Nordnet AB

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Q3 FY2026 · Earnings Call TranscriptOctober 22, 2026

Marcus Lindberg

Good morning, and welcome to the presentation of Nordnet's third quarter of 2026. My name is Marcus Lindberg, and I'm the Head of Investor Relations at Nordnet.

Joining me today is our CEO, Rasmus Järborg, and our CFO, Lennart Krän. Rasmus and Lennart will start by presenting the results, and then we'll have a Q&A session.

If you want to ask a question, just click the raise hand button in Zoom, or you can submit a question in writing via Zoom, or just send me an email. With that, I'll turn the call over to our CEO, Rasmus Järborg.

Rasmus Järborg

Thank you, Marcus. Good morning, everybody, and thanks for joining us today.

Looking across the third quarter, our operating performance reflected both expected seasonal patterns and the underlying strength of secular wealth accumulation across the Nordic region. Historically, the summer quarter exhibits a natural moderation in trading velocity across European retail markets.

However, the third quarter of 2026 proved to be our second strongest quarter in Nordnet's history, demonstrating the compounding power of our platform. While headline equity markets remained elevated and central banks continued to recalibrate interest rate policy, market volatility remained selective.

Against this backdrop, our customers remained highly engaged, actively rebalancing their asset allocations and deploying capital for the long term. As we celebrate Nordnet's 30th anniversary this year, our franchise has never been stronger or more diversified.

Whether our customers are participating in primary equity offerings, accessing institutional-grade equity research, or building recurring ETF and mutual fund savings plans, Nordnet serves as their primary operating system for savings and investments. That multi-product durability is evident throughout our third quarter delivery.

Turning to the highlights on slide two now, we've summarized the core operational and strategic milestones of the quarter. As you can see, top-line performance remained strong, delivering growth across all primary revenue streams in what was our second strongest quarter ever.

Operating profit before tax reached 1.1 billion, marking our third consecutive quarter above the 1 billion crown threshold. Execution across our strategic initiatives was equally pronounced.

Trading held firm through the summer lull, with robust traded value and a consistent cross-border mix supporting our unit economics. Net savings rose 23% year-on-year to 26 billion crowns, bringing our nine-month net savings to 80 billion and maintaining a record pace year-to-date.

As you will have seen, we entered into a strategic partnership with ABG Sundal Collier this quarter to co-create a modern private wealth offering for advised and managed capital across the Nordics. In partnership with Citi, we launched a dedicated research portal in our Nordnet app and web, giving our private banking customers integrated access to institutional-grade equity research covering approximately 1,500 international companies.

Back in Sweden, we appointed Britta Rosenqvist as our new country manager for Sweden to accelerate our domestic commercial agenda. Britta joins us on December 1st.

Our German rollout plan remains on schedule for commercial launch in November, positioning us ahead of the structural pension reforms taking place in Germany on January 1st. Finally, in September, we initiated a 250 million crown share buyback program, reaffirming our commitment to disciplined shareholder remuneration.

As you will have seen, we also announced that we're calling our 600 million crown AT1 bond in November. Moving to slide three, our financial results continue to illustrate the structural operating leverage of our digital model.

Total revenue reached 1.6 billion crowns, up 18% compared to the third quarter of last year. Operating expenses stood at 450 million, reflecting underlying cost growth in the core Nordic business of 10% year-over-year, or 12% including the investments in Germany.

Over the last 12 months, opex excluding Germany has risen by 6%, putting us on track to achieve our guidance of 8% cost growth excluding Germany for the full year. The net result is a profit before tax of 1.1 billion crowns, an increase of 21% year-over-year.

We processed 15.8 million trades in the quarter, essentially flat compared to last year's high volume, while our customer franchise expanded by 12% to close to 2.6 million active customers. On slide four, you can see more on the sustained velocity of this customer franchise.

In the quarter, we welcomed nearly 64,000 net new customers, bringing our total active customer base to 2.6 million, an absolute increase of 274,000 customers year-over-year. Total savings capital closed at nearly 1.5 trillion crowns, representing an absolute growth of 317 billion, or 28% year-over-year.

Our annualized savings ratio held firm at 9%, supported by consistent customer growth. Turning to slide five, product velocity and democratizing professional-grade capabilities remain the cornerstone of our product agenda.

We rolled out institutional-grade equity research across 1,500 global companies directly into our mobile and desktop environments. By partnering with Citi, we're equipping our PB customers with the same fundamental analysis, valuation models, and catalyst tracking used by global institutions.

We scaled our growth experimentation engine, shipping continuous A/B tests in our activation workflows across all four Nordic markets to streamline onboarding, optimize account funding, and accelerate time to first trade. We also introduced social benchmarking capabilities that allow users to check their portfolio performance against peer cohorts, friends, and family, set automated corporate action and stock alerts, and gain clearer thematic visibility across their holdings.

In sum, our talented engineering teams shipped 24 production app releases this quarter, and this consistent release cadence ensures rapid feedback loops, robust security, and immediate feature adoption by our involved customer base. Turning to slide six, here we detail how this customer engagement translated across our three primary income streams.

Adjusted revenues reached 1.6 billion crowns, up 18% year-over-year. Transaction-related income remained resilient at 655 million.

Despite the typical August seasonal lull and lower systemic volatility, revenue was supported by record average trade sizes and a high mix of cross-border trading. Fund-related income rose 31% year-over-year to 250 million, reflecting asset appreciation, stable platform margins, and strong net buying.

Net interest income continued its upward trajectory, increasing nearly 20% year-over-year to 687 million, driven by deposit stability, disciplined yield management following the rate hikes in the quarter. Turning to slide seven on our trading franchise, daily average trades stood at 239,000, mirroring normal summer seasonality across retail investing.

However, our revenue per trade expanded 13% year-over-year to 41.4 crowns, virtually flat compared to Q2. This margin stability was powered directly by cross-border engagement.

Cross-border equity trades accounted for 42% of total traded value and 39% of trades in the quarter as our customers leveraged extended market hours and continued to invest in the AI supercycle. Slide eight highlights our asset management and fund distribution franchise, which continues to provide stable recurring revenue streams to our business.

Total fund capital reached 387 billion crowns, up 37% year-over-year. Net fund buying during the quarter was 12 billion.

Crucially, nearly 6 billion, or 49% of all net fund flows, were directed straight into our own Nordnet-branded fund family. These Nordnet funds now represent 120 billion crowns in AUM, or 31% of total fund assets on the platform, growing 50% year-over-year.

Platform fund penetration reached a new high, with 54% of all customers now holding a fund product. Moving to slide nine, let me outline our customer deposit dynamics.

Customer deposits closed the quarter at over 96 billion crowns. Looking at the capital walk from Q2, we saw gross cash inflows of 20.8 billion from net savings and 3.1 billion from seasonal dividend receipts.

Our customers actively deployed 24 billion of that cash back into earning assets, 12 billion of which into brokerage transactions and another 12 into mutual funds. Total customer deposits now represent 6.6% of savings capital as our customers are still risk-on despite the noisy market environment.

To wrap up this section on slide 10, our NII delivery remains strong and disciplined. Net interest income rose nearly 20% year-over-year to 687 million crowns, with our firm-wide NII yield steady at 275 basis points.

Income from the liquidity portfolio stood at 494 million across a conservative portfolio of 70.5 billion crowns. Income from the credit portfolio expanded to 296 million, up 12% year-over-year, supported by balanced demand across our 33 billion loan book comprising nearly 20 billion in margin lending and 13 billion in high-quality Swedish and Norwegian residential mortgages.

Customer interest expense was 104 million. Based on current forward IBOR rates, we continue to anticipate full year 2026 NII of approximately 2.7 billion crowns, and we continue this strength in NII to continue in 2027.

Let me now hand the call over to my CFO, Lennart Krän, to walk through our expense discipline, operating leverage, and capital position.

Lennart Krän

Thank you very much, Rasmus, and good morning, everyone. Yes, as you can see, we continue with very good cost control.

Adjusted operating expenses for the fourth for third quarter were 450 million. Excluding our planned investments in Germany, core Nordic operating expenses grew by about 10% year-over-year.

For the full year 2026, we are reiterating our expense guidance of 1.8 billion, well, 1,790 actually, million. This encompasses the approximately 8% underlying Nordic cost growth, which is alongside our financial targets, and except for the German expansion, which we exclude from those 8%.

Good cost control during this quarter as well. We can continue to the next slide.

Showing the operating leverage of this business with a very high growth in adjusted revenue and cost control, we end up with 4.3 billion for the last 12 months in PBT, sorry. It's too early for me.

As you can see here, over the last four years, Nordnet has delivered a 21% CAGR in adjusted profit before tax against a 10% CAGR in operating expenses, and just 8.8% excluding our German investments. Over the last 12 months, our profit before tax has reached almost 4.3 billion.

It's a very good year-to-date and a very good quarter as well. We can continue to the slide 13 with the capital situation.

Still also here, a very strong balance sheet, a very comforting liquidity position. Nordnet closed the third quarter with a common equity tier one of 18.1%, with a leverage ratio at 4.7%.

Those are well above our targeting operating band of 4.0% to 4.5%, and our regulatory floor on 3.5%. This will be in spite of that we've started the buyback program of 250 million at the end of September.

Also, in addition to this, was given notice Monday that we're going to redeem the 600 million AT1 that is first call date in November. As an effect of leverage ratio, that would have, as of end of September, been a leverage ratio of 4.2%, which is still within our range of 4.0% to 4.5%, and gives us still a capacity of taking in 21 billion in further deposits before even getting close to jeopardizing any legal requirement.

A very, very good position. To conclude this, given our substantial capital surplus and organic capital generation, we have no intention of issuing replacement of AT1 instrument at this time, just to be clear.

I just conclude, a very good, stable liquidity and capital situation. With that, I hand over to you again to sum up the quarter, Rasmus.

Rasmus Järborg

Thank you, Lennart. Moving to the next slide then.

Sorry, I don't know if it's frozen. There we go.

Medium financial targets, thank you. On slide four, we're reiterating our medium-term targets across all metrics, with annual customer growth targets of 13% to 15%, tracking at 12% in Q3.

When it comes to the average savings capital per customer, we're approaching 500 crowns in target, but of course, we're now at an LTM figure of 525,000 crowns, surpassing this target. In terms of the margin on AUM, the target is 45 basis points over the cycle and currently tracking at 48 basis points.

As Lennart said, on the underlying cost growth, the target is approximately 8% annually excluding Germany. Turning to slide 15 for an operational update on Germany, our most significant geographic expansion initiative.

We've achieved several key milestones in the quarter heading into our planned phased launch in November. As we've announced, Arno Walter officially assumed leadership as country manager on August 1st, bringing with him his deep retail brokerage expertise in the domestic German banking market.

On October 8th, a brand new localized version of nordnet.de went live with our core positioning, smarter investments. Earlier this month, we strengthened our German team, welcoming Dr.

Jasmin Gröschl as chief economist and Leo Gärtner as investment coach to spearhead our financial education and market inspiration content initiatives. Everything is tracking towards our phased commercial rollout in November and finalizing our offering ahead of the January 1st introduction of the new German pension account, Altersvorsorgedepot.

We're positioning Nordnet to be a premier digital savings destination for German retail investors who demand a little more. Moving to slide 16, I want to take a moment to frame our long-term strategic horizon or our moonshot.

Nordnet will earn the right to serve 100% of our customers' wealth. By building a single seamless experience across self-directed, advised, and managed solutions, Nordnet will become European customers' number one choice.

This moonshot rests on three principles. It's earned, not assumed.

Customers choose us first when our product interface, service responsiveness, and pricing architecture are indisputably superior to competitors. We aspire to serve 100% of wealth, and this is not a share of wallet ambition.

It's earning the right to serve the customer through the completeness of our offering. Make no mistake, this puts massive demands on our product platform, catering from everyday self-directed stocks and funds that we have today to include advised capital, discretionary portfolio management, digital assets, private markets, and beyond.

Finally, the European ambition. In expanding beyond our Nordic stronghold into Germany, we're now taking our first footsteps on continental Europe, significantly increasing our addressable market.

During our recent 30th anniversary summit, I framed this moonshot for all of Nordnet staff to set our long-term direction and anchor our strategic execution. On slide 17, our organization is now executing against four must-win battles to turn that moonshot into reality.

European expansion: as I said, we will successfully execute the German launch to build a repeatable, scalable playbook for continental Europe. Next-gen trading: we will continuously upgrade our trading technology stack, data feeds, and market offering to maintain our moat among engaged on-market investors.

Democratizing wealth management: we will broaden access to guidance, DPM, and other tools for private banking as exemplified by our partnership with ABG Sundal Collier and our Citi equity research rollout. Finally, winning in AI: we will now shift from exploratory learning to operational scale, embedding generative AI across our core products and back-office pipelines to drive product development speed and operational productivity.

To wrap up on slide 18, as we reflect on our 30th anniversary, our leadership team remains focused on five operational priorities for the remainder of the year. We will execute our phased German launch in November and prepare for the January pension reform.

We will continue to invest in trading infrastructure, cross-border market access, and platform capabilities. Like I said, we will accelerate the deployment of AI-driven tools into routine customer workflows and internal processes.

We will advance our new wealth management unit, including the work to launch the ABG Nordnet private wealth JV and grow our managed assets and own-label funds and ETFs. We will protect our operating leverage even as we invest selectively for the future.

In summary, Nordnet is executing with clarity and conviction. We generated our second strongest quarter ever, delivered our third consecutive quarter above 1 billion crowns in profit before tax, and expanded our savings capital to nearly 1.5 trillion crowns.

We're well on track to building Europe's leading digital savings platform. Thank you.

With that, we're now ready to take questions. Marcus, back to you.

Marcus Lindberg

Thank you, Rasmus and Lennart. Once again, if you want to ask a question, just click the raise hand button here in Zoom.

I'll call your name and unmute you, or submit a question in writing via Zoom, or just send me an email. The first question comes from Patrik Brattelius at ABG.

Please go ahead.

Patrik Brattelius

Thank you. Can you hear me?

Rasmus Järborg

Yes.

Patrik Brattelius

Perfect. The deposit relative to your savings capital is at an all-time low.

What do you think about this ratio going forward and how it should develop?

Rasmus Järborg

The savings deposit to savings capital ratio, I think, is around 6.6%, which is low. I'm not sure if it's an all-time low, but it's a function, of course, of how risk-on our customers are and how much they're invested into the markets.

We see rates coming up, and they've come up in three out of our four countries, and we'll see what the Swedish Riksbank does now going forward. With that, it's natural that a higher proportion of customer assets is kept in cash.

Let's remember that we were almost at 100 billion in deposits this quarter, but even so, just around a fifth of that is sitting in remunerated accounts. The important thing for us is to onboard the customers and to activate those customers, whether they invest in stocks, funds, or keep that money in cash is of secondary importance.

We like to see, of course, that our customers have a well-diversified positioning across the markets, and I think we'll see what the market development holds and where rates will go, but it's nothing that we're worried about.

Patrik Brattelius

Thank you. In terms of your customer growth target of 13% to 15%, you've been below it for quite a few quarters despite that many indexes are at all-time high, we see good trading activity.

Do you feel that you are dependent on geographical expansion in order to reach this target, or which actions are you actively taking now in order to see an acceleration in customer growth to be within your target level?

Rasmus Järborg

I think volatility may have had an effect currently. Of course, marketing will help in terms of top-funnel marketing.

We're seeing all the metrics move in the right way when it comes to brand awareness, brand preference. It's yet to translate into higher customer growth numbers, to your point.

At the same time, we're also working, like I commented on, with our activation teams to also activate a higher proportion of those customers that marketing brings in. I think that's on us to help customers to activate and to get both fund their accounts and become invested in the market.

We have new campaigns now running in Sweden and Denmark celebrating our 30th anniversary. We also have reactivation campaigns running in all markets, in which initially are giving good results.

We're also going live next week with new refer-a-friend programs, which were built natively into the app for our German launch, so that'll help. Of course, Germany and in time, other European markets will prolong the growth runway over the long term.

There's lots of growth in the Nordics, especially outside of Sweden. Of course, in Sweden, we see digital platforms have a higher proportion or penetration of the population, but in Norway, Finland, and Denmark, that penetration is around half of Swedish levels, we have plenty of runway for growth.

It's up to us to deliver that growth rate that we're targeting.

Patrik Brattelius

Thank you so much.

Rasmus Järborg

Thank you.

Marcus Lindberg

Thank you, Patrik. The next question comes from Ermin Keric at DNB Carnegie.

Please go ahead.

Ermin Keric

Good morning. Thanks for the presentation.

Maybe starting on Germany, could you give us any KPIs on what to evaluate you on in 2027 to get a sense of your expectations so we can kind of track if you're running according to your own plan?

Rasmus Järborg

Hi, Ermin. That's a very reasonable request.

The answer is we will come back with the Q4 results and give you both some guidance and some metrics that you can follow. Of course, initially, what we will try to do is get the product market fit right, tweak the product and the sort of the vertical marketing mechanics in order to have them firing on all cylinders.

Once we have the right target customer group in the platform, then we need to get them to understand and use the product. Then we will start reporting on both the number of customers and the AUM and the net savings and everything else that we do.

That predicates both the launch, of course, the product market fit, the acquisition marketing mechanics, and finding out which channels work and give us a good return. Then we can follow up on that.

It's going to be, of course, very small in the beginning, and it's not going to move the needle on a group basis. We're discussing a little bit internally on how best to report and follow that, but I understand the question.

Ermin Keric

Fair enough. Then I think your moonshot, it's very interesting.

Could you talk a bit more about how concrete roadmap do you have for these things you mentioned, for instance, digital assets, going beyond Germany, and so on? Or should we still see it more as a just long-term vision where you have more concrete plans for some certain parts, but not all of it?

Rasmus Järborg

That's exactly how to see it. I think a moonshot is, in the definition of a moonshot, it's sort of a radically ambitious long-term vision, which doesn't even necessarily have a timeline.

Even so, the reason we're putting so much sort of focus on the moonshot is because it raises the ambition level, and it helps us lead the organization, that we're all running in the same direction. The literal reading of the moonshot would create massive demands on the product platform, which is why we've formulated it that way.

Whether each one of those product families or geographies will be added, they need to stand on their own. They need to have their own business case and to be prioritized by the board and the executive committee.

It's more to give both us, but also you, sort of a sense of where we're headed and where the ambition lies. As we build out the platform, we will come back to the market and, of course, talk about each of these initiatives in turn.

Ermin Keric

Great. Then maybe the last one would be very helpful with the NII snapshot, as always.

If you would extend that into 2027, where kind of do you get to then? Also if you can get any kind of more flavor on how you actually think things will play out, given that it's a of course mechanic exercise on the snapshot.

Rasmus Järborg

I will self-censor and not give you that guidance at this point. We will happily do so in the Q4, at which point we will sort of refresh the snapshot for full year 2027 like we've done the last two years.

Having said that, you don't require a doctorate in financial economics in order to, like you say, mechanically apply the forward IBOR rate curves on our deposit level, and deposits being a function of AUM, AUM being a function of market appreciation and customer onboarding. I know that you're smart enough to work that out on your own until we give you the next snapshot.

Ermin Keric

Fair enough. Thank you very much.

Rasmus Järborg

Thanks, Ermin.

Marcus Lindberg

Thanks, Ermin. Next question comes from Martin Ekstedt at Handelsbanken.

Martin Ekstedt

Thank you. Can you hear me?

Rasmus Järborg

We can now. Hi, Martin.

Martin Ekstedt

Excellent, and I managed to unmute. I wanted to ask about your newish customer tierings.

A while back you implemented new customer tierings, right? With partly the aim being to limit the number of individually negotiated discounts on fees for brokerage, etc.

Then with the knowledge that more customers would also initially be eligible for discounts. A few questions now when a couple of quarters down the line, could you give us an update on how this has impacted revenues?

As for example, new inflows as customers have gathered more assets on your platform to reach the next tier, etc., as is compensated for that initial drop, potentially in margins, that you spoke of initially when you implemented this?

Rasmus Järborg

Good question. Just to be clear, we didn't introduce a lower bound that sort of gave more discounts to more people.

We kept the lowest bound, which we call PB Gold, at 2.5 million crowns, and the equivalent in the other markets. There was no sort of expansion of PB customers that received those discounts.

Summarizing and sort of or tiering the discounts, as you put it, was only part of the goal. The real goal was to be able to provide a ladder and a tiering in order to speak to customer ambitions of tiering up.

It's sort of a model we borrowed wholesale from SAS EuroBonus, thanks Anko and team for that inspiration. Fact is, speaking to my chief wealth management officer last night on this exact question, it has more than compensated.

It's been a very, very strong performance within the PB segment. We don't disclose those numbers, but in terms of both customers and AUM sitting within PB-tagged accounts, that has exceeded expectations.

We'll see whether we can add more color on that in the full year results and whether we will have any disclosure going forward. Of course, as you can imagine, this is a highly competitive space, and we don't want to give too much to our competitors of what we're doing and how well it's going, but it is going very well.

Martin Ekstedt

Thank you. Then a quick follow-up on that one.

How does the new joint venture with ABG fit into this tiering system then?

Rasmus Järborg

There's a level there, and again, we're in agreement with ABG, but we haven't disclosed it yet. There's a pretty clear level where customers will be introduced to the ABG Nordnet private wealth JV, depending on it's an asset level.

It's also on demand, customers who want or need advice or discretionary portfolio management will be introduced to the JV, and customers above the level will be actively marketed towards, saying you have enough money to qualify, is this something that you need in order to move in more of your capital on the platform? We will be public with that sort of target segment when we launch the JV, which should be in the spring of 2027.

Martin Ekstedt

Okay. Thank you very much.

That's it for me for today.

Rasmus Järborg

Maybe just clarify that for everybody on the call, because there was some confusion when we launched. Because the JV will be a so-called partner customer of Nordnet, everything will be running off of our partner web infrastructure, meaning that the customer and the customer assets stay on Nordnet, but they will be serviced by the JV in terms of advice and DPM.

That's an important distinction. It's a sort of revenue plus event for us as customers will layer these services atop existing or new AUM, and then as a 50/50 owner of the business, we will get 50% of those profits back into Nordnet.

Martin Ekstedt

Excellent. Thanks.

Rasmus Järborg

Thanks.

Marcus Lindberg

Thanks, Martin. Next question comes from Enrico Bolzoni from J.P.

Morgan. Please go ahead.

Enrico Bolzoni

Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking my question and for the presentation.

Can I follow up with one more question on ABG JV, please? I was just keen to understand a bit better in your thinking.

Do you expect that as a result of this, for example, your existing private banking clients will top up their existing assets on Nordnet or they will just do things differently with the same amount of capital? I'm just trying to understand what is the selling point here.

Also, how do you see this product relative to the competition that you currently face in various markets? Then I had another question on customer acquisition in Sweden.

I noticed that it slowed down quite a bit. I appreciate it's a seasonally slower quarter and clearly volatility might have not helped, but when I just look at some of your competitors, they're still onboarding a multiple of the number of customers you're onboarding with a service that is actually very similar.

Just curious to hear from you some thoughts on how can you close that gap perhaps. Then very finally, if I may, we keep seeing and hearing these news about AI finding issues with technology, the very latest one, I think, just out of yesterday.

Can you please just remind us on how confident you are in your systems, on whether you think that you will have to spend a bit more to increase security or anything else that might be relevant, because I think it's a theme that's emerging as potentially concerning. Thank you.

Rasmus Järborg

Thanks, and welcome back. It's great to have you with us again, Enrico.

Starting with the question on the ABG JV, I think it's a win-win either way, right? Either our existing clients will top up their assets, which is the base case, the main case.

We know we address maybe 20%, 30% of PB-classed customers' AUM, where they're holding advised or managed capital elsewhere because we do not today provide that service. Getting more AUM in is the base case.

To the second part of your question, it could equally be that they have an amount of money with us, and they will divert a portion of that into being advised or managed through the JV, in which case it's a margin expansion for us as that will, of course, be a premium service. In terms of how it stands, I think one of the reasons we were attracted to form this partnership with ABG is that we were very impressed with the offering that they've built in Sweden so far.

It's early days, right, we will now, of course, build and scale that business together, but it's built entirely upon their market-leading equity research in the Nordic region. The portfolio management is based on the analyst recommendations and has outperformed all benchmarks both in the Nordic portfolio and in their global portfolio.

It's no frills. This is not a PB service where you go to sample wine or drive supercars.

The events that they hold are with analysts explaining why they're risk-on or risk-off in certain segments and why they're allocating capital in a certain way, which I think is what serious investors are interested in. That's also what attracted Nordnet, because it's very true to who we are as a firm.

Moving to the second question on customer growth, no, we're not happy with the customer growth in Sweden. It's obviously tracking below our target and below our other countries.

The marketing campaign has still to have its full effect. The product is market-leading, but our brand recognition is not there.

We're now trialing different campaigns, like the ones we're running now, the 30th anniversary campaign, the new customer campaign, the reactivation campaign. The focus is also on creating higher customer value, which is our strength, and to explain that better to the market.

When it comes to AI and how confident we are with our systems, and whether we need to spend more on security, we have top talent and a top tech platform. We are running, of course, on Google Cloud Platform in most every instance, and that means we also benefit from Google's sort of market-leading defenses.

We want to be in the forefront of AI and integrate it into both product and tech and customer-facing. We have really good prerequisites, like I was saying, by being in the cloud already.

It helps us with our data, it helps us with our capabilities that we can layer on top, but also with security. Make no mistake, cybersecurity is an issue for the entire industry, indeed the entire world, and we are very focused together with the security committee and the board of directors to make sure that we are not just adequately, but that we are well protected when it comes to the risks of penetration.

Enrico Bolzoni

Thank you very much.

Marcus Lindberg

Thanks, Enrico. Next question comes from Grace Dargan at Barclays.

Grace Dargan

Hi, good morning. Thank you very much for taking my questions.

One on Germany and then maybe a broader one on competition. On Germany, appreciate you don't want to give details, and that will come, but maybe just a sense of as other competitors in the German market have been announcing their various pension offerings, has anything changed your view on how you should be approaching the expansion?

Then secondly, yeah, the broader question, I guess, is, are you seeing more competition generally in your different geographies, or any change in the kind of peers, competitors who are being most aggressive? Thank you.

Rasmus Järborg

Thanks. Starting with Germany then, it's true that since we announced that we're moving into Germany, both some domestic startups, but also international interlopers have announced that they're going to be launching in Germany as well.

It's going to be a crowded market. It is a very competitive market already, but to a degree, if I want to put a silver lining on that, it validates our business case that Germany is the place to be, and we're at this fantastic inflection point with more and more Germans starting to save in stocks and ETFs, and, of course, now the government throwing its weight behind that with the new pension reform.

Yes, we've followed competitors and their pension offerings. No, it has not changed the product that we're building, which I think will be very strong in its own right.

We believe that there is a Nordnet-shaped hole in the German market. Of course, that there are good mobile-only sort of fast platforms, and there are very good, advanced active trader platforms, but this is not yet a broad platform that has a easy learning curve, fantastic UI, UX, but still a very broad and relevant product set.

When we do consumer testing in Germany, I think the main feedback has been that they've been very impressed by the sort of the rich datasets that we provide in order to provide better decisions support, everything ranging from static and dynamic market data, analyst consensus estimates, price targets, charting, but also, of course, Nordnet Social, our social community of over 600,000 users who are commenting on stocks. I think that positions us in a little segment of our own, but it'll be up to us now to communicate that and to reach the customers to whom this appeals.

Zooming out on the full Nordic market, we're both benefited and we're, what is it, steel sharpen steel, right? We're coming from maybe the most competitive market in the world when it comes to savings and investment.

It's been a different nature of competition. Sometimes it's homegrown, sometimes it's international, but it's always been very, very competitive.

What we are seeing is some of the US firms starting to make more of an impact in Europe, Interactive Brokers, Robinhood, and now J.P. Morgan Chase is live in the UK and Germany.

We've also seen some of the European hyperscalers in terms of Revolut moving into the savings and investment space, and I think Trade Republic sharpening their offering, and that's a little bit different. Then some of the incumbent banks are not quite getting their act together, but doing a better job of that.

It's an interesting market. It's always been competitive, and we don't mind competition.

It keeps us sharp.

Grace Dargan

Understood. Thank you very much.

Rasmus Järborg

Thanks.

Marcus Lindberg

Thank you, Grace. Next question comes from Emre Prinzell from Nordea.

Emre Prinzell

Hi, thank you. We already spoke a little bit about the ABG partnership, but just some more flavor.

After a Swedish launch in 2027, how fast could you potentially roll this out in your other markets? How large is the potential share of wallet that is up for grabs from incumbent banks here?

Please, any color really on the overall big-picture ambitions, goals, and milestones here would be, I think, very helpful. Thanks.

Rasmus Järborg

No. The ambition, of course, is to roll this out in all our markets, including, at that point, Germany.

The business exists in Sweden today, so that's where the focus is, and we need to make this a success. We're both now, together with ABG, forming and formulating what the offering will look like, but also building the tech platform on which it will run.

We have said that the next market will be Norway. We've been very clear with that, but we haven't put any timing on it.

We need to get first of all the licenses, and then we need to launch, which should be in the spring of 2027. Then that business needs to run and prove itself in this market before we launch in another market.

Because of the fabulous strength of the ABG brand in Norway, and also the sort of target-rich environment that we have there, obviously Norway is the next market. Then ABG also has a strong presence in Denmark and Germany, and we will see what the third country is after Norway.

For now, the focus is on Sweden, and then the next country will be Norway.

Emre Prinzell

All right. Thanks.

That's clear. That's it for me.

Thank you.

Rasmus Järborg

Thank you.

Marcus Lindberg

Thank you, Emre. Next question comes from Hannah Leivdal from Citi.

Hannah Leivdal

Hi, guys. Good morning, and thank you for the presentation.

I just had one question with regards to activity levels and customer mix. Avanza reported that they saw a bit slower retail trading compared to the affluent segments.

I'm just wondering, did you guys experience something similar? What else explains the lower commission income?

Thank you.

Rasmus Järborg

Thanks, Hannah. We saw a similar pattern actually play out across our four markets, and so there's some indications in the dataset we reported today.

You will see that the average trade size was up, and the income per trade was up, but the brokerage margin was down slightly, so that's indicative of precisely the dynamic that you describe. Private banking and active trade customers, who generally make larger trades, but of course pay a premium or have a sort of very preferential rates on that, means that the margin was down where even though the trade size was up and the income per trade was up.

For us, I think it was less pronounced as we still had a very strong net commission income in the quarter.

Hannah Leivdal

That's very clear. Thank you.

Rasmus Järborg

Thanks, Hannah.

Marcus Lindberg

Thanks so much. Next question comes from Jacob Hesslevik at SEB.

Rasmus Järborg

Wow, Jacob, low down in the stack today on the questions.

Jacob Hesslevik

Yeah. A lot of conference calls this morning, please excuse me if you have already answered them.

You will launch your own ETFs early next year. How central are they to the German launch and the Altersvorsorgedepot offering?

With the fund margin already down to 23.2 basis points, how much Nordic fund income could they cannibalize?

Rasmus Järborg

Thanks, Jacob. It's a good question.

It's not essential for Germany, but obviously Germany, as you allude to, is an ETF-first market. There's actually much more AUM sitting in mutual funds in Germany, but they tend still to be distributed through branch offices and sitting with an older but richer population.

We're not just doing ETFs for Germany. We see a trend of our customers across the Nordics moving into ETFs and allocating more to ETFs, and that is a trend that we want to be a part of.

I think we'll surprise the market with some very interesting products when we bring the Nordnet-branded ETFs to market in the beginning of next year. How they will cannibalize is actually interesting because looking at average holding periods, they're actually similar, you're trading commission income on the way in and on the way out versus, of course, typically a higher management fee during the duration of the ownership period.

We haven't announced prices yet or indeed finalized them, so that is something that we are discussing internally now and we'll come back to the market with pricing, but in our models, it's actually neutral on income.

Jacob Hesslevik

That's very clear. Thank you.

Then finally on capital, in July, you said you would come back on capital returns after Q3 once you had a view on the deposit and AT1 pricing. Your leverage ratio is above the target, you're six percentage points above the risk-weighted requirement.

Why only 250 million in buybacks? Where does the leverage ratio land after you call the AT1 in November?

Thank you.

Rasmus Järborg

The AT1 is part of the answer, but Lennart, take it away.

Lennart Krän

Yes, absolutely. The AT1 is part of the answer.

We will not replace that with a new AT1, and that is why we wanted to be a little bit cautious. The leverage ratio after that one would, at end of September, be 4.2%, and the capacity for further deposits would be 21 billion down to the 3.5% regulatory requirement.

We might come back later on with further buybacks, but as I said, this is within our range of 4.0% to 4.5% in leverage ratio, now we are in the bound. That has been our plan for a long time, and we see how it develops both with deposits and the capital generation.

Jacob Hesslevik

Sounds good. Thank you.

Lennart Krän

Thank you.

Marcus Lindberg

Thanks, Jacob. Next question comes from Oliver Carruthers from Goldman Sachs.

Oliver Carruthers

Morning, both. Thanks for taking my question.

I just have one question on commission-free trading. Notice that to celebrate your 30th anniversary, you're launching, I guess, these two parallel campaigns on commission-free trading, one in particular for your Swedish customers who join basically within a four-month window are getting commission-free trading for the first six months or for the first six months of next year.

Wanted to kind of pick your brains on what are you hoping to learn from this? More broadly, what do you think about this potential industry push towards lower and potentially zero commission-free trading?

Particularly in light of some of your non-Nordic European peers now that we're post-PFOF ban in or PFOF bans coming in Germany, we're kind of seeing a move towards more kind of principal-based models, building out of systematic internalizers and away from, I guess, potentially agency-based models. Just keen to get your thoughts on this, particularly in the context of this, what smells a little bit like a trial in terms of your campaign.

Thank you.

Rasmus Järborg

Thanks, Olly. Good question.

Let me see if I can pick it apart. I wouldn't read across too much from the campaign in Sweden to the future of commission or commission-free trading in Europe.

It was a way to accelerate our customer onboarding in Sweden. It's early days, we haven't yet been able to see if it's giving the effect that we want.

Depending on when you join in this four-month window, as you put it, you will actually get commission-free trading until the 30th of June, it's sort of if you're quicker, you get it for longer. In parallel, we're actually running a campaign in all countries whereby 30 stocks per venue for one week a month will be commission-free.

We started off with top 30 stocks on OMX Stockholm in September, and now moved on to Denmark in October, and then we'll do another market per month just to keep celebrating our 30th anniversary for existing customers. When it comes to the post-PFOF ban Europe, we welcome that ban.

We think that if you're not paying for the product, you are the product, and I think that we like to be transparent with our customers on what they're paying for and why. I think we have a very good product, and we don't mind charging for that, and our customers don't seem to mind paying for it.

At the same time, we need to make sure we have a competitive price level across our products. We don't have to be the cheapest in every single price point, but we do need, of course, to have the customers feel that we're delivering value, they're getting value for the price they're paying.

Price is demonstrably not the main factor. We've seen that historically.

Incumbent banks have lowered their commissions below us and absolutely nothing happened. I think also in Germany in particular, looking at some of the competitors we will face, some have very low pricing or are ex-PFOF players, others have what we would consider to be higher pricing and yet have fantastic volumes.

I think overall, it's the product set and usability and delivering an overall good value is key. We have the scale, we're not really worried about price.

This is a low-margin business, and lower prices only make it harder for new entrants into the markets. I think the world that we operate in is looking more and more at flows, and we ourselves, we've been offering customers the ability to place algorithmic orders across some 30-odd dark pools, including periodic auction markets, and looking at our own stock and where we trade, only 30% of the Nordnet stock volume is on Nasdaq OMX Stockholm.

I think we are very cognizant of that, and we are discussing internally whether we should be working with one of our partners or potentially be developing a systematic internalizer of our own. That is also a market sort of construct discussion that needs to be had within the various industry bodies as well, because if everybody is executing off-exchange but relying on the exchange to set reference prices, then on a long enough timeline, you will have an issue where the reference prices won't be set from the majority of the liquidity.

That's a longer discussion.

Oliver Carruthers

Thanks. That's very clear.

Thanks, Rasmus. Thanks, Olly.

Marcus Lindberg

Thank you, Olly. That was the last question for today.

Thank you all for tuning in. Take care and have a good day.

Bye-bye.

Rasmus Järborg

Thank you, guys. Bye-bye.