Operator
Greetings, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the Home BancShares, Inc.
Second Quarter 2026 Earnings Call. The purpose of this call is to discuss the information and data provided in the quarterly earnings release issued after the market closed yesterday.
The company presenters will begin with prepared remarks, then entertain questions. Please note, if you would like to ask a question during the question-and-answer session, please press * then 1 on a touchtone phone.
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You will find this note on page 3 of their Form 10-K filed with the SEC in February 2026. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode, and this conference is being recorded.
If you need operator assistance during the conference, please press * then 0. It is now my pleasure to turn the call over to Donna Townsell, Director of Investor Relations.
Donna Townsell
Thank you. Good afternoon, and welcome to our second-quarter conference call.
With me for today's discussion is our Chairman, John Allison; Stephen Tipton, Chief Executive Officer of Centennial Bank; Kevin Hester, President and Chief Lending Officer; Brian Davis, our Chief Financial Officer; Chris Poulton, President of CCFG; and Scott Walter of Shore Premier Finance. Home BancShares reported another solid quarter, generating a record net income, as adjusted, of $128 million while significantly expanding our balance sheet and maintaining strong profitability.
Loan growth, stable margins, and improving book value underscoring the strength of our franchise. Most importantly, we accomplished all of this while maintaining strong credit discipline and preserving the profitability that has long differentiated our company.
Our team is prepared to provide you with more details about the quarter, with our opening remarks today coming from our Chairman, John Allison.
John Allison
Thanks, Donna. It's been another quarter come and go.
Second quarter of '26 was sure full of records for the record book. Shared lots of records for the record book, excuse me.
There were a couple of items that I think we should talk about. Number one's our merger with our friends with Mountain Commerce.
It's evident that some of our merger earnings came through a little earlier and a little stronger than we anticipated as we felt some of the earnings impact in the first quarter. We got to like that because this trade was non-dilutive, and therein lies the benefit of a non-dilutive trade.
A successful merger is where the two companies should be creating more value together than either company can achieve separately. In our view, the meaning of that is 1 plus 1 should equal 3, not 1.75.
With our deal being a 3, both groups immediately start sharing the benefits of their union. In this merger, Mountain Commerce and Home Bank shareholders will equally enjoy the ride together.
Perhaps the biggest surprise of the quarter, though, was the surprising loan growth for the legacy footprint. We were forecasting a negative $600 million in loans and actually had a plus $26 million.
That's a $626 million swing on the loan side. As a result, we will no longer forecast next quarter's loan growth.
Obviously, we don't do a very good job of that. The problem is that our customers are really a group of outstanding, loyal entrepreneurs that are constantly looking for opportunities that we only learn about most of the time when they need a funding request.
Many of them do a deal on the spot, commit to do a deal on Monday and say, "We'll close on Thursday with cash." The good news is we know their limits, and they know our limits.
The second-quarter performance speaks for itself. During the quarter, we incurred approximately $12.7 million of merger-related expenses.
Excluding these expenses, the earnings were—and you're going to get to hear it again—EPS of 64 cents and earnings of $128.1 million after tax. That's an 8.4% increase from quarter last quarter, and almost 12% from 6/30 of '25.
In addition, revenue, $295 million, up 10.6% from the prior quarter to two from $266.7 [million?] .
Adjusted pretax pre-provision net revenue reached a company record of $171 million. When you adjust for it, the efficiency ratio, it came out 40.46%.
Good job by both teams, Mountain Commerce and Home BancShares, on the expense side. An adjusted ROA of 2.09%.
Stable margin of 4.51%, same as last quarter, up 6 basis points from 6/30 of '25. I said, good job for it MCB and Home on the expense side.
On an adjusted basis, these performance numbers are some of the best our company has ever run. I want to thank all of our associates for an amazing quarter.
That includes our new partners, Bill Edwards and his outstanding Tennessee team. We've we have completed the conversion of our legacy company in June, and I think it went as smooth and as good as it could be expected.
Now, on to Mountain Commerce. We stepped up stock repurchases during the quarter.
For first quarter, we repurchased 500,000 shares, and this quarter we repurchased 1.5 million. I said our goal was to repurchase over a short period of time the shares that we issued in the Mountain Commerce transaction, and we're already approaching the halfway mark.
On M&A, we're looking at some other opportunities, but with the non-performing loan that we told you about last quarter, our stock took a a drop even though it was a 2% plus ROA, and again repeating as one of the top, most profitable banks in America, in the top 10. We bid on a group We bid on a good opportunity, but because our stock was temporarily depressed and we hold our standards high because we do not dilute our shareholders, our bid was not acceptable to that opportunity.
We hope to revisit that company soon as our stock has recovered. As for the large non-performer, there has been significant movement from last quarter's report, but we stand by our comments that we expect no further loss.
The loan was non-performed and no income was recognized in this quarter for the loan, or this would have even been a stronger quarter. While work remains, we're encouraged by the progress that has been done this quarter.
I have to say here that Kevin Hester, David Carter, and Mike Cook I want to thank special thanks to them. They've spent a lot of time on this non-performer.
They took the bull by the horns and protected the shareholders of Home BancShares, and thank you, guys, for a great job. That's a solid testament to the quality, commitment, standards of our people.
Mike Cook now taking over the leadership a while back took over the leadership of the Dallas region. That region now reflects the credit culture of Home's operating and underwriting standards.
It's certainly nice to have those loan problems for the most part behind us now, but there is some work to be done. However, we think we see the light at the end of the tunnel.
In an environment where industry loan growth remains challenging, exceptional loan growth should always be examined carefully. Growth generally comes from a combination of pricing, structure, terms, or credit standards.
When there is robust, standout, extraordinary loan growth in an environment that does not support that kind of loan growth, one should look closely at the rate, structure, and terms. It's extremely important that your term team, from the top down to the junior lender, must have lending experience, and not only lending experience, but quality lending experience with skin in the game.
At Home, that starts with me at the top as an asset quality hawk who's spending my sixth decade in the lending process. We believe in quality lending.
I have been involved in over 50 M&A deals. Happy was certainly the most difficult.
Even with all the problems associated with that acquisition, we have worked our way through those problems with a good partnership of Happy and Home employees together. We opened a new branch in Rockwall, Texas, led by Kane Pierce.
We're excited about that. Glad to be in Rockwall.
This is a new branch, not a replacement. New events included hiring our first in-house counsel, Mr.
Jeff Campbell, who will fill the role of Corporate Counsel. We want to welcome Jeff to the family and look forward to working with him.
Donna, I just want to make a quick recap of the quarter, if you'll allow me to do that. I want to leave this with the investment community: record adjusted income, record revenue, loan growth from a negative $600 [million?]
and a $626 million swing, stepped-up repurchases from 500,000 to 1.5 million, PP&R a record $171 million, an adjusted efficiency ratio of 40.46, stable margin of 4.51, and Mountain Commerce already being a contributor sooner than expected, that has gone well. Continued confidence in Home's credit culture.
When you when you look at the adjusted earnings, the profitability metrics, the efficiency ratio, the stable margin, elevated share repurchases, and strong balance sheet growth, I believe Home's second quarter, once again, produced one of the strongest banking performances in America. Your Honor, I rest my case.
Back to you, Ms. Donna.
Okay.
Donna Townsell
Thank you, John. It was another amazing quarter.
Our next report will come from Stephen Tipton.
Stephen Tipton
Thanks, Donna. As Johnny mentioned, the second quarter of 2026 was a strong showing with the inclusion of Mountain Commerce Bank in Tennessee and a little organic loan growth from legacy Centennial Bank.
Adjusted earnings, particularly excluding merger expenses, were $128.1 million, producing a 2.09% return on assets, the same as last quarter, and a 16.82% return on tangible common equity, which is on a TCE ratio of 13.22%. The reported net interest margin was 4.51%, in line with Q1, all while adding $1.5 billion in loans and deposits from Tennessee.
The core margin, excluding event income, was 4.47% and in line with where we guided to on the call in April. The overall loan yield, excluding event income, averaged 6.96% and exited the quarter at 6.99%, while interest-bearing deposit costs averaged 2.38% and exited the quarter the same at 2.38%.
Total deposit costs were 1.85% in Q2 and exited the quarter at 1.84%. Strong non-interest income was a highlight for the quarter at over $53 million.
Higher loan recovery income, fee income at CCFG, and increases from our SBIC investments were the primary drivers and got us back to levels we saw in quarters 2, 3, and 4 of 2025. Switching to the balance sheet, legacy deposit balances declined in Q2 by $179 million as a result of tax payments and seasonal outflow in April.
Worth noting, deposit balances increased by $86 million in May and over $200 million in June to end the quarter at $19.1 billion. Loan production rebounded in the second quarter to just over $1.4 billion, with nearly $1 billion of that production coming from the community bank footprint.
Switching to capital, we repurchased 1.5 million shares of stock during the quarter for a total of $40.4 million. As of June 30th, we have over 15 million shares remaining available for repurchase under our current authorization and nearly $450 million in cash at the parent company.
Tangible book value per share grew 45 cents to $15.32, or an annualized increase of 12.1%. Capital levels remain extremely strong, with common equity tier 1 capital ending at 16.4% and total risk-based capital at 19%, and reserves to total loans of 1.92%.
We're proud of the second-quarter results here at Home, particularly with the inclusion of our partners at Mountain Commerce, and look forward to the second half of 2026. With that said, I'll turn it back over to you, Donna.
Donna Townsell
Thank you, Stephen. To close out our prepared remarks, Kevin Hester has the lending report.
Kevin Hester
Thanks, Donna. As Johnny noted, we found a way to post marginal organic growth in loans in the second quarter, which looked very difficult when we talked 90 days ago.
This included flipping what was an anticipated large payoff early in the quarter into a hold with even a slight increase, which put us on a good path for the rest of the quarter. In last quarter's remarks, I mentioned that Q3 payoffs appeared high as well, and that is still the case.
In fact, the gap is higher now than it was 90 days ago. John joked about us not being very good at forecasting, and we discussed on the last call some of the reasons why early projections can be skewed toward declines.
That said, we have work to do in order to post loan growth in this quarter. Regarding Johnny's comments about loan growth in general, we're seeing loan rates from the competitors creep lower and lower, while probabilities for the next Fed interest rate move are up rather than down.
We will continue to maximize loan opportunities while trying to protect our strong NIM so that we can continue to post best-in-class profitability. Asset quality remains solid, with an 8 basis point drop in non-performing loans and a 4 basis point drop in non-performing assets.
Early-stage past dues remained under 50 basis points, and loan loss reserve coverage of non-performing loans improved to 177%. As others have said, we began the quarter with the Mountain Commerce Bank acquisition, and from a lending perspective, the combination has gone very smoothly.
The similarity of their markets and their lending philosophy to ours will result in a shorter learning curve and earlier meaningful contribution. On that note, Donna, I'll send it back to you.
Donna Townsell
Thank you, Kevin. John, unless you have additional comments, I think we're ready for Q&A.
John Allison
I do want to talk about loans a little bit. On Wednesday's loan committee, we approved about $350 million worth of loans.
That's primarily the hits coming from our South Florida group that really have a lot of things going on. Our JC and David and their teams are doing an outstanding job in Florida.
There's $350 million worth that just hit. I knew those were coming.
I didn't know they were coming this quarter. One of them we've been working on for several years, and it's going to be the best and most fabulous project ever built in Miami, Florida.
We're excited about being in that loop with that team of people, and it's a fantastic facility that's being constructed, and it is one of our customers. They said the second half is going to bring even more.
That's pretty exciting from that aspect. Some of this is construction, they put their money in first, but it is loan growth that's coming down the pike for us before long.
Anyway, you never know from one day to the other. As I said, our FBO guy bought another FBO.
Bing! We didn't know he was on that transaction.
Kevin just visited with another one, and so anyway, we're working on it. As I said, it's like catching a greased pig in the ditch.
You think you've got him, and he gets away from you. Maybe we'll catch him this quarter.
That's all I've got to say, Donna. I'm ready for Q&A if the rest of you.
Donna Townsell
Okay. Operator, we'll turn it back over to you.
Operator
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Your first question comes from the line of Jon Arfstrom with RBC Capital Markets. Your line is now open.
Please go ahead.
Jon Arfstrom
Hi, thanks. Good afternoon.
John Allison
Good afternoon, Jon.
Jon Arfstrom
You guys just gave us a bunch of information on loan growth or not loan growth, I'm a little bit confused on it. What does your gut tell you today on it?
Kevin, you talked about maybe more paydowns expected in Q3 than you'd expected in Q2. Maybe the indication is down.
Then, John, you're talking about a bigger pipeline. I know you said it's hard to predict, but what does your gut tell you for loan balances in the near term?
John Allison
We have probably more going on in the Florida market right now than we've ever had going on in that market. It is quite explosive.
We have been working on some of the projects. We had basically billions of dollars worth of opportunities that are going to come our way.
It may be the next 60 days, it may be 6 months, but they're coming. Those projects are coming from our long-term customers in that market.
It's just hard to tell when they pull the trigger. Overall, I'm pretty optimistic.
We were going to be down $600 million. We ended up moving up $26 million, and that happened just all of a sudden.
It came in, and it's kind of surprising. We're not very good at projecting future loan growth.
Seems like when I say we're going to have it, we don't. When we say we're not going to have it, we do.
I think to keep it at where it is, I think we've got to work hard, but I don't think there's a problem with that. We had our lenders conference in Florida recently, and I told the group, I said we're projected to be down X number of dollars, and I need you all to step up.
I don't know if they just reached in their pocket, brought some stuff that they were going to bring next quarter in, but it all came in pretty fast, pretty quick, including a $100 million piece of credit, another $40 million piece of credit, some really good customer credit. We don't sacrifice quality and margin for loan growth.
We're not going to do that, and we didn't in this cycle. Kevin, you've got a comment?
Kevin Hester
No, it's all fair. Payoffs are where they are, and we outran them this quarter, and we'll continue to try to do that.
Will that happen every quarter? We don't know until it happens.
Yep.
John Allison
The answer is, you're confused. [crosstalk] Still confused, right?
We did our job. Yeah.
Yep. Yep.
Jon Arfstrom
Yep. I'll probably hold it flat in the model.
That's my guess. Chris Poulton, I think last quarter he also talked about maybe some paydowns in Q2 and Q3.
Those balances were a little bit lower. Any help on what you're seeing in the pipeline there and kind of expectations for activity in your business?
Chris Poulton
Sure, Jon. It's Chris.
We did get the paydowns this quarter that we had anticipated, and yet we were still kind of flat, which means we had good production. I think we've originated $800 million, $900 million so far this year.
I think that still looks pretty good for us as we continue. That's a pretty good run rate for us.
I think like John said, we work on some things, they go away. Sometimes we let them go away, and sometimes they come back.
We're seeing a number of things come back our way. We say, if you love somebody, set them free.
We let them go, and test off the market, and come back, and sometimes we can work a transaction out. I'll be making a West Coast swing, I think, next week and have a whole bunch of things lined up that are things we probably worked on several months ago that now they want to sit down and talk.
I feel good about there being opportunities out there. Like John said, will they come in in the next couple of weeks or the next couple of months?
I think we'll see. I don't see anything different now than I did before about our opportunity to be able to get transactions that are on our terms.
If we're patient. I just think it's always about being patient here.
It's hard to predict loan growth when your goal isn't loan growth.
Jon Arfstrom
Yep. Okay.
All right, I'll step back. Thanks, guys.
Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Brett Rabatin with StoneX Group. Your line is now open.
Please go ahead.
Brett Rabatin
Hey, guys. Good afternoon.
John Allison
Hey, Brett.
Brett Rabatin
Hey. Wanted to start on the margin.
Everyone's concerned about competition and funding costs moving higher, but it sounds like you're being able to grow core deposits. Wanted to see if all of those were sticky.
Then just if you can hold the loan yields and not see too much matriculation on the deposit side, would seem like the margin, at least on a core basis, could hold up pretty well. Wanted to get some additional color on how you guys see things playing out.
Then, obviously, you've typically been a little bit asset sensitive. If we get a rate hike, what does that mean for you?
Stephen Tipton
Hey, Brett. It's Stephen.
I can take the last first. Our ALCO model shows almost a 6% increase in an up 100 basis point environment.
If the Fed did move quarter or half, I think it's a net positive for us. On the deposit side, our folks have done a great job in negotiating rates on money markets and CDs.
We're seeing competition in the 4% plus range, and I think most recently, half of our CD maturities automatically renewed at our lower rates, and the other half they negotiated in about the 3.5% range. They've done a good job there working relationships to keep what we have.
Then, through loan committees and our presidents have folks out pushing opportunities for deposit growth, just as on the loan side. At 4.51% reported and 4.47% without event income, I think we can keep it in that range.
We would be pleased.
Brett Rabatin
Okay. That's helpful.
Then you had really strong growth in fees, particularly service fees, trust, and mortgage. Were any of those, do you think, impacted by any seasonal factors?
Or can those levels be sustained? Any thoughts on just if the outlook there is for growth, or if maybe those numbers were a little bit high for 2Q?
Stephen Tipton
Hey, Brett. It's Stephen again.
Yeah. As I mentioned in my comments, there were a handful of items that were up in Q2 from Q1.
I think on the call last quarter, we talked about non-interest income was about as low as it could be at $44 million adjusted for the marketable securities, where we're about 52.5, 53 adjusted for that this quarter. Some of that's wealth management, like you said, trust, financial services.
Our alignment with Ameriprise, they're kind of hitting their stride, and both of those areas are doing well, some of that should continue. The loan recoveries, some of Chris's fee income at CCFG that comes when payoffs are a little higher, some of that's going to bounce around.
I think our view is if you look at the last five quarters, it averages about $50 million over the past five quarters, and that's kind of where we would expect things to be over the long term.
John Allison
Last quarter was kind of First quarter was kind of an anomaly. We we normally have much more income there.
We just didn't We didn't get it. We didn't get the We didn't get the kick that we normally get.
That happens maybe one quarter out of out of four annually, or and sometimes sometimes not. That was just revenue was down as a result of that.
We didn't We didn't get We got no kick. It was just nothing.
But 50 is a good number, somewhere in that number. That That's give or take 50.
Brett Rabatin
Okay. Great.
Appreciate the color. Congrats on the quarter.
John Allison
Thank you.
Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Michael Rose with Raymond James. Your line is now open.
Please go ahead.
Michael Rose
Hey, good afternoon, guys. Thanks for taking my questions.
John, just as it relates to Mountain Commerce, you said that, I think in the press release too, that it's contributing earlier and stronger than what you expected. Can you just give some greater color there on what you mean, maybe just in terms of expense savings, revenue synergies, or just any other color broadly you have on what would qualify that statement from your view?
Thanks.
John Allison
As we're going through the quarters, first month, second month, and third month together, I could feel the income by looking at the income statement that we were getting extra income from somewhere, and it had to be coming from there, basically. Some of it was improvement at Home, but a lot of it was coming from them.
I really didn't expect that. I guess I was shocked by the fact I didn't expect that kick that quick.
We convert in November, and that's about a $5.5 million, $6 million savings to the company that we will pick up at that point in time. I just wasn't prepared for it that quick, and I saw the numbers, the revenue numbers and all of it coming together and just was extremely pleased with what I was seeing on the daily reports.
If you remember, we get a daily P&L statement here, and you begin to see it, and you think, "Where'd that come from, and how'd that happen?" It was just all positive.
That's basically it, Michael. I felt it over the quarter, day by day, as we operate.
No,
Michael Rose
certainly appreciate that color. It's obviously a good deal for you guys.
Maybe just going back to loan growth. I know we've already kind of talked about it a fair amount, but you do have pretty good momentum here, as you mentioned, $350 million in recently approved loans.
I guess do you think with Mountain Commerce in the fold and maybe some bridging into some higher-growth economies, now that Dallas is back in a bigger way and what's going on in Texas, could we think about structurally better loan growth from Home than we've seen in recent years? Or is just the competitive environment, particularly given that some of those markets are more competition, just going to be harder?
John Allison
I can agree with that that we could have better loan growth. I don't want to talk about what other people are doing because it sound like I'm throwing stones, but we're seeing some ridiculous stuff being done by some people in the marketplace.
It's just really frustrating. We're not going to do that.
We got tons of capital. It's a powerful earnings machine, and we're going to continue to do what's right, and we're not going to get off into chasing rainbows.
We've never done that. We're not going to start doing it now.
We're seeing structure and terms that they're just ridiculous. We're seeing that.
We're not going to do that. We're going to continue to, as I said, keep the quality, the margin, and stability.
Oh, we're going to cross that over loan growth. Could we get Anybody can get loan growth.
Hell, there's nothing to loan growth. You can get all you want.
Give it away, change the terms and the structure, and you can load the wagon. You can just absolutely load the wagon.
That doesn't mean that it's going long term be good. You can look at the asset quality of Home over the past since we've been public, basically, and look at the quality of what we produce.
We'll continue to do that. We're not going to change.
We're not going to run off in the sunset. I got people pushing me to lower our standards and go do that, and they can do that after I'm gone, after I retire and go to the house.
They can do that, but they're not going to do it while I'm here. I don't plan on going to the house soon, so.
What was the drink we had here before with Michael,
Donna Townsell
the Slushies or Slurpees?
John Allison
Slurpees. The quarter was so good, I told him before, I said, "You should have had Slurpees this quarter with Michael.
You should have bought us Slurpees." Anyway, I won't do that.
Michael Rose
I'll line it up for you next quarter. How about that?
John Allison
That'd be great. All right.
Go ahead.
Michael Rose
Yep. Just one follow-up on that.
Just in the absence of loan growth, just assuming that the competition does remain intense here in the near term, how should we think about the pace of buybacks? Is kind of what you did this quarter what we should kind of contemplate, or is there room to maybe even move that higher, just given what's out there and how profitable you guys are?
John Allison
We do what we say we're going to do, and we said we're going to buy back the number of shares that we issued in Mountain Commerce. We'll look for opportunities.
They gave us a great opportunity last quarter. That's when we stepped up and bought a bunch because they took us down and gave us I think our average is $25 bucks or something, Stephen?
Stephen Tipton
Yep. 25, 26.
John Allison
26. That was a great opportunity for us.
If, in fact, we get an opportunity, we'll be extremely aggressive. It is our intention to buy that back because it is our intention to do another M&A deal on the heels of Mountain Commerce.
Michael Rose
All right. Makes sense.
I'll step back. Thanks, guys.
John Allison
Thank you. Appreciate it.
Operator
Your next call comes from the line of Stephen Scouten with Piper Sandler. Your line is now open.
Please go ahead.
John Allison
Oh,
Stephen Scouten
can you guys hear me? Sorry about that.
John Allison
Yeah.
Stephen Scouten
Appreciate it, guys. I'm curious just following up on those M&A comments, John, kind of what you guys are what you're seeing in the market right now, kind of with bank stocks up kind of across the board, if that's making the conversations more palatable or if sellers' expectations just continue to go higher because the group trades up?
Just kind of wondering how those dynamics are playing out in the conversations you're having.
John Allison
What do they say? Rising tide raises all ships.
We're seeing that in the marketplace right now with it's pretty good space. Bank space is a pretty good place to be.
The last deal, when our stock was down and we bid on, and I understand they wanted a better trade, had they taken that, they'd be up 25% today. It's all the same.
It's how many of their shares for our shares and what that trade means. We're not seeing a lot of M&A out there right now.
People are looking at their balance sheet, and they're thinking about is this a diluted transaction. We're not seeing a lot of that, and we're certainly not going to do that.
I'm having people say, "Well, John, with your currency right now, you could go buy this, that, and this and that if you just take a little dilution." We don't dilute.
That's what the world would like for us to do, and then they can say, "Well, hell, they diluted that last deal." Anyway, we don't do that.
We'll continue to do what we're doing. I think there's opportunities out there in the marketplace, but the deals either work or they don't work, as I've said in the past.
They're either accretive, accretive, accretive, or our stock's back up close to two times tangible book now, so that gives us the ability to move up and make somebody happy if they want a better price. You trade with somebody last month and they get the stock and it's up, I don't know, 30% since then.
It just depends. Timing means so much, as you know.
Timing is the key to where their stock is, where our stock is, and if it works or it doesn't work. We'll just hold tight.
It's worked for this company for the last 25 years to hold tight on underwriting and hold tight on acquisitions and do the right thing. I think we could see a stock market turnaround here before too long.
Things are not as strong as they have been, but I don't think it'll be bank stocks. I don't think it'll be Home.
I kind of went around the horn there, but I don't know if I answered anything that you asked, or not, so. Yeah.
No, that's
Stephen Scouten
yeah, that's helpful context, for sure. I appreciate that.
Kind of maybe thinking about expenses for a minute. I feel like last year and into the beginning of this year, you were kind of pegging around a 113, $114 million a quarter kind of range that you were hoping to hold everyone to.
What's kind of the number in your mind today, John, of where you like expenses to stabilize and what you guys think you can achieve there?
John Allison
I think yeah somewhere in that range is fair. We got what did we have?
$12 million? What did we come out with?
Stephen Tipton
12.7. If you take the 12.7 out, it's about 122.7, which I think is kind of last quarter where we said, with Mountain Commerce, their current expense run rate, where we would land.
Then, once we get converted in November, we'll begin to or we will get a good portion of those cost savings out at that time. We'll see a little benefit from that in Q4 and then, obviously, all of that next year.
We
John Allison
think about how efficient Home operated, and then you add Mountain Commerce, how efficient Bill operated his group, and then we're getting some income, and we should get some additional savings coming up here pretty quick. I'm optimistic we can hang in that range, in the 120.
That's
Stephen Tipton
fair. Got it.
That's great. Then
Stephen Scouten
maybe just one last clarifying question back on the previous conversation around loan growth and payoffs and whatnot. I think on last quarter's call, you guys had talked about thinking there could be maybe $1 billion in payoffs.
Kind of curious where you actually ended up seeing that number come in, if it was sounds like maybe it was slightly better than what you were projecting there. Then as you think about third quarter and beyond, if it's north of that $1 billion a quarter number or just kind of framing that payoff dynamic conversation up a little bit?
Kevin Hester
Hey, this is Kevin. Last quarter's number was $1 billion, a little bit over $1 billion.
This quarter could be there. It's a little early, but it's there.
It can be scheduled for that.
Stephen Scouten
Okay. That magnitude's kind of the same, and then if you're doing $1.4 [billion] in production, it just kind of depends on how it all funds up and the timing of everything of when and if you can see loan growth.
Is that the right way to think about it, Kevin? I think
John Allison
that's exactly the way. This is the toughest time in the bank space.
As rates are going down or going up, it's better for us if they go up. When they start down, when the rates start down, then people try to jump ahead of a loan rate and go in and cut the rate 0.5% or so and cut a deal with somebody and tie it up.
That's this is the toughest. Going up is a lot easier than going down.
This is a battle. You take one customer at a time and you fight the battle, and this is the in our history, third or fourth time we've fought that battle, and we'll continue to fight the battle this time.
It's not necessarily all rate. The structure of some of these deals and the loan-to-cost and loan or loan-to-value ratios have kind of gone out of whack.
It reminds me of around late 2000 2004, 2005, '04, '05 when people are doing stupid stuff. We're seeing some of that in the marketplace, and that'll come home to haunt people, I believe.
We're just not going to play the game. We don't have to.
We got a good machine. It's generating really good, solid income, and the difference between a record month and not a record month is how much risk we want to take, and we're not big risk-takers.
Stephen Scouten
Yep, makes sense. That's really helpful color, and congrats on another great quarter.
Appreciate it, everyone.
John Allison
Hey, thank you very much. We appreciate it.
Operator
Your next call comes from the line of Matt Olney with Stephens. Your line is now open.
Please go ahead.
Matt Olney
Hey, thanks, guys. I guess going back to the discussion around the competition for loans, Kevin, I think you mentioned pricing is getting tighter.
Any more numbers you can put behind this in the market? Then for Home Bank, any color on just the production yields you guys have seen more recently?
Kevin Hester
I'll let Stephen cover the yields. We were talking about those before the meeting.
I think he's got those written down. I'll let him cover those, but we are seeing some things in the 5s, the high 5s, the mid-5s.
As John said, it's not just rate. It is rate and structure in the same deals.
You can kind of get by with giving rate or you can give a little structure, you get your rate and get your risk covered. We're seeing it both ways, and that's the challenge, is that when you give rate and structure away, as John said, it's easy to grow if you're willing to do that.
That's simple. Anybody can do that.
Stephen Tipton
Matt, this is Stephen. We were at about 6 and 3/4, 6.75%, 6.76% on production in the second quarter.
Matt Olney
Okay. Great.
Thanks for that. Then I guess maybe similar question Chris Poulton, I know your borrowing base is very unique and differs a lot from what Kevin was talking about, but curious what you're seeing on the competitive side as far as pricing and structure as well?
Sure.
Chris Poulton
We don't see much on structure because I think the deals tend to be a little bit more bespoke, and so we see price. Over the last couple years, we've seen price probably come down, 50 basis points or so overall, I think in the market.
Sometimes it comes down a little more. We see price, I would say, a lot more in two areas: one, construction.
Every once in a while, you get folks step in and just get really aggressive on construction. Again, not necessarily on a lot higher leverage and on recourse side, but you do see every once in a while, somebody'll step up and get pretty aggressive on price for a few months, and they generally do that and then they fill up and they go away for a little while.
Then on the facilities side as well. I think that's where we've probably seen most of the structure piece, where I think folks that are getting into that facilities space might underestimate how much structure they're going to need.
Otherwise, I think it's just the normal kind of thing where every once in a while somebody's got to put some money out and it'll burn a hole in their pocket and they get aggressive.
Matt Olney
Yeah. Okay.
All right, guys. That's all for me.
Thank you for the color.
John Allison
Thanks, Matt.
Operator
Your next call comes from the line of Brian Martin with Breen Capital. Your line is now open.
Please go ahead.
Brian Martin
Hey, good afternoon, everyone.
John Allison
Good afternoon to you.
Brian Martin
Hey, good. Thanks, John.
Maybe just one last one on the expenses, Stephen. I think you talked about the conversion in November and kind of the pace kind of holding where it's at today.
If we think about '27, and you get the savings post conversion, is it best to look at that run rate where you're ending the year similar to what it'll look like going into '27? Or given that you've got inflation obviously, but you're going to get the savings coming out in the fourth quarter.
Maybe not much change in the run rate from 4Q heading into 1Q? Is that a fair way to think about it, or is that not the right way?
Stephen Tipton
No, I think that's fine. Again, the benefit, call it $0.5 million a month, give or take, post-conversion with MCB.
Bill's done a great job, Bill and Kevin both, and have seen some cost-saving opportunities along the way already. The bulk of that comes out November, December, and then we'll have our typical kind of beginning of the year merit raises and those kinds of things that that'll help offset.
Gotcha.
Brian Martin
Okay. Just remind me the savings you expect from the from the transaction in terms of, I guess what dollars or I guess how would you frame up the, the savings you're anticipating coming from the from Mountain Commerce?
Stephen Tipton
We've modeled 20%, which was about $5.5 million annually.
Brian Martin
Okay. The bulk of that comes in the fourth quarter, or post fourth quarter?
Stephen Tipton
Correct.
Brian Martin
Correct. Okay.
Gotcha. Thanks, Stephen.
Then maybe, John, just on the M&A, it sounded like there was a trade you guys were on. Now you're off it.
Maybe come back to it. Just in terms of kind of your comments about the conversations maybe being a little bit less today, sounds like not putting words in your mouth, maybe there's nothing imminent, but discussions are ongoing.
Maybe if that's accurate, you can confirm that. Then just in terms of sizing or geography, kind of any change in terms of where the interest is?
John Allison
I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to do sizing or geography, but I like the people and I like the company and I like their geography.
I'm going to go back and revisit that. I've sent them the information for the call and I actually called them afterwards.
I said, "I couldn't get there because I would have diluted myself because they had my stock down to what, 170 or something, Stephen? Some number."
I said, "It wouldn't work for me." He said, "Well, that didn't work for us."
I said, "I understand." We're going to go back and revisit that if they're interested, and see if we can put something together that makes some sense.
It's another nice trade, it appears to me, and good little bank and similar to Mountain Commerce to me, in lots of respects. Not the same geographic area, but.
Yeah.
Brian Martin
I got you.
John Allison
Where they operate their business. They're just good operators that run a good number.
Yeah. Okay.
Brian Martin
That's helpful. Then maybe just one on non-performings or just credit quality.
I know you mentioned some improvement there, all the hard work that Kevin and the team had done. Can you just frame up kind of the outlook of how you're thinking about the pace of NPAs and charge-offs?
Maybe just the pace of NPAs, or just how you see some of the improvement unfolding here in the next 12 months or 6 to 12 months, however you want to frame it up, just to see a path of improvement?
John Allison
I don't see any difference. We stand by what we said before.
There's no more on the large one. There's no loss coming.
We're not going to take any loss. We stand by that.
Outside of that, we cleaned up a little stuff this quarter, and we just continue to peck at it a little bit if there's one or two that stick their head up. We're mostly through that.
I'm not looking for anything any different on the charge-offs. Maybe better.
Maybe better from here on than what it has been. It's where it is or a little better.
There's nothing coming that anybody's concerned about. We've had
Brian Martin
Okay. On that large
John Allison
It's good. It's actually good, Brian.
Brian Martin
Okay. Just in terms of how much improvement in non-performings, given kind of the lifting you've already done, what could we see over the next 6 to 12 months?
Could we see a significant decline in non-performings, or is it more of a slow grind, I guess however you'd frame it up?
John Allison
That's really up to the other side of the fence sometimes. We can see that, but we're not walking away.
We expect to collect everything that we have out there. We're not going to accept anything different.
Brian Martin
Okay. Remind me
John Allison
I really don't see any changes. It may get better from here, quite honestly, the charge-offs.
We had, I don't know, $5 million this quarter, Kevin? How
Kevin Hester
much did we have? It's closer to six, but we had almost 3 million of that was specific reserves on loans that we charged off.
We had matched up to specifics. If you take that out, then it was really just a normal quarter.
John Allison
It's really a marked improvement in asset quality here. You should have no concerns about asset quality.
Brian Martin
Okay. Remind me the size of the largest credit that you talked about last quarter.
Where does that stand today, or what level is that at?
John Allison
It's where it was. It's a little less than $100 million.
It's still where it was,
Brian Martin
but
John Allison
that's one that we have seen some movement on, and if reasonable heads stay together, we'll wrap that up. If they don't, then we'll fight the battle.
There you go.
Brian Martin
Gotcha. Okay.
Last one for me, sorry, was the just on the margin, Stephen. Can you just frame up like I know you said that your your hope is to see the margin, stay maintain it's, kind of current core level, if you will.
Just the the puts and takes, what could take that, better or worse? Then just maybe the opportunities you have on the MC the Mountain Commerce book in terms of loans and deposits, where there's opportunities to pick up there?
Stephen Tipton
There's certainly opportunity on the deposit side in Tennessee. They've got about $300 million in CDs that mature in the second half of the year that we should get some marked improvement on yield there or potential that some will roll off.
As we've always said, I would say competition probably is the biggest threat, particularly on the deposit side. We've got $1.25 billion in CDs that mature in the second half of this year that's in the mid-3s.
Like I said earlier, we've done a good job and then kind of at or below that range on where we've renewed. Competition forces that higher, that's probably your risk.
Our folks have done a great job, and expect that to continue.
Brian Martin
Okay. Not much pressure on the asset side, I guess.
You talked about the loan yields and kind of what you're seeing in the market. Maybe it's just you're not going to push forward with some of those loans at those rates, it sounds like?
Stephen Tipton
That's right.
Brian Martin
Yeah. Okay.
All right. I think that's it for me, guys.
Thanks, and congrats on a great quarter.
John Allison
Thank you very much.
Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Catherine Mealor with KBW. Your line is now open.
Please go ahead.
Catherine Mealor
Thanks. Good afternoon, everyone.
John Allison
Afternoon, Catherine.
Catherine Mealor
A few last questions, just a nit-nitty model questions. Maybe first on fees.
Fees were a big beat relative to our expectations, and I think you mentioned there was a BOLI gain and higher SBIC investment income. Can you quantify maybe how much that increase was in SBIC, and how we should think about a normalized run rate going into next quarter?
John Allison
That increase was about $2.4 million for those equity investments that we have.
Catherine Mealor
Great. Then anything else in the fee line that you felt like was artificially elevated?
Brian Davis
We did have our purchase accounting accretion go up $2.5 million, and $1.5 million of that was just related to Mountain Commerce. The rest of it has been from older stuff paying off.
Catherine Mealor
Got it. Okay.
Do you think that PAA comes down from the $3.6 million?
Brian Davis
If the payoffs stop. Mountain Commerce will be the same next quarter, I guess, as it was this quarter.
If we get the payoffs, that's the key. About $900,000 that was early payoffs on loans that we generate the income,
Stephen Tipton
so. Those happen periodically, and they might happen next quarter, too.
John Allison
You never know, call me. Usually, there's always something paying off,
Catherine Mealor
so. No, but that's helpful.
Just that about $900,000 of it was from early payoff, not just your scheduled PAA accretion.
Brian Davis
Correct.
Catherine Mealor
Okay. That's great.
That's helpful. Great.
That's all I got. Everything else was asked and answered.
Thanks. Great quarter.
John Allison
Thank you very much. It was a great quarter for us.
Thank you.
Operator
We have reached the end of the Q&A session. I will now turn the call back to Mr.
Allison for closing remarks.
John Allison
Thanks, everyone, for your participation today. Thanks for supporting Home BancShares.
We work at it. Even though we had a 2% ROA and one of the top 10 in the nation in the first quarter, we felt like we didn't do a very good job.
We work hard at it, and we'll continue to work hard at it, as you know. Hopefully things will settle down in the marketplace, and we'll have more loans and generate more income.
That's our game, is to continue to grow the company over a period of time through both organic growth and M&A, and we hope to be able to tell you about another deal before long. Thanks, everyone.
We look forward to visiting with you in the future.
Operator
This concludes today's call. Thank you for attending.
You may now disconnect.