Sandy Spring Bancorp, Inc.

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Q4 FY2011 · Earnings Call TranscriptJanuary 26, 2012

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Operator

Good afternoon, and welcome to the Sandy Spring Bancorp, Inc. Earnings Webcast and Conference Call for Fourth Quarter 2011.

[Operator Instructions] Please note this event is being recorded.

Operator

I would now like to turn the conference over to President and Chief Executive Officer, Daniel J. Schrider.

Mr. Schrider, please go ahead, sir.

Daniel Schrider

Thank you, Mike, and good afternoon, everyone, and welcome to Sandy Spring Bancorp’s conference call to discuss our performance for the fourth quarter of 2011. This is Dan Schrider speaking.

And today, I’m joined here by Phil Mantua, our Chief Financial Officer; and Ron Kuykendall, General Counsel for Sandy Spring Bancorp.

Daniel Schrider

As always, today’s call is open to all investors, analysts and the news media and there will be a live webcast of today’s call and a replay of the call available at our website, beginning later on today. We will take your questions after a brief review of some key highlights.

But before we get started, Ron will give the customary Safe Harbor statement.

Ronald Kuykendall

Thank you, Dan. Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen.

Sandy Spring Bancorp will make forward-looking statements in this webcast that are subject to risk and uncertainties. These forward-looking statements include statements of goals, intentions, earnings and other expectations, estimates of risk and future cost and benefits, estimates of probable loan and leased losses, assessments of market risk and statements of the ability to achieve financial and other goals.

Ronald Kuykendall

These forward-looking statements are subject to significant uncertainties, because they are based upon or affected by management’s estimates and projections of future interest rates, market behavior and other economic conditions, future laws and regulations and a variety of other matters, which by their very nature are subject to significant uncertainties. Because of these uncertainties, Sandy Spring Bancorp’s actual future results may differ materially from those indicated.

In addition, the company’s past results of operation do not necessarily indicate its future results.

Daniel Schrider

Thank you, Ron. We produced another good profitable quarter net income for the fourth quarter of 2011 was $7.3 million or $0.30 per diluted share, albeit a bit lower when compared to net income of $8.3 million or $0.34 per diluted share for the fourth quarter of 2010.

And net income of $11.3 million or $0.47 per diluted share for the linked third quarter of 2011. For the full year of 2011, we earned $34.1 million or $1.41 per diluted share which we’re very pleased to note was up 45% and compared to net income of $23.5 million or $1.05 a share for the prior year of 2010.

Daniel Schrider

In this banking environment, an increase of 45% and year-over-year net income is very encouraging for us. There are few factors that impacted the fourth quarter financial results that I’d like to address.

These include an increase provision expense over the third quarter provision credit. A substantial loan growth, increase incentive compensation expense and additional cost associated with the disposal of OREO properties.

Obviously the loan loss provision is a top of that list. The provision for the fourth quarters of both 2011 and 2010 amounted to a charge of $2.3 million in each quarter compared to a credit of $3.5 million for the third quarter of 2011.

At the very end of the third quarter, we had a substantive increase in our NPA number. This was due to the addition of one large commercial real estate credit that we identified as an addition to NPAs, just as we are closing out the quarter.

And as I mentioned last quarter, it’s a $13.5 million real estate loan that’s the majority of a borrower relationship totaling about $16 million. Then within a matter of several days into the fourth quarter, further deterioration of the borrower caused a reevaluation of the credit relationship which resulted in a need to increase our overall provision for the fourth quarter to much higher level.

So the end result was that while overall non-performing assets decreased in the fourth quarter. The provision expense actually went up, due to the movement of that one large relationship to NPAs status right at the end of the third quarter and the subsequent reevaluation of the asset.

Looking at the annual impact the provision expense of the full year of 2011 totaled $1.4 million compared to very much larger charge of $25.9 million for 2010. So obviously lower provisioning over the course of this past year helps drive improved results for 2011.

A second area to touch on in the fourth quarter is loan growth. As I mentioned in our release we’re very encouraged with the lending activities, as we closed out the fourth quarter.

We had a very large increase in the loan production, within the last 2 weeks of the year about $60 million of new commercial outstandings all closed and funded that based on our allowance methodology resulted in a corresponding further addition to provision expense.

To provide a little more insight on the nature of the loan production the majority of new loan production was a result of a healthy and growing organic loan pipeline, and more aggressive and successful sales efforts by our commercial banking teams throughout the year. Both of which should remain solid forces as we move through 2012.

Approximately 20% of the $60 million in loan growth came as a result of a seasonal drawn down of lines of credit within out government contracting customer segment. In addition to the impact of the loan growth had a provision expense, there was a corresponding impact on the salary and benefit expense, why?

Because much of this new lending activity drove increases in incentive compensation. Thus, you’re going to see a bit of an increase in our salary expense, not the result of an increase in head count, but rather the timing of incentive accruals due to year end increases of loan balances.

And lastly, which is also related to expense increase, involve the disposal of a good number of OREO properties through a series of auctions during the fourth quarter. There was approximately 600,000 in expense related disposition of OREO properties, resulting as you could see and a meaningful reduction in OREO balances.

I hope this is meaningful background to help you get behind the fourth quarter numbers. And just to touch on a few other financial highlights without repeating what’s already in our press release from earlier today, and we just hit a few.

The net interest margin came in at 3.51% for the fourth quarter of 2011 compared to 3.61% for the fourth quarter of 2010 and 3.53% for the third quarter of 2011.

Customer funding sources, which includes deposits and other short-term borrowings from customers were ahead 3% compared to the fourth quarter of 2010. And this increase was driven encouragingly by a 15% increase in non-interest bearing and interest bearing checking accounts, which more than offset a 7% plan decline in CDs due to ongoing rate reductions under our net interest margin strategy.

Revenue from wealth management services which includes fees from trust and investment management and sales of investment products increased 7% for the fourth quarter of 2011 compared to the fourth quarter of 2010. There was very healthy growth in average assets under management, as we continue to add new clients and better market conditions helped us produce more favorable returns.

On the capital front, tangible common equities stood at a healthy $351.3 million at December 31 compared to $326.8 million at December 31, 2010. Tangible equity, common equity to tangible assets was at 9.68% at year end, and at December 31, 2011 the company had total risk based capital ratio of 15.38%, a Tier 1 risk based capital ratio of 14.57% and the Tier 1 leverage ratio of 10.84%.

It is clear that during this prolonged economic recovery, an unprecedented lower rate environment, key priorities for 2012 include improvement in our earning asset yield via loan growth and management of corporate efficiency in as many ways as prudently possible.

And shifting to some non-financial highlights, we announced in December on the 20th, our acquisition of Annapolis, Maryland based CommerceFirst Bancorp a 200 -- just shy of $205 million in total assets. And its principal operating unit CommerceFirst Bank and a stock in cash transaction that was validate approximately $25.4 million.

It is relatively small transaction but we believe a very meaningful one, that we expect to close in the second quarter and will be immediately accretive. The acquisition will add approximately $205 million in total assets, $181 million in gross loans and a $180 million in total deposits before purchase accounting adjustments.

The additional branches will expand Sandy Spring’s presence in Anne Arundel, Howard and Prince George’s Counties in central Maryland, where CommerceFirst currently operates 5 branch offices. We see this situation as a great new source of small business and commercial loans, and we like the branch model which functions very cost effectively as a series of commercial loan production offices, that also offer full service customer convenience.

It’s a bit on a nontraditional model, that’s very intriguing to us. We see this as a good way to fill in our network with a very logical deal, and we like to continue to pursue similar fill in acquisitions in other areas of our core geography.

The CommerceFirst President and CEO Rick Morgan, he will join Sandy Spring as Market President for the Greater Annapolis region and will help build upon the banks presence in the Prince George’s County market as well.

On another note we added to our senior level talents and 2 other significant areas. We hired Nina Baranchuck as Vice President and Chief Investment Officer of the bank’s Investment Management and Fiduciary Services division.

She will be developing investment strategies for the bank’s Trust Division and overseeing the portfolio of management function. Nina brings over 25 years of investment and asset management experience to Sandy Spring.

We also hired Denise Stokes the Senior Vice President and Director of Marketing. She joined Sandy Spring bank with more than 30 years of experience in financial services managing various aspects of banking such as retail, small business, consumer lending and mortgage.

Denise will be responsible for coordinating the bank’s marketing efforts and enhancing the company’s brand and image.

So that wraps up my comments as we covered most of the other key financial highlights and statistics in our press release today, and we’ll now move on to your questions. Mike we can now have the first question.

But we would appreciate it if you would state your name and company affiliation as you come on, so we know with whom we are speaking.

Operator

[Operator Instructions] The first question we have comes from Mike Shafir of Sterne Agee.

Mike Shafir

I’m just kind of -- in terms of thinking about the provision moving forward, certainly with some of the growth that you guys kind of have outlined or you have the potential growth. I’m assuming that there is going to be some additions to that provision line as a function of that, but how should we kind of think about it relative to 2011 because it’s been, it’s fluctuated quite a bit?

Daniel Schrider

Yes, Mike. This is Dan and that little bit of noise in the quarter obviously makes that a little bit more difficult to determine.

Just to give you a sense of the provision expense that we did experience in the fourth quarter, and this may be a question that others have as well. About 35% of that provision expense was associated with growth, that we achieved in the quarter just to give you a sense.

Other noise within the allowance methodology had to do with obviously movements and reevaluations of credits that I mentioned, as well as the impact of historical loss factors continuing to move in the right direction for us. So I don’t -- I do think it would be safe to assume that based on our expectations if loan growth continues, that we would not be as bumpy with the credit evolvement as we move forward.

Although possible if there under certain circumstances, but we think on a more normalized basis it should be a little more steady obviously absent spikes and growth. I don’t know if I’m answering your question...

Mike Shafir

No, no I think -- it’s been very helpful in terms of kind of breaking out what piece of it was related to the larger relationship, and then also kind of how what do you guys are setting aside for growth. And then just what are kind of are the loan growth expectations for the year, you’ve seen a robust pipeline, it seems like and this quarter was certainly very healthy.

So can we see is it going to be kind of a low single digit scenario potentially in 2012 or mid single digits?

Daniel Schrider

Yes, good question, Mike. We feel obviously still have while we’ve had tremendous success on the NPA front, obviously we’re still working hard at reducing some of those numbers.

So our best thinking right now based upon how we finished up the year is probably a mid single-digit loan growth expectation.

Operator

The next question we have comes from David Peppard of Janney.

David Peppard

Since we’re going to stay in this low absolute rate environment for a little bit of time, what is your thinking on the margin going forward especially as you experience some of this loan growth?

Philip Mantua

Dave, this is Phil. I think that in the more immediate term, I mean first of all you notice that the margin held up pretty well here as we made our way through the fourth quarter and ended right around 350, 351 range.

And we can probably, especially given the loan growth that we got at the end of the quarter probably look for that to hold up, for at least a quarter or 2 into the future. But I would think given with that and what’s going on in the broader rate environment based on what the Fed had to say yesterday et cetera, that over the course of the year, it will be hard to stay at that kind of level throughout.

We also do have in our mortgage portfolio, a fair number of our arm based product that by contract is going to start flipping from their 3- and 5-year fixed term into some desperate categories, and so I think that that’s going to impact that as well. So you could see that the margin from that 350 range kind of work its way through into the mid 340 range by the time that the year comes to pass.

David Peppard

In terms of the securities portfolio, what type of normal amortizing cash flows you’re getting from there on a monthly basis right now, and how of much that can you put into loans versus back into the portfolio -- the securities portfolio?

Philip Mantua

It’s probably anywhere from 8 million to 10 million to 12 million a month that comes off the investment portfolio and amortizing type flows, and we can probably given again -- we assume we have similar kinds of loan growth towards the -- as we had towards the end of the quarter. We can clearly absorbed that as we go through, but we also have other callable and bullet based maturities in that portfolio that we’re not going to be able to absorb for some period of time.

And so I think that the amortizing I think we can, the others we probably are not going to be able to completely absorb, I mean we have about some $380 million outside the amortizing cash flows that are either being called or matured during the year of 2012. And so that’s a significant block obviously of securities, that we’ll need in some way to be reinvested back into the portfolio.

And just while I’m thinking about it too, as it relates to the margin element of things, my comments as it relates to the trends there, do not take into consideration anything related to our acquisition with CommerceFirst, as we closed that in the middle of the second quarter. And we know that their margins based on the pricing of their commercial portfolio are actually better than ours and so there will be some positive impacts related to that as we move through the year.

David Peppard

And last question, are you guys seeing any opportunities right now to reduce your level of borrowings on the balance sheet?

Philip Mantua

Yes, let me explain that to that’s something else -- it’s a little bit of phenomenon there at the end of the year. Again with the buildup on the loan growth at the tail end of the quarter we actually went out and borrowed $80 million in an overnight basis with Home Loan bank, as opposed to unwinding any of the securities at that stage.

The majority of that’s already been paid back. I think we might have may be somewhere between $10 million and $20 million that still remaining on the balance sheet today.

So that part of the borrowing piece was clearly temporary, and we also do continue to evaluate though if there is an opportunity to rework the other longer term advances. But they’re still fairly out of the money so to speak that the penalties in that regard, and the ability to do so without significant movements in the investment portfolio to counteract that you know is still pretty significant.

Operator

The next question we have comes from the location of Carter Bundy of Stifel, Nicolaus.

P. Bundy

Could you talk little bit about your appetite for potential share repurchases opposed to commerce first deal should additional acquisitive activity not surface?

Daniel Schrider

Carter, this is Dan. I think that, probably not to just similar from what I’ve commented on before.

We’d like to do a combination of organic growth and continuing we look for opportunities to grow through M&A make those priority capital deployment strategies. However, share repurchases and dividends are both on that list as well, but obviously not as high in the priority, so not something we would automatically write-off.

It is just a matter of gauging it relative to other opportunities that may not materialize.

P. Bundy

Okay. And then moving on to loan growth, it looks like basically every single category of loans was up pretty meaningfully linked quarter.

Could you help me understand where that growth came from, was that moving share, was that I know you provided some color earlier in the call on line of credits drawdowns, but could you help me understand, why all of sudden, we had such resurgence in loan growth this quarter?

Daniel Schrider

Yes, Carter, Dan again. You acknowledge a key point is just the diversification and different sources of growth.

I think quite frankly, it’s the effect of 1 year long of activity and getting out in the street, growing the pipeline and we saw the benefit of a lot of that coming to fruition at the end of the year. So it’s a -- there were no purchase loans in that growth, it was all from feet on the street activity that kind of all fell within the fourth quarter as it relates to 2011 growth.

Although, we have had kind of not significant but continue to move directionally in the growth mode throughout the year, it just a lot of hit in the fourth quarter, by no means that we empty our pipelines it was, so we’re continuing to build opportunities but it can’t be explained beyond the fact that, a lot of success all fell into 1 quarter.

Operator

The next question we have comes from Bryce Rowe of Robert W. Baird.

Bryce Rowe

Just I wanted to ask about the commercial AD&C loan portfolio, you had some growth and the average balance sheet and some pretty meaningful growth in that loan yield and if you could just help us understand that?

Daniel Schrider

Yes. I think we probably talked about this previously.

A question is to whether that’s still going to be a meaningful part of what we do, and I think the numbers would prove out that it will be. Albeit, we’re approaching it a little differently in terms of size of transactions, nature of the borrower in terms of their staying power in equity and the nature of the projects in terms of durations.

So tend to be a smaller, fewer number of units in-fill, that type of thing. And quite frankly, we’re probably able to demand a little more yield on this today, just relative to the players in the market that understand and are doing that business.

So that’s the yield question is we’re just -- we’re pricing it up to make sure we get paid for the risk we take.

Bryce Rowe

And are there kind of deals behind the growth we saw there in the quarter? Do you have a pipeline of commercial AD&C loans?

Daniel Schrider

Yes, not something that as I would say is substantial or meaningful on that. I think there are a lot of segments of our market in and around the Beltway have rebound it.

So we’re seeing some absorption take place. So as a lot of the activity in 2011, our folks getting back in the game and getting projects ready to produce and deliver for 2012 and 2013.

So again it will be -- continue to be a part of what we’re doing and but it’s not going to drive our result and I think our fourth quarter production numbers would evidence that. We also had some reductions in NPAs out of that bucket in the fourth quarter which also obviously impacts yield too.

Operator

[Operator Instructions] The next question we have comes from Mark Lynch of Wellington Management.

Mark Lynch

My question is sort of about the dance between expenses and revenue growth and, year-over-year you had expenses up, first our personnel expense up about 10% fourth quarter-over-fourth quarter revenue down. And now we’re starting to see the lines headed in the right direction with the very good fourth quarter loan growth.

And my question essentially is where are you in terms of adding more expenses revenue producers or not in the course of the next year and how much is that dependent on continued loan growth?

Philip Mantua

Hey, Mark, this is Phil. I think clearly based on the way that the existing incentive plans in general were constructed that -- it yielded the kind of complementary expense to the increase in both production and overall contribution.

So to speak to revenue, and we also have to remember that there were other elements of incentive comp that in past years just weren’t even at play at all that are also part of the overall number. But I would say that as we look forward here, I think that we’re going to look hard at that relationship between value, that’s been generated and what we’re paying for it, especially in light of some of the other things we’re already talked about on the call related to margin pressures and other related costs at just doing business as we move forward.

So I think that there’s been a good possibility of a kind of a reset on exactly how we drive that particular line item in expense as we move forward.

Operator

The next question we have comes from Mark Hughes of Lafayette Investments.

Mark Hughes

Just to follow-up a little bit more on the previous question. It’s probably a good thing that instead of comp line is going up as it relates to loan growth, but could you just talk a little bit philosophically about how your loan people are compensated?

How much is for originating the loan, how you track the profitability of loans, if a loan goes bad, is there call back to some of the incentive pay that might have previously been paid? Could you just kind of tell us the general philosophy of the bank in terms of compensating those kind of people?

Daniel Schrider

Sure, I guess – Mark, this is Dan. And I’ll focus probably more on the commercial banker front, because I think as you know in the mortgage banking business it tends to be a little different being commission based.

But as it relates to the core area of producing commercial business, typically it’s intended to be a mix of a variety of factors that are all about driving value. So there’s an element of hitting a production threshold, which that threshold would be based upon what type of base compensation is paid, portfolio that’s managed of existing business and value required out of that producer in new business to make sure Bancorp is getting the return and needs out of that production.

So there’s always a threshold over which you have to achieve in a variety of areas not only just lending but in deposit gathering and fee-based business to be in the money so to speak. And then once you’re in the money, it’s the same factors of fee-based business, deposit growth, referrals, lending activity, that will drive the incentive payment or the bonus opportunity.

And then obviously as you mentioned few other things for which comeback catches as well, and delinquency and proper portfolio management are both part of those things. I hope that the equation makes sense.

The issue that Phil brought up in answer to the prior question, is that in today’s banking world and particularly with today’s unprecedented interest rate environment that according to yesterday as oppose to last year, next couple of years, we just have evaluate and make sure that the value that we’re getting out of that production and those activities is aligned appropriately and that’s what we’re looking at hard now.

Mark Hughes

Sure. You’re making an acquisition in this quarter or next quarter, I forgot when you said it close, and you’ve done acquisitions in the past and this is the first one I think you’ve really done since the ‘08, ‘09 crisis where you probably have to take a tougher look at their allowance, the people that you’re purchasing just because it’s a different world than when it would before.

How do you get comfortable that their allowance is adequate or you have certain set of standards internally, do you have to kind of true them up to Sandy Spring’s standards or how do you work with that?

Daniel Schrider

Yes, that you’re exactly right. I think actually with the accounting rules today it’s a little different than it used to be.

So we don’t bring their allowance over so to speak. We go in and look at their book.

In this case, we looked at the large majority of the lending book loan-by-loan, and then we apply our allowance methodology to what we discover in that book, so that when we, when that transaction closes and it will be in the second quarter then it falls right into our allowance methodology to ensure that the reserves are Sandy Spring like reserves based upon our analysis of their book.

Philip Mantua

We submitted all.

Mark Hughes

Is there going to go much of a change from where it is today or is it too premature to ask that question?

Daniel Schrider

The -- if there were a point in time obviously there would be as we add that portfolio of loans from CommerceFirst into the combined company, there obviously would be a an impact, an increased impact on the reserve. Trying to quantify that now is too difficult because we don’t know what our numbers will do between now and then.

Philip Mantua

Right. And Mark, the accounting dictates that you basically identify that market at the time you close the transaction and you effectively then book the assets in this case, predicated on that overall market or fair value that includes whatever your assessment of the underlying credit quality might be.

And then you move forward from there, and we clearly took our initial estimate into consideration in the way that we price the transaction to recognize what that impact might potentially be.

Daniel Schrider

Yes, Mark, this is Dan, not to prolong but to also say that what we have discovered and continue to discover, as we work with CommerceFirst is that they were very much on top of their game as it related to credit risk management. I believe they released their numbers a day or 2 ago and they are moving in the right direction as well.

So we’re really happy with the team we’re going to be partnering with.

Mark Hughes

Good. And last question and I realize this is a board issue but it referenced to the dividend, your payout ratio now is kind of below where you were before the financial crisis hit.

Is your sense, that over a period of time that you would kind of move back towards the payout ratio you had before?

Daniel Schrider

Yes, clearly I guess at the beginning of the cycle as our earnings began to be impacted by additional provision expense, we let the payout ratio get a little higher than our range of 25 to 45. So right now we’re right in the middle of that that range we are darn close to the middle of it but we -- we’re hopeful that the performance we’re able to produce going forward will allow us to move up in the range clearly.

We’d love to restore the dividend to those types of payout ratio levels.

Operator

And the next question we have is a follow-up from David Peppard of Janney.

David Peppard

My question was actually about the dividend but while I have you on the line here, in regards to the salaries and benefits expense, do you guys have any programs in place at the bank, where you could organically harvest new lenders to get some incremental loan growth in more economic profession?

Daniel Schrider

Dave, we do not have a -- we’re not the size right now where we have the formal farm club so to speak. But we do through the areas of credit risk management and in the past couple of years our loan work out area which is tremendous training ground.

We’ll bring people and with the idea of growing our own and we do have a number of them. Within our relationship manager ranks, which is what we call a commercial lender, we do have a variety of levels of experienced within that.

So we have over the course of the last few years, brought some lesser experienced folks that are either coming into banking for the first time or transitioning out of other roles within banking into a commercial sales role, we’ve done that. But I also say at the same time, we’re a very attractive bank for proven players in the marketplace to want to hang their shingle and become a part of what we’re doing.

So it’s probably a blend of the 2.

David Peppard

Are you guys using out attractiveness in your recruiting techniques in terms of pay scales?

Daniel Schrider

I think the -- our, I guess competitive advantage from an employment standpoint is being the largest bank here in the State of Maryland and in this region. We’ve got a tremendous reputation and history.

We can deliver very sophisticated products and we can, we have large loan capacity. What we can do it in a very small community bank, touch and feel, and that’s our focus.

And quite frankly, I think there are number of bankers in a variety of areas of financial services that long for a day to be a part of a company, that’s about something more than maybe what the larger bank could offer. So we’re a very entrenched in community.

We want to make a difference in the lives of our clients and our employees and that’s something that people want to be a part of. So as long as we’re competitive as it relates to compensation and benefits, and we are very much competitive.

We think the other elements will attract folks to our company.

Operator

No further questions at this time. We will go ahead and conclude our question-and-answer session.

I would now like to turn the conference back over to President and Chief Executive Officer, Daniel J. Schrider and to the rest of Sandy Spring management for any closing remarks.

Daniel Schrider

Thank you, Mike, and thank you everyone who’s been on the call and those who took the time to ask questions. We really do appreciate you taking the time to participate with us this afternoon and we would like to remind you that we’d appreciate receiving your feedback to help us evaluate how we’ve done.

You can e-mail any comments to [email protected]. So thank you again and have a wonderful afternoon.

Operator

And we thank you to the rest of management for your time. The conference call has now concluded.

We thank you all for attending today’s presentation. At this time, you may disconnect your lines.

Thank you.