Sandy Spring Bancorp, Inc.

Sandy Spring Bancorp, Inc.

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Q3 FY2012 · Earnings Call TranscriptOctober 18, 2012

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Operator

Good afternoon, and welcome to the Sandy Spring Bancorp Inc. Third Quarter 2012 Earnings Conference Call and Webcast.

[Operator Instructions] I would now like to turn the conference over to Mr. Daniel Schrider, President and CEO.

Mr. Schrider, please go ahead.

Daniel Schrider

Thank you, Emily, and good afternoon, everyone. Welcome to Sandy Spring Bancorp’s conference call to discuss our performance for the third quarter of this year.

This is Dan Schrider speaking, and I’m joined here today by Phil Mantua, our Chief Financial Officer, and Don Schuster, Senior Corporate Counsel for Sandy Spring Bank.

Daniel Schrider

As usual, today’s call is open to all investors, analysts and the news media. There will be a live webcast of today’s call and a replay available at our website beginning later on today.

As usual, we will also take your questions after a brief review of some key financial highlights. But before we get started, Don will give our customary Safe Harbor statement.

Donald Schuster

Thanks, Dan. Sandy Spring Bancorp will make forward-looking statements in this webcast that are subject to risks and uncertainties.

These forward-looking statements include statements of goals, intentions, earnings and other expectations, estimates of risks and future costs and benefits, assessments of probable loan and lease losses, assessments of market risk, and statements of the ability to achieve financial and other goals.

Donald Schuster

These forward-looking statements are subject to significant uncertainties because they are based upon, or affected by, management’s estimates and projections of future interest rates, market behavior and other economic conditions, future laws and regulations, and a variety of other matters which by their nature are subject to significant uncertainties.

Because of these uncertainties, Sandy Spring Bancorp’s actual future results may differ materially from those indicated. In addition, the company’s past results of operations do not necessarily indicate its future results.

Daniel Schrider

Thank you, Don. As we’ve been doing lately, we’re going to keep our prepared remarks rather brief today, and then move to your questions.

Daniel Schrider

We again produced a strong, straightforward quarter, with no unexpected developments, and it is satisfying to report that we’re continuing to move quite successfully beyond the cycle that took its toll on so many community banks over the past few years. As you know, we were not immune from the impact of that period, but relieved that we weathered it and it’s now largely behind us.

As stated in our press release issued earlier today, net income for the third quarter of 2012 was $11 million -- that’s $0.44 per diluted share -- comparing to net income of $11.3 million, or $0.44 per diluted share for the third quarter of 2011 and net income of $7.2 million, or $0.30 per diluted share for the second quarter of this year.

Year to date, net income for the 9-month period ended September 30, 2012 totaled $26.7 million, or $1.09 per diluted share, compared to net income of $26.8 million, which is $1.11 per diluted share for the prior year’s 9-month period.

Taking a look at our core operating expenses, our pre-tax, pre-provision income for the third quarter totaled $17 million, compared to $14 million in the second quarter and $13.8 million in the third quarter of 2011. This is an area where we’re very pleased with our progress during 2012.

At the end of the second quarter, my remarks about the impact of our acquisition of CommerceFirst Bancorp were centered around merger-related expenses. But this quarter it’s the flipside of the coin, as we saw the first full quarter of accretive contribution from the full integration of CommerceFirst.

In the second quarter, there was only 1 month of accretive earnings contribution from CommerceFirst included since we closed the transaction on May 31, and that was offset by about $2.2 million of merger-related expenses. As we’ve said previously, we continue to expect that by year end the accretive contribution from CommerceFirst should more than offset the one-time costs of doing the deal.

We are seeing a better benefit from their margin that we anticipated, and we’ve been effective at managing down their higher cost broker deposits, which has made a big difference in our ability to fund their loan portfolio, which is also reflected in our margin. Our team did a great job of managing and integrating this acquisition.

The overall net interest margin at Sandy Spring Bancorp was 3.67% for the third quarter of 2012, compared to 3.53% for the third quarter of 2011 and 3.62% for the second quarter of 2012. And in this environment, we consider that decent improvement.

Noninterest income increased 8% for the quarter, compared to the prior year quarter, primarily due to higher income from mortgage banking activities, which have been very strong. In addition, wealth management income and Visa check fees both increased 6% over the prior year quarter.

We believe we’re well-positioned in terms of diverse sources of fee income and our ability to sustain a meaningful revenue stream in these areas, especially as margins and competition on the loan origination side remain very tight.

As noted in today’s release, total loans and leases increased 15% to $2.5 billion, compared to the prior year third quarter. This increase consisted of $157.2 million in loans from the acquisition of CommerceFirst, and $166.4 million of internally generated loan growth, primarily in the commercial portfolio.

Total loans were up 10% compared to balances at December 31, 2011, and if we back out the loans acquired in the CommerceFirst acquisition, total loans increased 7% compared to both September 30, 2011 and December 31, 2011.

One factor affecting the level of total loans between the end of the second quarter and the end of the third quarter was prepayments, some from anticipated success in real estate projects, others from the migration of struggling credits to new lenders. And also, just as an example, we had one $6 million to $7 million loan relationship that was paid off early from the proceeds of the sale of the company.

There were a few other smaller prepayments that cumulatively affected loans, but we shouldn’t read anything specific into this activity except, perhaps, the ongoing gradual improvement to the local economy has enabled some commercial customers to advance their loan payoff timetables a bit.

On the deposit side, DDA balances have been trending up nicely. Deposits and other short-term borrowings from customers increased 8% compared to September 30, 2011, and this advance was due primarily to a 22% increase in noninterest bearing and interest bearing checking accounts.

As for credit quality, nonperforming loans decreased to $65.4 million at September 30, 2012, compared to $82.8 million at September 30, 2011 and $67 million at June 30, 2012. Our overall credit quality metrics showed continued improvement as a result of our continuing focus on resolving existing problem credits and the fact that we’ve been able to minimize the addition of new credits to nonperforming status.

In other words, as you might expect, after working diligently at it for several quarters now, our problem asset resolution teams have become very effective. On another note, the non-GAAP efficiency ratio was 61.1% for the first 9 months of 2012, compared to 63.3% for the first 9 months of 2011, and the ratio stood at 61.5% at the end of the second quarter.

And on a final note, capital remains very strong. At September 30, 2012, the company had total risk-based capital of 15.56%, a Tier One risk-based capital ratio of 14.31%, and a Tier One leverage ratio of 10.99%.

And that wraps up my comments. Phil and I will now move to your questions.

Emily, we can now have the first question please.

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And our first question will come from Jennifer Demba, SunTrust Robinson.

Jennifer Demba

Question on provisioning and environmental credit costs. Your provision was much lower than it was in the last couple quarters this quarter.

Just wondering how much further you would see running the loan loss reserve percentage down. And can you kind of quantify for us what your total environmental cost run rate is right now, and where you think it could go over time?

Daniel Schrider

Jennifer, this is Dan. I think what we’ve commented in prior quarters is we’ve gotten to a point where our provisioning is likely to be more -- the majority of that will be driven by growth in the portfolio, based upon the trends we’re seeing from a credit quality standpoint.

The quarter was also impacted a bit by some resolution of credits that had some reserves being recovered -- or charge-offs being recovered, I should say. So that impacted the third quarter a bit.

To get to the essence of your question, how far do we see it going down, we don’t see that moving, at least in this environment, for the foreseeable future, below 150 in terms of a comfortable reserve level, obviously driven by our methodology. But just from a reality standpoint, we wouldn’t see it moving there.

But again, provisions will be largely driven by loan production going forward than anything else. And I want to make sure I understand your other question about environmental.

Jennifer Demba

Yes, I mean obviously we can see your OREO costs on the expense breakdown, but just wondering, in terms of legal, professional or other costs that may be related to higher problem assets. Is there any leverage to move those costs down next year?

Philip Mantua

Jenny, this is Phil. I think we do believe that there is some room for those types of credit-related costs to reduce into 2013.

We know there are a couple of specific situations where some of those costs have been heightened here in trying to work through the second half of the year. So I would say that yes, there’s definitely room for that to move down as we go into 2013.

And in fact, we’re looking at it that way as we plan for next year.

Jennifer Demba

And one final question if I can, what’s your interest in mergers going forward? Would you want to wait until next year to do something?

And what kind of pipeline of activity are you seeing out there right now?

Daniel Schrider

Good question. We continue to develop relationships with banks that would appear on our target list, which tend to be obviously the smaller community banks in and around our market.

And as you know, obviously a lot of conversation about the pace of consolidation and whether that will pick up or not. We’d like to find another transaction that looks very similar to the CommerceFirst transaction in terms of the economics.

And if that presented itself, we would be prepared to move on that, although we are not at that stage with anyone at this point. So I think from a preparedness standpoint, we’re certainly in great shape to be able to do another transaction if one were to come along.

Operator

Our next question comes from William Wallace of Raymond James.

William Wallace IV

I’ll ask about the margin. In your press release, and in your prepared remarks, you talk about the accretion impact related to the acquisition of CommerceFirst.

So my question is, are you speaking specifically on purchase accounting accretion, like the marks coming back in? Or are you just talking about the impact of the additional net interest income?

Philip Mantua

Wally, this is Phil. To clarify here, I mean, obviously there is some accretable yield related to the way we were required to do the mark-to-market accounting on the loans.

But I think we’re more broadly speaking about the accretive nature of the assets that were acquired, and the yields that came along with those as it affects our margin and our net interest income. And I think we’re probably quantifying that the straight margin impact is somewhere between maybe 3 and 4 basis points in terms of what is added to the margin here initially, in looking at the differential between what’s being earned on the loan book and what’s left of the deposits that were acquired in the transaction.

William Wallace IV

So as I look at your average balance sheet, to me it looks like the bigger driver is actually on the yield side than on the cost side.

Philip Mantua

That’s correct.

William Wallace IV

And it looks like their C&I loans must have been significantly higher yielding loans, and if that’s the case, if it’s not a reflection of the mark on those books, why are their commercial business loans yielding so much greater than the core Sandy Spring book?

Daniel Schrider

Wally, Dan here. I think it’s probably more a reflection of the business focus that is one of the attractive things that came with that franchise is the small business focus and specifically their success in SBA lending, which by the nature of those credits is probably one segment of the marketplace that can provide a little richer yield.

And that’s what they’ve been good at. So it was that niche.

And the fact that it was exclusively business-related credit, so it did not have the mix like we have in our balance sheet.

William Wallace IV

So can you actually continue to improve that yield in that portfolio by shifting the mix towards the small business and SBA?

Daniel Schrider

I think to the extent that we’re successful, which is our expectation, of applying their small business lending platform -- the SBA specifically platform across our franchise, then in that particular segment there will be, I think, an opportunity to do better on yields, and/or generate fee-based income from the sale of the guaranteed portion of those credits. In this market, will we expect to see yields as rich as what they were generating before?

That could be a bit challenging given the competitive environment today.

William Wallace IV

Okay, so now that the CommerceFirst deal is fully layered in, and we have all the impact from a full quarter of them in your numbers, we would probably expect to see then some pressure to the margin, but perhaps not as great as what we’re seeing across the industry given some shift opportunities?

Philip Mantua

Yes, Wally, this is Phil again. I would think that’s fair.

We’ve said pretty much all along that we would anticipate the broad level of our margin being in that low-3.60% range. Obviously we came out a little bit better in this particular quarter than that, but I think we would still hold true to that kind of expectation moving forward, this being a bit of a peak period here in that we continue to kind of hang in there in that low-3.60% range for the foreseeable future.

Operator

Our next question comes from Matt Schultheis of Boenning and Scattergood.

Matthew Schultheis

You’re sitting on a boatload of capital, and so to deploy that capital would require either a tremendous amount of organic loan growth, a fairly sizable acquisition, but you also have the prospect of increasing your dividend or repurchasing stock. Can you prioritize what you think those would work out to be?

Daniel Schrider

Yes. We certainly can.

Obviously if all avenues were equal in terms of opportunity, organic growth is always going to be at the top of that list, and continuing to do what we do well. Because of the economic environment and the prospect of finding some other institutions that believe that 1 plus 1 is equal to greater than 2, M&A is up there, given our capital position and given what we think may be some opportunities coming.

We do have some room in third place with the dividend. When we look at our internal guidelines on payout ratio and yield, Matt, we obviously look back at prior quarter earnings and our prospects for future quarters, and make those decisions.

And based upon those guidelines, we do have room to increase the dividend as we have, looking back here at the several quarters. And then lastly would be the repurchases.

And that doesn’t mean it’s off the table. It just would be an indication of what we think growth prospects would be, both in option 1 and 2, as well as where we’re trading, quite frankly.

Operator

Our next question comes from David Peppard of Janney.

David Peppard

Could we just talk about maybe the opportunities that you’re seeing in wealth management, income, and also kind of the pipeline in the mortgage banking? And then could you follow that up with anything that you could do with expense control for the end of the year going into next year?

Daniel Schrider

Sure. Dave, this is Dan.

I think the wealth management business has obviously been a strong area for us, and we expect that that’s a fee-based line of business we’ll continue to build upon, which will require us to continue to look for additions to talent in terms of the folks that are on the street building relationships. The demographics of our marketplace and the strength of our current client base fits extremely well with the wealth management business, so it’s a great flow of opportunity, and that pipeline continues to be strong.

So we would expect that we would continue to grow that. The mortgage business obviously has been good to us as well as others in the community bank space this year.

Our pipelines continue to be strong as we move into the fourth quarter. We don’t see reason for that to change, and in fact we’re about 70% refinance, 30% purchase money on the mortgage, which we like that relationship, in what’s been a pretty soft market.

And we’re seeing housing in pockets around our market pick up as well. So we feel good about the mortgage business.

It is an area in which the talent pool -- everyone’s trying to find quality mortgage bankers, quality mortgage professionals. We’ve got a great group of mortgage people, and we’re looking to add to that as well.

And Phil will comment on the expenses, being the guy that likes to focus on that around here.

Philip Mantua

Well, whether or not I like to focus on it or not’s a matter of opinion, but it is part of my job, so I guess that’s why I get to comment on it. But before I do that, Dave, one other kind of note on the mortgage side, because I imagine you want to know just kind of where the gain on sale number might be at or going as we move forward.

And I agree with Dan, clearly, that our pipelines are strong. But normally, just from a seasonality standpoint, the fourth quarter is usually a little bit shyer quarter than others, just because of the nature of the time of the year.

And so an element of what’s in that gain number I think as you know are some accounting adjustments related to our mortgage commitment and our best-efforts approach to the way that we go about selling loans that are in the pipeline. So what I’m getting at is in the $1.9 million to $2 million number in this quarter there’s about $600 million embedded in that number that’s related to the accounting treatment of commitments and loans to be sold, which at some point may reverse if volumes and/or rate trends are not going in the same direction.

So I just want to make sure that everybody recognizes there’s an element of that in that number. As it relates to expenses, I think, and we talked about this on the call last quarter, that we believe that our current run rate of expenses is pretty solid, and we would expect it to kind of stay in that same level, especially now that we’ve absorbed the CommerceFirst acquisition, and we know how much of our run rate is related to running that part of our franchise, in addition to what we were doing before.

So absent of in particular any types of adjustments we may make on the value of our other real estate owned portfolio -- which is not terribly big, but we do have to evaluate the value of those assets from time to time -- I would again expect that our level of expenses would be fairly flat in the fourth quarter to what we just reported here in the third quarter.

Operator

Our next question comes from Bryce Rowe of Robert W. Baird.

Bryce Rowe

I wanted to ask a little bit about the mortgage and what your appetite is for portfolio-ing the mortgage activity. I see that you’ve had some growth there, and is there a point at which you hold the line as far as the mortgage composition within the loan portfolio?

Daniel Schrider

Bryce, this is Dan. I think given the opportunities in the marketplace today, and as you may recall what we put in the portfolio on the mortgage side is obviously the short-term construction credits and predominantly 5/1 -- and in some cases 7/1 -- ARMs.

And as long as we have those priced right, and they generate a full banking relationship, which is what we aspire to do as we generate portfolio product, that we would continue to grow that. But however, over the long run the mix of commercial to retail or consumer-based credit, we kind of like being north of 60% mix in the commercial side.

But in this interim phase, we would take more into the portfolio and the mortgage. As long as the pricing fits our parameters, as well as the nature of those relationships.

Bryce Rowe

And second question from me, on the CommerceFirst deposits, are there more opportunities to rotate out some of those higher cost CommerceFirst deposits still?

Philip Mantua

There's still an element of what we acquired there that we continue to run off in that brokered and wholesale book. So I think yes, there’s still some room for that to occur as we go forward.

I think last time we talked about it, we estimated that probably into a good portion of next year there’s probably about $6 million a month worth on average of those CDs that could continue to come off and give us some further benefit.

Daniel Schrider

Just to circle back on the mortgage, I think it’s something that we don’t often talk about, but I think it’s important to point out, because every shop is different. Our mortgage production is exclusively in our core markets, and so they’re relationships that we’re building.

High-quality shop, whereas obviously many other community banks reach, in some cases, on a nationwide basis to generate mortgage products. So we stick close to home with relationships that can be more than just a mortgage.

Operator

And our next question will come from Carter Bundy of Stifel, Nicolaus.

P. Bundy

Phil, if you could give us an update on the bond book, in terms of maturities and cash flows, over the next year or so, that would be really helpful.

Philip Mantua

I’d be glad to. Overall maturity has not really changed dramatically from what we’ve talked about before.

Roughly in the 3.5-year range, just in terms of an average duration, so to speak. And so that’s not terribly different.

What’s maturing or calling in the next 24 to 30 months is still pretty significant. It’s roughly about $450 million spread pretty much from the rest of this year, all of next year and then into 2014.

We’ve got about $150 million of callable agency that we see coming to be called between the remainder of this year and in 2013. And then we continue to have somewhere between $10 million and $12 million of monthly cash flow off the mortgage backed and CMO book, which would be included in that broader number.

So still significant amount of cash flows available to us from a liquidity standpoint.

P. Bundy

And if loan growth doesn’t significantly accelerate and you continue to get nice deposit inflows, how do you think about deploying that liquidity?

Philip Mantua

I think we -- we've talked about this before too -- we stand firm to not wanting to take any extension risk down the road, and we would prefer to then stay in the same liquidity position that we are, sacrifice some margin in terms of the reinvestment yields available, move down the road. Just to give you an example here, in the month of September the average kind of yield that left the books was in the 2.50% to 2.60% range, and the purchases that were made during that period were probably in the 1.90% to 2% range.

And so the obvious impact of that is to tighten the overall margin if that continues to occur.

P. Bundy

That’s helpful. And Dan, if you could talk just a little about the loan growth expectations.

It sounds like the payoffs were pretty elevated this quarter. We’ve heard that at other banks.

But it sounds like your expectation is that’s not going to continue going forward?

Daniel Schrider

No, I think the third quarter definitely was elevated relative to what we would expect the norm to be. So our outlook on loan growth continues to be kind of the mid single digit number as we move into 2013.

But we wouldn’t expect to see that level of runoff in future quarters.

P. Bundy

And then finally, following up on Matt’s question on the capital strategy, you’ve got a lot of capital, you’re generating a lot of capital. It sounds like share repurchases -- is it fair to say they’re just not really part of the capital allocation strategy right now?

And is there a point, should capital continue to build, and additional deals like a CommerceFirst don’t come along, that in fact maybe the share repurchases move up the priority list?

Philip Mantua

Yes, Carter, this is Phil, just to follow up. I think your last statement is exactly how we view the repurchase aspect of capital management, and I think we’ve talked about that before.

That it then -- it would move closer to the top of the list once we’re convinced that we are not able to utilize it, either from an organic or an M&A perspective. The other thing that we continue to think about, that everyone knows is looming out there, is the potential implication from a Basel III proposal.

We’ve done some pro forma on that, and we’re perfectly comfortable that the capital levels we have today are more than sufficient to be able to satisfy what’s going to be required, at least under the current proposal. But knowing that there’s going to be pressures on capital in a lot of different ways going forward, we’re pretty comfortable with the position we’ve got here, and not really ashamed of having some rich capital ratios at this stage of the game.

Operator

This concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Mr.

Schrider for any closing remarks.

Daniel Schrider

Thank you, Emily, and appreciate everyone taking time to participate with us this afternoon. If you’re on the call, and a current shareholder, we appreciate your confidence in us.

We want to remind you that we appreciate receiving your feedback to help us evaluate how we’ve done, and you can email your comments to [email protected]. We take your feedback seriously.

Daniel Schrider

Thank you again, and have a great afternoon.