crores and a PAT of ₹118.35 crores during the corresponding 9 months of the last financial year, FY '25.

EPS of the company for the period of 9 months FY '26 is ₹27.49 as compared to EPS of ₹17.67 during the period of 9 months, FY '25. During the period of 9 months, FY '26, the company's EBITDA margin is 9.59% as compared to 7.57%, PAT margin of 5.60% as compared to 4.05% in the period of 9 months, FY '25.

Net order book of the company as on 31st December, 2025 is ₹18,679.50 crores to be executed in the next 2.5 to 3 years. Total order inflow in FY '26 year-to-date is ₹9,562 crores.

Thank you. We are open to take questions now.

Operator

Thank you very much. We'll begin with the question and answer session.

Anyone who wishes to ask a question may press star and one on their touchtone telephone. If you wish to remove yourself from the question queue, you may press star and two.

Participants are requested to use handsets while asking a question. Ladies and gentlemen, we'll wait for a moment while the question queue assembles.

The first question is from the line of Vaibhav Shah from JM Financial. Please go ahead.

Vaibhav Shah

Yeah. Sir, firstly, given the margins and the execution in 9 months, how do you see the annual revenue for FY '25, for FY '26?

We were targeting around 15% to 20% kind of growth.

Shobhit Uppal

No, more like anywhere between 10% to 15%. Margin projection is what I had given last time, it will be double digit.

December, January have been impacted by NGT and project closures in Delhi. As nearly 44% of order book comes from Delhi, that's impacted the top line a bit.

We're expecting slight disruption in March also this time because Holi is earlier this time. Anywhere between 10% to 15% top line.

Vaibhav Shah

Sir, and for next year?

Shobhit Uppal

Next year it'll be 15% to 20%.

Vaibhav Shah

Okay. Sir, given the very strong order book and you mentioned that the orders are to be executed in roughly 3-odd years, can the growth be even higher?

Are we being conservative for '27?

Shobhit Uppal

Vaibhav, you ask me this every time. We are being slightly conservative.

It was healthy last time around, it's healthier now. We'd given a projection of about ₹8,000 crores worth of fresh order inflow in this year.

We've crossed that. It's at about ₹9,500 crores.

We're being conservative when we're saying 15% to 20%.

Vaibhav Shah

Okay. Sir, secondly, on a few key projects, when do we expect to start the work on Gems and Jewellery Park?

Shobhit Uppal

We will start it in Q1 FY '27. I'd mentioned last time around also, in April, I'd said we'll start.

The drawings, approvals are coming in now, and the client is in the process of handing over part of the site to us. There was an overburden of earth which was to be removed by the client.

They have already done that substantially, and 30% to 40% of the area, they're in the process of handing over to us, which should happen in the next month, and we should start the work.

Vaibhav Shah

Any target that we look for this project in FY '27 in terms of revenue?

Shobhit Uppal

Definitely. Gems and Jewellery Park, definitely.

As I said, Q1 FY '27, the work will start, actual billing will start.

Vaibhav Shah

Can we do this 30%, 35% kind of execution which you are targeting earlier for '27?

Shobhit Uppal

Sorry. Come again?

30%, 35% what? Sorry?

Vaibhav Shah

For FY '27, what kind of revenue are we targeting from this project?

Shobhit Uppal

Of the total value of the project, I think it would be to the tune of about 20%, 20% to 25%.

Vaibhav Shah

Okay. Sir, secondly, on CSMT, we have seen some weakness in execution in Q3 compared to the run rate of last 4 quarters.

How do you see it for the entire year and for next year?

Shobhit Uppal

I think totally we had projected that we will execute in this financial year, we would be executing anywhere between ₹300 and ₹350 crores worth of work on CSMT. We we are confident we will be doing that.

Work progress has picked up there, and so we should be meeting that target. As far as the next financial year goes, we should be doing a work of about ₹700 crores there.

Vaibhav Shah

Okay. Sir, lastly, one data point.

On order inflow number is ₹9,562 crores.

Satbeer Singh

Out of this, what would be

Shobhit Uppal

the

Vaibhav Shah

value ex of GST? Out of this 9,562, ₹603 crores.

₹603 is the GST value?

Shobhit Uppal

Is the GST value. Yeah.

Vaibhav Shah

GST. Okay.

Satbeer Singh

That's it from

Vaibhav Shah

my side.

Shobhit Uppal

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Lakshmi Narayanan from Tunga Investments.

Please go ahead.

Lakshmi Narayanan

Hello. Yes, sir.

Yes, sir. Yeah.

Shobhit Uppal

Hello.

Lakshmi Narayanan

May I go ahead?

Shobhit Uppal

Yes, please go ahead.

Lakshmi Narayanan

Yeah. See, when we had a call in the third week of November, we were confident of growth of around 15% to 20%.

Did you anticipate that this would actually get toned down to 10% to 15%? Or what actually happened in the last 5 to 6 weeks of Q3?

That is my first question. The second question is that one of our key accounts, Signature Global, they called out some bit of slowness in their projects, particularly the Sector 37D, Sarvam.

I don't know whether we are working on the DXP, the...

Shobhit Uppal

We are working. Yes.

Lakshmi Narayanan

Sarvam or DXP, we are working?

Shobhit Uppal

We're working on DXP, Deluxe, Signature, 37D, not the new one. New one is the name that you took, we are not working on that.

Lakshmi Narayanan

Okay. Also, there...

Shobhit Uppal

Sorry to interject, but this Sarvam, what was the name that you said?

Lakshmi Narayanan

Yeah. They talked about the project Sarvam which was launched in December 2025.

Shobhit Uppal

They... They are talking about a slowness in sales there.

That's why we are not associated with that job, nor have we bid for that job.

Lakshmi Narayanan

Got it. Okay.

Also, the larger question because DLF is also a large, important client. What is your sense of the entire market?

I think last time also you said that we are somehow ring-fenced ourselves from any particular slowdown or any particular cash issues with any of the developers. Can you just elaborate a bit more on that?

These are my two questions. One is that what happened between November 17 to December end, which led to a seemingly underwhelming guidance from where you started?

Is there something that really happened? Then the second, in terms of the Gurgaon stuff.

Shobhit Uppal

Yeah. First question, as I mentioned to Vaibhav in response to the question that he asked, the NGT impact this year has been more prolonged, to say.

Since 44% of our order book is from NCR, December and January have been impacted. Even the first week of February was impacted as far as the project closure on account of pollution was concerned.

This time March, the Holi festival is in the first week of March. Generally, what we've seen in the past is that 3 or 4 days before the festival, the labor force starts going back to their hometown, and then it takes about a week for them to come back.

March is also going to be impacted. That's why we have reduced our projection by 2, 3, 4 percentage points as far as the top line is concerned.

As regards ring-fencing or our exposure to the slowdown as far as sales of residential buildings or projects is concerned, I had mentioned last time around that we have now slowed down as far as bidding for further residential projects is concerned. We feel that out of our total bouquet of projects, residential is quite a bit.

We're now focusing on institutional projects or airports or hotels or commercial projects. Residential is not a focus area for us, especially in NCR.

Having said that, the projects that we're working on, be it with DLF as you mentioned, we've not seen any sort of issues with payments, DLF being obviously the premier development company in the country. Even with the likes of Smart World or Emaar, all the projects that we are executing were launched more than 2 years ago, RERA being in place.

We've not felt any financial issues with all the clients that we are working for on these residential projects in NCR.

Lakshmi Narayanan

Got it. Just to understand, the RERA ensures that the cash flows are restricted to that project and it is not actually taken out for any other things, right?

So...

Shobhit Uppal

Yes, sir. Yes.

In fact, it also puts pressure on the developer to sort of ensure that the projects are delivered in time. We continue to face those pressures from developers to execute faster and build faster.

As I said, we've not faced any cash flow issues from these developers.

Lakshmi Narayanan

Right. Quickly on the NGT thing, right?

This seems to be a recurring phenomenon every year, right? If that is the case, how do we build in our growth expectations internally?

How do you realign yourself? Because this is happening maybe consecutively for a second or maybe third year also.

We have 44%, 45% in NCR region, and that's something which will be there for the next 2, 3 years also. Is it fair to assume that that's something which is a given, and is there any way in which you can address this?

Shobhit Uppal

You're right. It's pretty much become a part of the annual calendar, especially the third quarter of the financial year.

Having said that, because it's become a part now, all the constituents of the ecosystem have become alive to it. We're all constructively brainstorming as to how to mitigate the impact of this, how to sort of sensitize the powers that be, be it the courts or the government, be it the state governments or the central government, the impact that this is having on the livelihoods of the workers involved with our industry.

We are reasonably hopeful that in the coming years, this impact is going to be mitigated with the measures that we are taking on the projects to ensure that we are not contributing as much to pollution as the popular notion is. We're sensitizing the governments to this fact also.

The most important point is all of us, be it the developer or be it the contractor or be it the bureaucracy, we seem to be getting aligned on this point. We're hoping that in the coming year or years, the disruptions are not going to be as much as they have been the last 2, 3 years.

This year has been a little more peculiar in the sense that right from the festive season onwards, the disruption started. Now Holi, as I said, is also earlier.

This impact, starting from Diwali from October till January, January end, has impacted our top-line performance. Got it.

Lakshmi Narayanan

Just one more question. See, sometime back, maybe a year back or maybe 3 quarters back, you mentioned that there is a non-availability of workers, and especially post elections, you couldn't get them assembled, etc.

Now has any steps have been taken by the industry or by yourself so that we will have some UP elections coming next year and so on and so forth? How do you ensure that the labor availability at the right time, at the right amount is actually taken care of?

Or is still that a lurking issue at your end?

Shobhit Uppal

No, it's actually a full-blown issue. It's not a lurking issue.

Again, the slight advantage of this becoming such a large issue is that, again, all of us are aware of this fact now. In the days gone by, it was only the contractor who used to grapple with this issue.

Now everybody's aware. More importantly, the clients are aware of this, the governments are aware of this.

This is leading to greater standardization wherein we can do a lot of work off-site, use more mechanization to reduce the impact on or reduce the dependency on labor. Then training is also something that we've started, but that's in a very nascent stage.

Have I answered your question or... Hello?

Lakshmi Narayanan

Yeah. Thank you so much, sir.

You have answered my question.

Shobhit Uppal

Yeah. Thank you.

Thank you so much.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Parvez Qazi from Nuvama.

Please go ahead.

Parvez Qazi

Hi. Good afternoon, sir, and thanks for...

Shobhit Uppal

Hi, Parvez. Hi.

Parvez Qazi

Hi. First, on this NGT issue, assuming let's say if it had not been there, what kind of execution would we have done in Q3?

Shobhit Uppal

What kind of execution? We would have stayed on course for a 15%-plus growth in our top line.

Parvez Qazi

Sure. Secondly, on the payment, etc., how do you see things now, especially from the government department?

In some of the other segments of infra, we have seen a slowdown in payments in FY '26. How is the situation in your government-funded projects?

Shobhit Uppal

A lot of our, or most of our government projects are central government projects. We're not really seeing much of a problem there, other than in the odd project here and there, like we're doing a central university project in the state of Himachal Pradesh, which is partly funded by the state and partly by the Centre.

There, we are facing some challenges. That project is nearing completion.

We are hoping to complete it in Q1 of FY '27. There is a bit of a challenge there.

We completed another hospital for the Centre and state government in again Himachal. The final payment there has been stuck for a while.

With the state of Himachal, there is a bit of an issue. We are also seeing some issues with the state of Assam.

I think that's also due to the fact that the machinery there has slowed down a bit on account of the impending elections. Otherwise, We haven't seen.

All our other slow-moving projects, be it for the state of Bihar or other states, they're okay now. We've got our payments.

Parvez Qazi

Sure. A couple of data points that I needed from Satbeer-ji.

What is our current gross borrowings?

Satbeer Singh

Gross borrowing is this is ₹22 crores, approx.

Parvez Qazi

What would be the cash level that we have currently?

Satbeer Singh

Cash balances, hold for a moment. Cash balance is ₹253 crores, and bank balances is ₹587 crores.

Parvez Qazi

What is the capex that we have done in Q3?

Satbeer Singh

In 9 months, we have incurred around ₹193 crores.

Parvez Qazi

Okay. Apart from this order book, are we L1 in any other project?

Satbeer Singh

Yes, we are L1 in 4 projects. This is amounting to ₹2,485 crores approx.

Parvez Qazi

Sure. Last question.

What is the status on the Chandigarh Station redevelopment project? Has work picked up there, or what is the status now?

Shobhit Uppal

Chandigarh station is nearing completion. We are targeting to complete it in Q1 FY '27.

The 2 stations, Panchkula and Chandigarh, have already been completed, and we have offered the client to take them over. Platform work is also substantially underway.

As I said, somewhere by May, we should be completing it.

Parvez Qazi

Sure, sir. Thanks, and all the best for the future.

Shobhit Uppal

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Mahesh Patil from ICICI Securities.

Please go ahead.

Mahesh Patil

Yeah. Hi, sir.

Sir, my first question is on the DLF Dahlias project. I think last time we guided for more than 100 CR of revenue in this fiscal and around 3 to 3.5 billion next year.

Are we on track for that for this year?

Shobhit Uppal

No. This year, it will be about 40% of that because new earthquake codes were put in place, and DLF has redesigned or is in the process of redesigning or doing the structural design again.

That is why a lot of work had to be redone obviously at the client's cost. That is why our target turnover is going to be lesser by March end.

We should be post Holi, we should be in a position to take up the work in real earnest. Their designs are coming in as we speak.

Mahesh Patil

Sir, what is the estimate for FY '27 from this project?

Shobhit Uppal

From Dahlias, for the next financial year, it remains what we had said last year.

Mahesh Patil

Okay. Sir, pollution issue, right?

Are we facing any challenges in the current month as well or because I think in the last...

Shobhit Uppal

You're not very clearly audible. Repeat that, please.

Mahesh Patil

Sir, I was asking in the last con-call in November, we highlighted that till that date, we were around 11% of margins. Apart from this GRAP issue, anything else that impacted our revenue and margins this quarter?

Mahesh Patil

Primarily it was GRAP only, as I said. Sir,

Mahesh Patil

was there any...

Shobhit Uppal

Hello. Come again.

Mahesh Patil

Yeah. Sir, was there any impact of this issue in the base quarter last year, Q3?

Shobhit Uppal

The impact of GRAP, you're talking about?

Mahesh Patil

Correct, sir. In the base quarter last year.

Shobhit Uppal

It was there, definitely, but it was lesser since our exposure now has increased to the NCR market.

Mahesh Patil

Okay. You mentioned around 40% of the order book is from NCR.

Shobhit Uppal

Yeah. More than 40% is now from NCR.

Mahesh Patil

Okay. Sir, for next year, if I may ask, what would be our revenue estimate from this NCR region for FY '27, any ballpark number?

Shobhit Uppal

It should be about 40%.

Satbeer Singh

40%, yes.

Mahesh Patil

40% of revenue estimate. Okay.

Sir. Thank you.

Shobhit Uppal

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Shravan Shah from Dolat Capital.

Please go ahead.

Shravan Shah

Hi. Thank you, sir.

Sir, a couple of questions and clarifications. In the fourth quarter, how much are we looking to do ₹1,400-odd crore kind of a revenue that we are looking at in this fourth quarter?

Satbeer Singh

Yes, yes. Exactly.

It would be 10%

Shobhit Uppal

to 15%. About ₹1,400 crores, yes.

Shravan Shah

Okay. Next full year, then we should be doing 20%

Shobhit Uppal

to 25%? I'd said 15% to 20% earlier.

Shravan Shah

Some recoup should be there in the FY '27 given the inflow is also on the higher side, sir.

Shobhit Uppal

It should be. I had also mentioned that this is a conservative estimate, that I think the recovery, what we've sort of lost out, 3, 4 percentage points, should be made up in the next financial year.

That's why I said 15% to 20%.

Shravan Shah

Okay. The margin for fourth quarter

Shobhit Uppal

should be... Our project, just to put things in context, more so with the Central Vista project, which has come in, will be a fast-moving project.

That is one project which the Central Vista projects are insulated from the GRAP impact. That should also contribute substantially to our turnover next year.

Shravan Shah

Yeah. I was about to ask that only.

This out of this...

Shobhit Uppal

I know you well, that's why I preempted you.

Shravan Shah

Yeah. Roughly how one can look at?

The overall timeline for Central Vista is 24 months, and in FY '27, can we see kind of a 40-odd percent of this ₹2,600 crore?

Shobhit Uppal

Initially time is going to be taken by designing. It's a large project, it's a very complex project.

Designing is already started. We are awaiting clearance from the authorities.

These are important buildings which are having to be demolished. They've yet not been vacated.

We should be billing at least 30%-plus in this year.

Shravan Shah

Okay. Got it.

In terms of the margin, Q4 and next year, 10% is doable or we can see even higher?

Shobhit Uppal

No, no, it is definitely doable.

Shravan Shah

Okay. Okay.

A possibility towards a 10.5% is there for next year?

Shobhit Uppal

Let's stick to 10%.

Shravan Shah

Okay. Okay.

Just to, sir, clarify this ₹9,500 crore-plus order inflow, this is excluding the GST, you are saying?

Satbeer Singh

No, sir. GST is included in that, that ₹603 crores.

Shravan Shah

603?

Satbeer Singh

Yes.

Shobhit Uppal

Is included in the figure of 9,562.

Shravan Shah

Okay. Okay.

If we remove that, then broadly ₹8,900-odd crore without GST.

Shobhit Uppal

Yes.

Shravan Shah

Okay. The L1 that we said ₹2,485, so that is also excluding GST or including?

Satbeer Singh

That is also including GST. Because mostly it's government projects, and that's why including GST.

Shravan Shah

Okay. These are 3 projects, last time we were having the 2 projects, Bhubaneswar University and RML Hospital Delhi?

Shobhit Uppal

These are 4 projects.

Satbeer Singh

4 projects.

Shravan Shah

Can you, sir, name it, all these 4 projects?

Shobhit Uppal

University, one is Assam Judicial Complex, one is Kota Airport.

Shravan Shah

Okay. Lastly, sir, balance sheet details: inventory, debtors, trade payable, and mobilization, retention, and unbilled?

Satbeer Singh

Debtors are ₹638 crores.

Shravan Shah

Okay.

Satbeer Singh

Retention ₹431 crores.

Shravan Shah

Okay.

Satbeer Singh

Mobilization ₹729 crores.

Shravan Shah

Okay.

Satbeer Singh

Trade payable ₹738 crores.

Shravan Shah

Sorry. 738 is what?

Trade payable.

Satbeer Singh

Creditors. Creditors.

Shravan Shah

Creditors. Yeah, 738.

Yeah.

Satbeer Singh

Inventory ₹359 crores.

Shravan Shah

359.

Satbeer Singh

Unbilled revenue ₹639 crores.

Shravan Shah

639 crores. In terms of the capex in the fourth quarter, ₹193 crores we have done, how much more we will be doing?

In

Satbeer Singh

this quarter, we have incurred ₹55 crores.

Shravan Shah

₹55 crores

Shobhit Uppal

more.

Shravan Shah

That is around

Shobhit Uppal

₹100 crores.

Satbeer Singh

About ₹100 crores. ₹100 crores.

Shravan Shah

Okay. Total, around ₹300 crore for the entire full year?

Shobhit Uppal

Yes,

Satbeer Singh

yes. Yes.

Shravan Shah

Next year also similar ₹300 crore?

Shobhit Uppal

Yes. Next year also similar.

Should be lesser actually because the order inflow that we've had now, more or less by the end of March, we would have catered to the capex for those projects.

Shravan Shah

Okay. Sir, this L1 most likely will be converted into LOA by this March, this ₹2,485-odd crore?

Shobhit Uppal

Can't say on all these jobs, really. It's very difficult because as we've seen, sometimes with government projects, especially state government projects, it takes a long time.

Shravan Shah

Okay. Next year then, apart from this, if I have to look at, can one look at ₹8,000, ₹9,000 crore similar run rate in terms of inflow for FY '27?

Shobhit Uppal

As I said, we are picking and choosing our projects. We have focus on residential is not there.

I think logically speaking, next year the inflow will be slightly lesser.

Shravan Shah

₹5,000, ₹6,000 crore?

Shobhit Uppal

Yes. Because our focus is going to be in increasing our efficiency and increasing our margins and doing delivery on the projects that we've bagged in this year and last year.

Shravan Shah

Yeah. Got it.

Got it, sir. Yeah.

That's it from my side. Thank you, and all the best.

Shobhit Uppal

Thank you. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Sandip Sabharwal from ASK Investment.

Please go ahead.

Sandip Sabharwal

I just want to find out about this new labor code provision. Most companies actually put this as a extraordinary expense.

You have, I think, included it in the labor and salary and wages. Ex of that, if you have to see what would have been the margins and the PAT, have you done some calculations?

Satbeer Singh

That is ₹1.31 crores, that has impacted during this 9 months due to introduction of the labor code.

Sandip Sabharwal

Satbeer

Shobhit Uppal

is saying the impact till December is ₹1 crore

Sandip Sabharwal

and 31 lakhs. All right, ₹1 crore 31, it's not ₹13 crores.

Okay.

Shobhit Uppal

No, ₹1 crore

Sandip Sabharwal

31 lakhs. Okay.

That's fine. Thanks.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Vaibhav Shah from JM Financial.

Please go ahead.

Vaibhav Shah

Yeah. Sir, what would be our bid pipeline as of now?

Shobhit Uppal

Bid pipeline as of now is about ₹7,000 crores.

Vaibhav Shah

Okay. Sir, in your guidance of ₹5,000 to ₹6,000 crores of inflow, does it include the L1 orders as well of around ₹2,500 crores?

Shobhit Uppal

It does.

Vaibhav Shah

Likely conversion would be in next year?

Shobhit Uppal

Yes.

Vaibhav Shah

Okay. Sir, secondly, on the Bihar Animal Husbandry project, when do we target to complete the project?

Because run rate has dropped down in last 2 to 3 quarters.

Shobhit Uppal

In FY '27. Because the area, it's an existing campus.

The new buildings are coming up as and when they are handing over or vacating existing old buildings. They are being demolished and the new ones are being constructed.

In the last quarter and a half, the vacation of these buildings has slowed down. This will definitely complete in FY '27 because part of the complex in this quarter has been inaugurated by the honorable CM and he's announced a date for completion of the entire campus.

We are reasonably confident in the next year it will be completed.

Vaibhav Shah

Okay. Sir, lastly on Gems and Jewellery, what is the timeline of construction, when do we intend to complete the project?

Shobhit Uppal

Vikas is on the call? Vikas, are you there?

You want to answer this question?

Operator

Sir, Vikas sir is not online.

Shobhit Uppal

Never mind. Completion of this job is about 3.5 years, if memory serves me right.

As I've mentioned earlier, we're going to start billing in Q1 FY '27. The work will start on the ground.

Since this is an EPC job, engineering is already happening.

Vaibhav Shah

Okay. Okay.

Thank you, sir.

Shobhit Uppal

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Rachit from IThought PMS.

Please go ahead.

Hi. Am I audible?

Shobhit Uppal

Yes, you are.

Thanks. Sir, with regards to CSMT project, is there any delay relative to the original timeline?

Shobhit Uppal

Yes, there is a delay. There is a huge delay.

As I had been explained in the earlier calls, the entire design of this project had to be redone because conceptual design which was given by the tender was not tenable. Certain aspects of that design were not tenable on the ground.

That designing is complete, work is now moving at a fast clip there. That's why there's a delay.

Can that result in any cost overruns for us, like lower margins in this project for us?

Shobhit Uppal

Yes, there has been an impact on the cost, but as we move along, we are hopeful that some of these costs will be mitigated either through extra work or through extra claim.

Okay. Can there be any penalties as well?

Shobhit Uppal

No, we've got the extension of time owing to the delays till now, which are not attributable to us, has been granted.

That has been amicably agreed upon?

Shobhit Uppal

Yes. What happens in all government contracts is that there is a hindrance register which is maintained and which is jointly signed off, which helps establish the delays which are not attributable to the contractor.

Generally, these are finally quantified towards the end or the last stage of the project. In this project, since the delays have been quite large and very obviously not attributable to us, up until now the extension of time has been granted.

Sure. The margins on this project were same as company-level margins going into the project, or since it was a marquee project, we bid at a lower margin?

Shobhit Uppal

No, these were similar to the company-wide margins that we target. In fact, because the competition on this job was lesser because the scale of the job, only the larger players were there.

We had bidded with the same margin that we keep for our other projects or other blue-chip projects. I think that's it.

Have I answered your question or is something left?

Yeah.

Shobhit Uppal

Yeah.

One more related to this. Given it's a very complex project, a lot of traffic at the station.

Do you envisage any delays in execution because of that reason in the future?

Shobhit Uppal

You are right. Because while the buildings, the greenfield buildings, the DRM or the node building, or the other buildings, we don't envisage any further delay.

Platforms or doing them up or concourses, that depends on the shutdown, which is given to us. It's very hard to predict.

Yes, generally going by our experience at Chandigarh railway station, there may be some delays there.

Okay. Those delays can again cost overruns or that has been budgeted in or how is that?

Shobhit Uppal

Those have been budgeted in to some extent.

Okay. All right.

Sir, you just mentioned that Gems and Jewellery will start from April and the timeline original was probably 2.5 years to 3 years. That timeline will begin from April, or it has already started from the time of...

Shobhit Uppal

No, it'll begin from April. It'll begin from April.

It will begin from April. Okay.

Understood. One last one.

Given the pollution-related construction ban in Delhi has been happening for the last 2, 3 years and it is affecting our top-line growth and the guidance that we give, we need to revise it downward. Now my question relates to the next year where we are saying 15% to 20% growth.

Do you think that we might have to again revise it downward or we are budgeting in 10 or 9 months of construction activity only in Delhi while we give this guidance for FY '27?

Shobhit Uppal

No, no, we're not budgeting in only 10 or 9 months of this thing. What I had said earlier was, while some impact will be there, but we are hopeful that this year, this year or next year, because the entire ecosystem is totally sensitized and much more aware about this issue, every constituent of this ecosystem is working to mitigate its effects.

We are hopeful that this time around, the effects will be lesser, much lesser.

Sure. Sure.

I hope so, and that's the case because we were hoping that FY '26 will also have much lesser impact, but it turned out to be the opposite. Just...

Shobhit Uppal

You're right. It's not only impacted the top line, it's also impacted our profitability.

Because, while we bagged a lot of large orders and to execute those large orders, our overhead costs had also gone up. In the short term, our profitability has been hit.

The silver lining is that now going forward, not only are we well-stocked on on on our order book, but we are also well-equipped every which way to, ramp up our execution speed. Hopefully, next year we will make up for We are very optimistic that we'll make up for the shortfall that we've encountered this year.

Sure. Sure, sir.

Thank you so much, and wish you all the best.

Shobhit Uppal

Really appreciate

answering all the questions.

Shobhit Uppal

Thank you. Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Ankit, an individual investor.

Please go ahead.

Yeah. Hi.

Good evening, sir. I see the results for this quarter, I see a subcontract work as well as other expenses are substantially high, almost 30% year-on-year, which are very similar to our Q2 numbers.

The first question is, is there a substantial reason to it apart from the NGT issue which has been discussed already?

Shobhit Uppal

Just a second, please. Let me take a look at the numbers.

Satbeer Singh

You are asking about in comparison to which quarter?

The same quarter last year, sir, the subcontract work as well as other expenses.

Satbeer Singh

Just if you have to see including cost of material and other expenses as subcontract, then you will find that is at par. Because our PAT is also approximately on the similar lines.

6.90% was the last year and now 6.85%.

Right. That has...

Satbeer Singh

Basically, you have to include entire things: subcontract, construction expenses, and cost of material. Then you will find a appropriate answer.

Fair enough. Fair enough.

Satbeer Singh

Thank you.

The second question I just had was there have been news of lately on increasing steel prices. Does that impact you on Q4 onwards?

Because in the last call, we discussed that we will use or we normally use our cash positions to sort of hedge against the supply chain costs. Is there something which we see as an inflation in terms of raw material costs, or have we already hedged it?

Shobhit Uppal

No, the inflation definitely is there, but in the pricing of cement and steel, this is pass-through because in all our contracts or most of our contracts, there are base prices for these materials. There is an indirect impact on account of increase in steel prices because of the other material, our equipment that we buy, be it tower cranes, be it mixers, transit mixers, on and so forth, scaffolding, aluminum shuttering.

There is an impact on account of this pricing.

Sure. This were two questions I had.

Thank you.

Shobhit Uppal

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Samrat Sarkar, an individual investor.

Please go ahead.

Samrat Sarkar

Hello. Am I audible?

Shobhit Uppal

Yes, you are.

Samrat Sarkar

Yeah. Sir, I just wanted to know why your other employee expenses are as compared to your percentage of revenues is so high this quarter or as compared to last year?

In

Satbeer Singh

this basically provision as per the ECL method has been made around ₹3 crores, that's why there is a slightly difference.

Samrat Sarkar

Okay. Okay.

Okay. When do you expect your operating margins to be 10% from which financial year onwards?

Satbeer Singh

This will be double digit.

Samrat Sarkar

Okay. Okay.

Okay. That's it, sir.

Thank you so much. Thank you.

All the best.

Shobhit Uppal

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. A reminder to all participants to press star and one to ask a question.

Ladies and gentlemen, if you wish to ask a question, you may press star and one. The next question is from the line of Shravan Shah from Dolat Capital.

Please go ahead.

Shravan Shah

Sir, how much value of projects that we have already bidded and is outcome is yet to come?

Shobhit Uppal

Shravan, that's a number that we don't have handy at the moment. L1 we've already told you, it's 2,485.

The other value is more on the private sector side. Can we get back to you on that number?

That's not going to be substantial. As I said, we're not focusing on the residential side.

Primarily government projects hi hote hain. Usme L1 aa gaya, woh aapko number humne de diya.

Jo jobs jo abhi khule nahi hain, government projects tender, woh abhi I don't have that figure handy. We'll get back to you on that.

Shravan Shah

No issues. Jo apna, sir, abhi jo private, government ka jo abhi order book ka share, which is at 68%, which is a private.

Last time we said that we want it to reduce to 60%. Till December, that is 60:40.

Shobhit Uppal

Actually yeh even ho gaya aur. If you take the Central Vista, which is come in after December, it will be about

Shravan Shah

60:40. 60% private, 40%

Shobhit Uppal

government.

Shravan Shah

Now we will keep it at this level or we want to it to at 50:50 going forward?

Shobhit Uppal

Going forward, dekho 50:50 ke kareeb hi le ke aayenge, but it's very difficult to say whether it will be 55:45, whether it will be 60:40 one way or the other, or 40:60. It will be quite even.

Shravan Shah

Okay. Okay.

Okay. Got it, sir.

Got it. Thank you, sir.

Shobhit Uppal

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Rahul Kumar from Vaikarya Fund.

Please go ahead.

Rahul Kumar

Hello.

Shobhit Uppal

Yeah. Hi.

Rahul Kumar

Hi. Just one question, sir.

Is there any impact of the new labor code on our contract labor front? If yes, what is the impact?

Shobhit Uppal

I think we have answered this question. ₹1.31 crores in absolute numbers up to December.

Rahul Kumar

No, I understand, sir. This is for the our employee base, right?

I was just wondering the outsourced labor, is

Shobhit Uppal

that... That's include outsourced labor.

Rahul Kumar

Okay.

Shobhit Uppal

Whatever it is, yes.

Rahul Kumar

Okay. Okay.

Shobhit Uppal

Outsourced labor is generally we for labor rate works, we have petty contractors, right? There it's rate per unit the work is contracted out to them.

This impact going forward is in the rates that is agreed with them. It becomes very difficult to quantify this.

Have I been able to articulate? Have you understood?

Rahul Kumar

Yes, sir. Understood.

I was just trying to understand from bidding point of view or pricing point of view for going forward, how does this impact us?

Shobhit Uppal

As far as labor is concerned, due to its scarce availability and diminishing skills, the quarter-on-quarter, the when we bid for a job, we see we're seeing that the unit rates are on the increase every 3 months or 4 months. They are far more than what the governments are recognizing.

We are putting we have we're sort of accounting for this increase based on the past data, past 1 year or past 2 years. We are extrapolating that data and using it to sort of hike our bids also.

Rahul Kumar

Okay. Understood.

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Munir Shamadia, an individual investor.

Please go ahead.

Munir Shamadia

Hello.

Shobhit Uppal

Yeah. Hi.

Munir Shamadia

Thank you, sir, for the opportunity. Sir, in the Q2 presentation, year-to-date order was ₹4,374 crores, and in Q3 presentation, it is ₹9,565 crores.

In the meanwhile, we have received two orders of ₹3,070 crores and ₹888 crores. Still there is a difference of around ₹1,200 crores.

Have we received any other order?

Shobhit Uppal

I don't have that data handy. Satbeer, you can reach out to Satbeer.

We'll provide you that detail.

Munir Shamadia

Sir. Okay.

Thank you, sir.

Shobhit Uppal

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from Ankit, an individual investor.

Please go ahead.

Shravan Shah

Yeah. Thanks for the opportunity again.

I just wanted to ask a couple of points. One is on Q2 presentation, we had mentioned Whiteland Corporation is around order value of around ₹1,065 crore, which in the Q3 presentation has come up to be ₹821 crore.

Is there a change here? That's the first question.

Shobhit Uppal

I think there is a mismatch. The 1,060 includes GST.

Shravan Shah

Okay.

Shobhit Uppal

The 821 is without GST.

Shravan Shah

Okay. Okay.

The second question was that what type of benefits in terms of operational, financial, or any other organizational benefits we would like to extract from the action of subsidiaries which are getting merged into the parent company?

Shobhit Uppal

No, these are the subsidiaries which own a tract of land in Kolkata, which has been on our books for a long time. As we have been mentioning in our investor interaction, we are now looking to leverage this land.

To do that, we have applied for necessary clearances. For those clearances to go through, amalgamation of this land is required.

That is why we are merging these companies with the parent company.

Munir Shamadia

Sure, sir. Thank you.

Shobhit Uppal

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from the line of Samrat Sarkar, an individual investor.

Please go ahead.

Samrat Sarkar

Sir, thank you for the follow-up. I just wanted to know when do you expect the growth to be in mid 15% or 20% growth annually from the current 10% growth?

From this year onwards or from the next FY '27 you expect this growth to be much better, sales growth?

Shobhit Uppal

The sales growth or top-line growth, as I said, between 15% to 20%, we are extremely hopeful it'll be there in the next financial year.

Samrat Sarkar

Sir. That's great.

Thank you, sir. Thank you.

All the best.

Shobhit Uppal

Thank you.

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, we take that as the last question of the day. Now I would like to hand the conference over to the management for closing comments.

Shobhit Uppal

Thanks. Thank you, everybody, for joining in.

Hopefully, we've answered all your queries. If there is any more questions, feel free to reach out to Mr.

Satbeer Singh, our CFO, and hope to see you again in a few months' time. Thank you.

Bye.

Operator

On behalf of Ambit Capital Private Limited, that concludes this conference. Thank you for joining us, and you may now disconnect your lines.