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Q2 FY2026 · Earnings Call TranscriptJuly 10, 2026

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Henrik Høye

Hello, welcome to the presentation of second quarter 2026 results for Protector. If you have any questions, please ask them through email address [email protected] during the presentation, and we will answer at the end.

As always, we have started the day with all employees, which in the Oslo office were very few. What we then speak about is our culture related to targets and performance.

With Protector changing, with the world changing, we have been focusing on defining what the challenger means in 2030 for some time. Today, one of the focus areas was to link our values to that vision, which is about data, people, and innovation.

We have one value that is different from the others in that it is something we say we are, and it is committed. One thing it is important that we are committed to and that will not change is our performance culture.

Our performance culture is one of the reasons why we are different. This goes every day, but also in recruitment.

If you don't like our performance culture, then you probably shouldn't start in Protector. We've linked that especially to data and AI, which will be a part of our performance support structure, which is a monthly run-through in the teams where you look at results and performance on an individual and a team level and give each other feedback so that we can learn from what is done well and what mistakes we've done.

It's a structure where we can add on elements that are changing around us. Data is obviously a part of it, but technology is a bit more difficult to quantify.

We will add that to the structure for all employees. To the results.

Q2 is a very strong profitability quarter, 81.5% combined ratio. The growth is on the weaker side, but we have communicated most of the growth, which is related to the 1st of April inception date in the U.K.

previously. The strong insurance service result, together with the investment result, gives a NOK 9 per share result.

The other highlights here is we have confirmed, or AM Best has confirmed our credit rating, so with a stable outlook. The dividend, I can get back to through the capital site.

When it comes to the growth, so most of it is U.K. and most of it is 1st of April.

We look at the local currency growth because that's what says something about what is going on in the different markets. We've always done that.

We grow in all markets. In the U.K., we have a situation where public sector, especially the local authorities, municipalities, are not out in the market due to a waiting game for the LGR, the local government reorganization or reform.

We don't see as much business there. In addition to that, it is the softening market that I have talked about previously and that is well known.

Rates are going down. It's a similar situation in the biggest markets in the quarter, U.K.

and Sweden, where we lose some existing clients and one part of it is about discipline. We can even know what rate we need to go to, get a chance to get to that rate, competitors are too far below the price that we think is profitable, we have to let it go.

That's one part of it. On the rest of the portfolio, we managed to get price increases, at least to counter claims inflation.

The renewal process is running well. Obviously, there are some unprofitable clients that go out.

Our renewal rate in the quarter is 88%, and it's mostly driven by the factors that I have mentioned in the U.K. and Sweden.

On the new sales side, we have the reduced volume in U.K. public sector.

We see more in the commercial sector. We have quoted quite a lot of real estate business, not with inception dates in Q2.

That's more for Q3, and potentially some Q3 clients. We see quite a lot of volume in the commercial sector.

In the Scandinavian countries, Sweden has come further on the facilities with the brokers, where brokers put together larger groups of clients. That has been longer in Sweden than it has in Norway and Denmark.

Sweden is having success, especially on the motor side, in these facilities, and is back on a growth path after being a slower growth in that market. In Norway and Denmark, we are lagging on seeing the volume that we should see from the facilities that we already have access to and have won previously.

That is also something that we believe will come, but there is work to do in order to make it work, both on our side and on the broker side. We have won the biggest client that we have ever won in the U.K.

It's a motor client. It is one because it is large enough that it is difficult to be irrational.

Most competitors and us will come to the same conclusion when it comes to calculating the claims forecast. This is a margin game, but mostly a cost game.

A client like this should be Protector territory, and we should win it, and especially when it is possible to have a good long-term agreement that is transparent always, then the cost leader should win. We're happy to win that client, and we will also use a client like this, which is a large fleet of homogenous drivers and cars, to work on how we can reduce the average claim size and make claims handling better.

It's easier when you have a large client like that. We have some good projects on making that client a success.

Obviously, we can be wrong in what we have calculated. There is risk in getting that type of a client on board.

We're very happy that we won that client. That's Q3 effect.

When it comes to the claims, as I said, it is a very strong quarter, but we have lower than a normal level of large losses in the quarter. 4.6% is comparable to the 8% normalized level that we usually do.

In addition to that, we have run-off gains in the quarter at 4%. Adjusting for those on the total level gives you a slightly improved loss ratio compared to Q2 2025.

In a market that is softening, rates are going down, it is not necessarily an improvement that you're looking for. More like a stable situation.

We have a portfolio we are very comfortable with. It is property that has the best loss ratio in all countries except for Denmark, where we have some large losses.

Motor, where we have had some profitability issues previously, is improving in Norway and Sweden, where Denmark is still experiencing some issues, we need to make adjustments. There are some medium-sized losses in that portfolio as well, but it is necessary to make some price adjustments there.

The same in Norway, but not to the same. No, U.K., sorry.

The same in U.K., where we have had poor profitability over some time on the motor product. We still need to increase prices and make adjustments to get back to profitability, a good profitability level there.

On a longer level, you can see that we have not changed our view on what a normalized level of large losses is. 8% is still our view, and run-off should be stable.

As I've mentioned previously, when there is more uncertainty in inflation and extraordinary inflation, which we've had historically, then uncertainty creates a bit more volatility and most likely on the side that we see now, that there will be some run-off gains. It is best estimate always, both for the case reserving and for our other reserving practice.

We need to expect volatility on a quarterly level and even on an annual level. The last thing that I haven't talked about is cost is very stable.

This is a conscious choice that we use the excess capacity we have from efficiency improvements to develop and use that capacity in projects to look at new markets and to make our work smarter, better processes and obviously data and technology. That is our main focus going forward.

The cost compared to last year is, if you correct for or normalize for the long-term bonus plan, which we have done for some time now, which is connected to the share price, there is a slight reduction for the second quarter, on the cost side. It's very flat on the first half year.

On the investment side, there is not a lot going on. There's a lot going on in the world, but not here.

The bond portfolio is slightly down on yield due to spread tightening. Our companies in the equity portfolio have had a okay to good reporting quarter one.

No large changes here. For the income statement, I think that there's one figure here that can catch someone's eyes.

That is the reinsurance ratio, as we've said previously, that will be volatile. We have some reinsurance that is commission-based, we don't book a commission in the first two quarters.

If it continues to run well, we will start booking that in quarter three and quarter four. The other thing is that we have not had basically any recoveries from reinsurance in the quarter.

Previous reinsurance contracts, including Workers' Comp Denmark, have given some recoveries continuous because they are more on an attritional basis than the excess of loss contracts we have now. That's the reason.

Should expect that to be lower in quarter three and quarter four. This is normal practice and the right practice.

On the capital side, obviously the capital increases with the result for the quarter and the requirement increases with the growth in the balance sheet. Then we're back to the summary.

It's a short run-through of results now, and the question is, did we get any questions, Amund?

Henrik Høye

Amund Grønvold Skoglund

Yes, we have some questions. You've talked a bit about some, answered some of them already.

Could you kind of add some color on the expected profitability on this large new client in U.K.?

Amund Grønvold Skoglund

Henrik Høye

Our long-term target is below 91% combined ratio, and all clients should be there. What we have to do in a situation like this is to include the long-term view, meaning that the first-year profitability is above the long-term target.

Over time, it should be close to the long-term target. Obviously, we can make mistakes here, and it's a large client.

Henrik Høye

Amund Grønvold Skoglund

Yeah. You're talking about the softening on soft U.K.

market. What should kind of be a reasonable expectation on premium growth going forward in existing markets?

I have a separate question on real estate.

Amund Grønvold Skoglund

Henrik Høye

I think that the important thing that we work on is that we have enough opportunities so that we can see as much business in relevant segments as possible. We have the broker partners that are important to us, that we have chosen and that have chosen us, and we have our segments.

To see as much as possible in them, to quote as much as possible is what we can do anything about because the issue is that we don't know where that market will go. The market has been softening in the U.K.

for a long time in certain segments. We don't really see that it can do that forever, because it's at unprofitable levels.

If it is for us when we quote, then it must be for many others also with higher cost levels. How long it takes, don't know.

In the Scandinavian market, it's about the facilities at the moment. That's the large opportunities, and that's a partnership that needs to work before it comes.

France is very stable from what we have seen before, and it's a lot about 1st of January. Nothing we know about that date right now.

Obviously, it's very interesting to see if housing changes from last year where we didn't win any or very little. We don't know.

Can't really do anything about it.

Henrik Høye

Amund Grønvold Skoglund

Thank you. On the real estate in U.K., you mentioned that we have quoted some this quarter for Q3 and Q4.

Can you say something more about the momentum there?

Amund Grønvold Skoglund

Henrik Høye

Yeah. We did say that it would be towards the end of this year that we're ready to really quote.

We obviously have recruited some experience into that team, which will be in place after summer. We have received a good amount of data.

We are not at all seeing everything from the brokers that we are working at the moment, and we're not quoting all of what we're seeing. We are gradually working towards that situation.

I expect that in quarter 4, maybe we will see 50%. We'll start really getting some traction, and then we'll quote a share of that.

What we'll win, we don't know. The first impression of the market is that rates are quite soft at the moment, just like the property segment in the U.K.

in general. Not at unprofitable levels everywhere.

Henrik Høye

We are winning some clients.

Amund Grønvold Skoglund

We have had a couple of quarters with higher run-off gains. Could you say something about which vintages they come from or products some more?

Amund Grønvold Skoglund

Henrik Høye

They basically come from our largest products, property and motor. Parts of it on property can be from larger claims that end up being smaller than what we reserved them at from the beginning.

Sometimes for good solutions or cash settlements rather than rebuilding. This quarter, there is some of that.

The rest is most likely more on that inflation comment that I mentioned previously, that when you have high uncertainty on inflation, we need to add uncertainty. It's a slightly higher probability that we're on the upside than on the downside in our best estimates.

Henrik Høye

Amund Grønvold Skoglund

A question on the cost ratio linked to the growth in Sweden, seeing that the commission share has trended upwards recent years in Sweden. Can you just say something about what's driving that?

Amund Grønvold Skoglund

Henrik Høye

That's the facility growth in Sweden where these facilities are also, it's not necessarily a running commission rate that will be high on the facilities, but to establish them and get the processes up and running, that is higher. When we get traction there, then the commission is higher.

That's part of the facility setup and investment.

Henrik Høye

Amund Grønvold Skoglund

On the improvement in Norway, especially on seemingly motor, you mentioned in Q1 that some of the new sales going into the year was poor. Is that performing better, or are there other explanations for the improvement in Norway?

Amund Grønvold Skoglund

Henrik Høye

We haven't had time to do a thorough analysis, obviously, a short time since we're done with the quarter here. What I also mentioned after the first quarter is that the first thing is to confront the brutal facts, and then we need to understand whether there are coincidences or volatility that drives a result as poor as it was in the first quarter motor Norway.

What it looks like is that parts of it was volatility and that it is better than we initially feared. As I said, we haven't had time to really run through.

Frequency is normalized following quarter two, and then it's more on the average claim size and understanding inflation that we haven't done a thorough analysis. Can't give a clear answer, but we will see throughout the next quarters.

Henrik Høye

Amund Grønvold Skoglund

Thank you. I have a question on motor.

It represents roughly one third of the portfolio currently, mainly from commercial and public. Can you assess what's our assessment and how do we prepare for the long-term impact of technology and autonomous vehicles in the business, particularly risk of lower accident frequency, shrinking motor premium liability shifting from fleet owners to vehicle manufacturers and software providers?

What do we do and how do we assess that?

Amund Grønvold Skoglund

Henrik Høye

We do the same as we do for all types of risks that are outside. We are listing everything we're afraid of and then prioritizing what we believe are the biggest risks, and then we act on them to reduce them.

In this case, so many of the elements that were mentioned in the questions are obviously risks that we can see and that we, to a certain degree, are seeing. We can't really stop the development.

The development needs to happen, and then it's about what type of pricing do we do if the risks change in general. If you have vehicles in commercial sector, I heard that the public sector was mentioned, but that could be public sector as well, that are utilized much more.

Because you don't need drivers, you can utilize the vehicle throughout the night and have a lot more miles on it. That will have to be something that we implement in order to price for it.

The same deliveries will be done for a transportation company, or most likely, it will have the same total premium and claims. We have tested technologies.

We've tested having portfolios with technology to learn from what that means and how that can be used. That was, in Sweden, an expensive learning, but we have learned something from that.

In general, we follow our clients, large clients, closely and work together with them in order to find out what are the biggest risks. If the motor market disappears, then it disappears, then we will have to find other ways of doing, but that's also a risk that we put up there.

Not a very high probability in our view, but that doesn't really matter. It's what can we do in order to prepare for it, and we have lots of actions related to that.

Henrik Høye

Amund Grønvold Skoglund

Thank you. One more question.

When will you enter a new country, and what country is most likely?

Amund Grønvold Skoglund

Henrik Høye

We are working on the project with new markets, we are speaking with brokers. We are doing research.

We are seeing that we can do the research very efficiently using technology and also most likely manage to set up efficiently in more than one country at the time. There is no change from what I have mentioned previously.

We did start in Spain, then we stopped. We have come the furthest in the Spanish market, so that's easier to pick up.

That gives a higher probability that Spain will be the first one. Poland looks more like all the other markets we are in because public sector looks very accessible.

That's a reason why Poland could be an early country, Germany looks a bit more challenging to find the right partners and data, Italy is somewhere in between them. We're also looking at some other countries, including continuing the soft approach towards U.S.

excess markets, which we also have been looking into and I have mentioned before. Nothing specific and no conclusions, but we're working on it, and it's fun, and it's interesting to work on new markets, and we're getting more confident with how France is developing, of course.

Henrik Høye

Amund Grønvold Skoglund

Thank you. No further questions.

Amund Grønvold Skoglund

Henrik Høye

All right. Thank you very much.

Wish you a good summer.